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dave_j Mar 4th 2020 5:48 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12815772)
Doesn't appear its the test itself is being charged, according to your link anyhow, the charges are coming from doctors, hospitals, ambulances and such.
"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is not billing patients for coronavirus testing"

Good to hear that, but the poor testee is still out of pocket at the moment.
You can imagine a situation where if the government says "We'll foot all the bills" then the health juggernaut will swing into action and drag anyone, in fact as many as they can find, off the street for a quick test, after all that's where the profit is.
As much as I don't like the sick being targetted for profit, this would at least give us a more representative idea of how many cases are actually out there.

spouse of scouse Mar 4th 2020 10:43 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Your daily 'we've all gone mad' moment, this time from Perth, Australia. You can't get a loo roll anywhere. They're all gone. I'm sorry I stopped buying newspapers now :blink:

Danny B Mar 4th 2020 2:56 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...e26cd87854.png
Trust the UK media (Telegraph) to scare their readers by posting a photo of what looks like is from China.

spouse of scouse Mar 4th 2020 3:00 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12815978)
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...e26cd87854.png
Trust the UK media (Telegraph) to scare their readers by posting a photo of what looks like is from China.

I saw that pic on the BBC, it was with a story about Italy but who knows where it was taken.

BristolUK Mar 4th 2020 3:49 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12815978)
Trust the UK media (Telegraph) to scare their readers by posting a photo of what looks like is from China.


Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 12815982)
I saw that pic on the BBC, it was with a story about Italy but who knows where it was taken.

I just did search by image and apparently it's South Korea. :nod:

dave_j Mar 4th 2020 4:23 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12816012)
I just did search by image and apparently it's South Korea. :nod:

"Aaahhhh...Mee thinkee flakee nooose den"

Danny B Mar 4th 2020 5:47 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Looks like they listened to our feedback and changed the image to one of the UK.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...088dfa7443.jpg

Danny B Mar 4th 2020 5:58 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Coronavirus panic: Why are people stockpiling toilet paper?

FOMO syndrome - or Fear Of Missing Out
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51731422

scrubbedexpat091 Mar 4th 2020 8:12 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
US congress has agreed on a funding deal for dealing with Corona Virus, $8 billion being allocated.
  • More than $3 billion dedicated to the research and development of vaccines, as well as therapeutics and diagnostics;
  • $2.2 billion in public health funding to aid in prevention, preparedness and response efforts — including $950 million to support state and local agencies;
  • Nearly $1 billion to go toward medical supplies, health-care preparedness, Community Health Centers and medical surge capacity, and
  • $1.25 billion to address the coronavirus overseas.
The bill apparently also provides funding for $7 billion in small business loans for small business being affected and have also apparently set aside $300 million dollars so if a vaccine is developed anyone who wants it will be able to get it regardless of their ability to pay.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/04/lawm...s-funding.html

United Airlines is seeing significant enough reduction in travel, they are now cutting 20% of their international flights and 10% of their domestic and parking some aircraft.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/04/unit...-outbreak.html




scrubbedexpat091 Mar 4th 2020 9:59 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Article about precarious workers, lack of sick leave a reason some wont likely report their symptoms.

If this spread we could see a fair number lose their housing.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ium%3Dsharebar

Zoe Bell Mar 4th 2020 11:54 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Well despite all the scaremongering. We still got 23000 attendees

scrubbedexpat091 Mar 5th 2020 12:50 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
New confirmed case in BC, a women in her 80's who has a travel history to India and Hong Kong, she was showing no symptoms during her travel period. She is in critical condition in the ICU at VGH.

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/03...ases-virus-bc/

One virtual care clinic in Washington is waiving their usual $25 charge for anyone with symptoms, good effort I suppose, but doubt a virtual clinic can do much.


Seattle and King County health officials are asking companies to have as many employees who can work from home do so. Also recommending those over 60, pregnant, or have other health issues that can weaken the immune system to stay home as much as possible, and avoid large gatherings over 10 people.

