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Pulaski Jul 23rd 2020 1:02 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12885935)
Yes it actually is/was on the BC CDC website for sex during COVID. Its been a running joke online this week...

This is the wording used "Use barriers, like walls (e.g., glory holes), that allow for sexual contact but prevent close face-to-face contact." ....

That brings a whole (no pun intended) new meaning to "using a barrier method". :hysterical:

Siouxie Jul 23rd 2020 2:14 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12885864)
Would it be simplistic for governments to provide the odds of catching the Coronavirus (by postode or town, etc)? It's an easy enough number to understand, although admittedly clunky because the odds are changing every minute. But surely it would be helpful to the public in gauging risk between locations and over time. At the outset there was talk of the R number, but that is not intuitive for individuals and essentially functions as a traffic light.

On the Hamilton website they have the number of infected in each census tract ..which gives a good idea of where you are less likely to catch it.
https://www.hamilton.ca/coronavirus/...es-in-hamilton = pan down to the map at the bottom - you can keep zooming in to specific streets etc., :)

scrubbedexpat091 Jul 23rd 2020 2:32 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Sounds like there is a possibility that health officials are considering restrictions in Central Okanagan that differ from other regions of the province.


caretaker Jul 23rd 2020 6:11 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by magnumpi (Post 12885716)
I hear people in BC are encouraged to use Glory Holes for safe sex during this pandemic

George Michael would approve I guess :)

I just read the Global article on glory holes... it says the recommendation is just a tip.

magnumpi Jul 23rd 2020 3:43 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12886002)
I just read the Global article on glory holes... it says the recommendation is just a tip.

Anyone got a stud finder, I don’t wanna drill or go thru a wire or stud :)

Stumpylegs Jul 23rd 2020 4:06 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by magnumpi (Post 12886191)
Anyone got a stud finder, I don’t wanna drill or go thru a wire or stud :)

I was led to believe the chance to go through a stud was one of the highlights of a glory hole?

scrubbedexpat091 Jul 23rd 2020 5:08 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12886002)
I just read the Global article on glory holes... it says the recommendation is just a tip.

Yes just a tip, its just amusing for people considering its a government agency giving the tip....lol

BristolUK Jul 23rd 2020 5:12 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12886002)
I just read the Global article on glory holes... it says the recommendation is just a tip.

:ohmy: :hysterical:

scrubbedexpat091 Jul 23rd 2020 5:12 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Browns Socialhouse, 100-1544 Harvey Avenue, on July 13 or July 16-19 are asked to self-monitor themselves closely for symptoms of COVID-19 and to get tested if they begin to exhibit symptoms.

Another COVID exposure location has been identified in Kelowna.

Paul_Shepherd Jul 23rd 2020 5:29 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by magnumpi (Post 12885716)
I hear people in BC are encouraged to use Glory Holes for safe sex during this pandemic

George Michael would approve I guess :)

A friend of mine sent that to me yesterday.... I honestly thought it was a joke/meme! what the hell?? :getcoat:

BristolUK Jul 23rd 2020 5:56 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Anyone having toad in the hole for dinner?

Danny B Jul 23rd 2020 10:33 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
4m infections later this tweet did not age well :ohmy:


caretaker Jul 23rd 2020 10:51 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12886379)
4m infections later this tweet did not age well :ohmy:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...740174339?s=20

presto! If that tweet was a bottle of wine it would be corked.

bats Jul 23rd 2020 11:42 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by magnumpi (Post 12885716)
I hear people in BC are encouraged to use Glory Holes for safe sex during this pandemic

George Michael would approve I guess :)

Cottaging

BEVS Jul 24th 2020 1:56 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by printer (Post 12882399)
But what conditions are we adapting to?

I refer you to this --


Originally Posted by dbd33
We can avoid featuring in those spikes though. We don't have to go to the beach, pub, restaurant, gym, pool. We don't have to travel.

Take sensible precautions and responsibility for yourself and also for others . At the moment and for the foreseeable future , a virus is dictating that we change our ways & we should take heed and do just that.