The governor has stated if medical evidence shows cancelling large events will slow the spread of the virus, he will use his powers to force cancellation of large events, but as of now will only do so if advised by health officials it is in the best interest of the public to do so.



Nand Mar 5th 2020 1:23 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
King county has a sensible and stable government from what you wrote.

I got the idea that the bbc is just making things up, misquoting, cherry picking information and maybe leaving important facts out. I hope that is the case, otherwise things seem a little like a chaos in uk.


French people seem casual as usual. Its hard for me to tell that they are worried, I'd say not so much.

We will see whether heavy quarentines and lock downs in China work better vs the more open policy of France in the long run.
Which is the more affective strategy for a pandemic threat?

More will be revealed in the near future.

bats Mar 5th 2020 2:18 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12812375)
As, funnily enough, is SARS (Severe acute respiratory syndrome) - it's even in plain English, not a fancy Latin word. :)

patronising much?

https://www.hopkinsguides.com/hopkin...9__SARS_2_CoV_

scrubbedexpat091 Mar 5th 2020 3:28 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Microsoft has told employees who can do their job from home to stay home through March 25th.

scrubbedexpat091 Mar 5th 2020 6:16 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Korean Air is reducing service to Vancouver from daily to 4 flights per week.

sharkus Mar 5th 2020 2:01 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
A few friends have mentioned their employers are preparing to test out having all their employees attempt to work from home for one day, mainly to figure how wether systems and processes can do this, and where the gaps are so they can figure out solutions. Not a bad idea really.

More companies cancelling events, or at least the in person side of things. Google I/O and Facebook's F8 being two. I'd have a good bet that Apple will do something similar for WWDC too. They usually announce the dates around about this time, event is usually June or July.

I have heard of travel policies being updated to clarify things, for example, there were questions about wether corporate bans on international travel applied just to air travel, and it's been clarified that it's any method of travel. Cancel meetings unless they can be virtual. If they absolutely must be physical, no more than 10 people.

What I don't currently understand is this toilet paper buying craze going on. Use it instead of tissues perhaps? I've seen articles about people brandishing knives to get the last pack of TP, police having to taser unruly people buying TP. Weird times my friends, weird times.

spouse of scouse Mar 5th 2020 4:38 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Read the thread and find out.

Nand Mar 5th 2020 4:48 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by sharkus (Post 12816450)
A few friends have mentioned their employers are preparing to test out having all their employees attempt to work from home for one day, mainly to figure how wether systems and processes can do this, and where the gaps are so they can figure out solutions. Not a bad idea really.

More companies cancelling events, or at least the in person side of things. Google I/O and Facebook's F8 being two. I'd have a good bet that Apple will do something similar for WWDC too. They usually announce the dates around about this time, event is usually June or July.

I have heard of travel policies being updated to clarify things, for example, there were questions about wether corporate bans on international travel applied just to air travel, and it's been clarified that it's any method of travel. Cancel meetings unless they can be virtual. If they absolutely must be physical, no more than 10 people.

What I don't currently understand is this toilet paper buying craze going on. Use it instead of tissues perhaps? I've seen articles about people brandishing knives to get the last pack of TP, police having to taser unruly people buying TP. Weird times my friends, weird times.

I really do believe stores will stay open and they will order more TP. It is curious this TP looting thing.

dave_j Mar 5th 2020 6:11 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
It's a mystery...
In extremis, I can think of any number of items that I'd rather hoard than toilet paper, and as for getting really upset and fighting about the stuff, well I can only think that the stuff tastes nice.

Siouxie Mar 5th 2020 11:38 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Simples... people don't want to have to leave the house and go to a grocery store to buy toilet paper if Coronavirus is prevalent where they live - they want to stay home and isolate themselves as far as possible... so they want enough of a supply in to last them a few weeks... if they have big families, then they would need more..
Toilet paper is one of those things that you really don't want to be without.. unless you have a bidet, of course :D

dave_j Mar 6th 2020 1:59 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12816741)
Simples... people don't want to have to leave the house and go to a grocery store to buy toilet paper if Coronavirus is prevalent where they live - they want to stay home and isolate themselves as far as possible... so they want enough of a supply in to last them a few weeks... if they have big families, then they would need more..
Toilet paper is one of those things that you really don't want to be without.. unless you have a bidet, of course :D

Yes...
It's just another example of how far we've fallen down the 'I'm homo sapiens, I can cope with anything' scale.
My father-in-law wrote a really enlightening view of his life about 1920 in the Black Country. Of the night soil collector, the communal outside lav, and the top and toe sleeping arrangements of the nail and chain makers of Cradley.
Today, it would seem, a few days without loo paper and it'll be the end of the world.
I blame Thomas Crapper.

scrubbedexpat091 Mar 6th 2020 3:03 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Washington state will cover testing for those who don't have insurance and has also ordered health insurance companies to waive deductibles and co-pays for testing.

"For the uninsured in our state, whose doctors believe they need testing, I am announcing that we have the authority and intention to cover those costs by the state of Washington,"

"state insurance commissioner Mike Kreidler said that an emergency order was sent to Washington health insurers to cover required COVID-19 testing without copays or deductibles"

70 confirmed cases.


https://kuow.org/stories/wa-state-to...xEhjuCwqSqv9XY

scrubbedexpat091 Mar 6th 2020 3:29 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
First community case appears to have occurred in BC.

"But one of the newly identified patients is a woman who hasn't travelled to any COVID-19 affected countries and has no known contact with anyone in B.C. carrying the virus."

""This is a community case and we are doing a detailed investigation right now to try and determine where her source of infection was," Henry said."

8 new cases, and likely to rise now that testing is ramping up, they are testing people who seek medical attention with symptoms of flu for Corona virus as well now.


https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-identifies...case-1.4840984

scrubbedexpat091 Mar 6th 2020 3:36 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
I have a feeling the summer cruise season in Vancouver is going to suffer this year, not good for the local economy but why anyone would risk a cruise right now. Travel insurance companies are starting to announce they will not cover any cancellations etc on new policies sold as people know the risk now, so book a trip now its at your own risk, but the companies appear to still be covering trips bought prior to their announcements.

235 Canadians stuck on a ship off California coast.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...airs-1.4840592

spouse of scouse Mar 6th 2020 4:27 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Took Mum for a GP appointment this morning (didn't go well but that's another story). On the way home she said she'd like to go to the local shops. When I said I'd go for her and drop the things off, she said she wanted to go with me. Why? Because she wanted to see the Great Toilet Paper Rush for herself. I think she was hoping to see a fight :blink: Very unseemly for an 86 year old :lol:

Anyway, I talked her out of it and went by myself. Didn't dare tell her that there actually was a bit of a kerfuffle in the toilet roll aisle, they'd just put some on the shelves so I stood back to see what would happen. What happened was there was a mad rush of people from every direction, banging their trolleys into other people's in attempts to get pole position. And then the shrieking started - Get out of my way! No, you get out of MY way! I was here first! Dear Lord.

Exit, stage left :rofl:

dave_j Mar 6th 2020 7:54 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 12816794)
And then the shrieking started - Get out of my way! No, you get out of MY way! I was here first! Dear Lord.

You australians obviously have more extreme extretorial needs than the rest of us. It's almost certainly due to the awful beer and wine you drink, I recommend a devastatingly hot curry regime, morning and night, to cauterize the digestinal tract eliminating the need any loo paper at all, simply point and sigh, works for me.

christmasoompa Mar 6th 2020 9:05 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12816741)
Simples... people don't want to have to leave the house and go to a grocery store to buy toilet paper if Coronavirus is prevalent where they live - they want to stay home and isolate themselves as far as possible... so they want enough of a supply in to last them a few weeks... if they have big families, then they would need more..
Toilet paper is one of those things that you really don't want to be without.. unless you have a bidet, of course :D

Which may explain the hoarding in certain places, but certainly not in the UK where grocery deliveries are common and you can just buy loo roll on Amazon that's delivered the same day. Our supermarket shelves were bare yesterday, it's bloody ridiculous!

spouse of scouse Mar 6th 2020 9:28 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by christmasoompa (Post 12816839)
Which may explain the hoarding in certain places, but certainly not in the UK where grocery deliveries are common and you can just buy loo roll on Amazon that's delivered the same day. Our supermarket shelves were bare yesterday, it's bloody ridiculous!

Bloody ridiculous here too, nearly all the loo rolls used in Australia are made here and there's no shortage at all, the warehouses are full of the stuff. The only shortage is on the shop shelves, because as soon as a delivery comes in it's gone - so the shops have to wait for another delivery.

scrubbedexpat091 Mar 6th 2020 9:42 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Who would have thought toilet paper was such a hot commodity around the western world in such situation, I never even thought to stock up on it...ha ha

The stores around me still have some, wonder how many packages will end up being returned provided they are not opened and used of course.

Amazon doesn't do same day, at best 2 day delivery, but I find them rather expensive for toilet paper.

Nand Mar 6th 2020 12:23 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 12816823)
You australians obviously have more extreme extretorial needs than the rest of us. It's almost certainly due to the awful beer and wine you drink, I recommend a devastatingly hot curry regime, morning and night, to cauterize the digestinal tract eliminating the need any loo paper at all, simply point and sigh, works for me.

LOL! very apt.

I surmise that the lack of hording TP in France is because most homes have the bidet.

spouse of scouse Mar 6th 2020 1:27 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 12816823)
You australians obviously have more extreme extretorial needs than the rest of us. It's almost certainly due to the awful beer and wine you drink, I recommend a devastatingly hot curry regime, morning and night, to cauterize the digestinal tract eliminating the need any loo paper at all, simply point and sigh, works for me.

I've never met a curry that could do that to me, no matter how hot :lol: My husband's a different story, but then again he's a Brit.

Danny B Mar 6th 2020 3:04 pm

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BristolUK Mar 6th 2020 3:39 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
I wonder if any of these people regret their previous actions :rofl:


Siouxie Mar 6th 2020 5:04 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by christmasoompa (Post 12816839)
Which may explain the hoarding in certain places, but certainly not in the UK where grocery deliveries are common and you can just buy loo roll on Amazon that's delivered the same day. Our supermarket shelves were bare yesterday, it's bloody ridiculous!

What if there's a lock down and the shops etc., have to stop delivering??
It seems local shoppers are more considerate - I was out shopping yesterday and there were tons of different ones on the shelves - including on sale items. I did buy one 'family pack' (30 double rolls the equivalent of 100 rolls) for $17 - -should last about 6 months, LOL
https://www.salewhale.ca/en/search/s...athroom+tissue

caretaker Mar 6th 2020 5:08 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
If there's a sustained run on toilet paper it may be a good time to buy shares in a pulp mill. There doesn't seem to be any panic buying at Giant Tiger here, but I'll ask a cashier when I go in later.

Danny B Mar 6th 2020 5:12 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Well as much as I am ashamed to admit it, we were at Costco last night and we bought a 40 pack of Purex premium for no good reason.

shelley748 Mar 6th 2020 8:32 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
toilet rolls are made in canada

wellinever Mar 6th 2020 8:51 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
why are passengers from Italy arriving in the UK not being segregated at arrivals halls and passport control at UK airports?? Surely this is not good practice, given that the Italians themselves are closing schools, playing footie matches behind closed doors, yet we are apparently supposed to join the queue next to them?? And Czech Republic and other countries have stopped flights from Northern Italy completely.

caretaker Mar 6th 2020 10:18 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
No pressure on toilet paper here. Giant Tiger about an hour ago:
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...f173e8b056.jpg


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