Enough is known to make a reasonable judgement call for oneself . People can moan, whine and argue all they like & many will, even over the simplest smallest of issues which are non-issues or easily solved with some thought . Some may decide they couldn't care less for themselves or for others. Some will drone on about 'freedoms' and the like. It is all defection from the real silent, invisible dangerous change out there .

It doesn't matter where you are, you don't have to buy into the foolish and thoughtless and self interest. It is simple. Distance. Mask as needs be. Hygiene.

oh and people should stop with the excuses, deflection, "what abouts" and whinging as that won't change anything. It is with us all and we, none of us, want to be maimed, disabled or dead from this & we shouldn't wish to in-advertantly visit it to anyone else either.



printer Jul 24th 2020 6:41 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BEVS (Post 12886428)
I refer you to this --



Take sensible precautions and responsibility for yourself and also for others . At the moment and for the foreseeable future , a virus is dictating that we change our ways & we should take heed and do just that.

Enough is known to make a reasonable judgement call for oneself . People can moan, whine and argue all they like & many will, even over the simplest smallest of issues which are non-issues or easily solved with some thought . Some may decide they couldn't care less for themselves or for others. Some will drone on about 'freedoms' and the like. It is all defection from the real silent, invisible dangerous change out there .

It doesn't matter where you are, you don't have to buy into the foolish and thoughtless and self interest. It is simple. Distance. Mask as needs be. Hygiene.

oh and people should stop with the excuses, deflection, "what abouts" and whinging as that won't change anything. It is with us all and we, none of us, want to be maimed, disabled or dead from this & we shouldn't wish to in-advertantly visit it to anyone else either.

So in essence as you highlighted people don't have to go to gym, beach, pub etc.. And yes that of course is correct that is your and my right to decide IF government or provincial regulations allow. Now lets remember that the Province of BC has decided like others to open up in best way it can so the Provincial powers that be have made that decision whether you choose to agree with it or not. Now if you think its too soon and there is no way in hell you are going to the pub or whatever that's your choice like its other peoples choice to go because its allowed. Social distance is still a thing, outdoors is not considered a risk like poorly ventilated indoors and most establishments are at least supposed to be following all the guidelines that allow them to stay open. It's not about freedoms or rights it's about actual regulations in force and if those regulations allow 50 people reasonably spaced in an establishment or on a beach then technically they aren't doing anything wrong. As soon as regulations say beach is closed or no more than 5 in the pub then we will have to abide by that.
Governments around the globe are struggling with this whole close everything up to stop spread and open everything up to help economy and has anybody got it right yet? Maybe New Zealand but they are going to have to open borders at some point one assumes

BEVS Jul 24th 2020 7:09 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by printer (Post 12886489)
........outdoors is not considered a risk like poorly ventilated indoors

...is incorrect.

It is considered a lower risk than indoors, provided distancing and hygiene is observed, but it is still considered a risk & actually is a risk, not just to oneself but to others by default. In fact how long the droplets are airborne is being revisited as is the notion of long term immunity.

Let governments and agencies off the hook by doing the hard yards and the right thing. Do that individually, for the community, for a nation. No complaining one cannot get a pint , a take away, a meal out. If one wants to support those businesses one can always donate said payment instead.

Meanwhile work hard re this killer virus first and foremost. Deal with the dreadful fall out best one can. Above all , be honest. Be very honest about what this does. Just don't shoehorn piecemeal so-called solutions to appease . It will not work long term other than to kill.

Perhaps it is time for the world economy to reset itself ( in simple terms) It has been heading down a bad path now for a very long time.















BristolUK Jul 24th 2020 11:47 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
American distancing Vs Canadian distancing


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...d51c2677d8.jpg

Niagara Falls tour boats highlight US and Canada's stark Covid-19 divide

dbd33 Jul 24th 2020 2:14 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by printer (Post 12886489)
So in essence as you highlighted people don't have to go to gym, beach, pub etc.. And yes that of course is correct that is your and my right to decide IF government or provincial regulations allow. Now lets remember that the Province of BC has decided like others to open up in best way it can so the Provincial powers that be have made that decision whether you choose to agree with it or not. Now if you think its too soon and there is no way in hell you are going to the pub or whatever that's your choice like its other peoples choice to go because its allowed.

Because the government says one can do something doesn't make it sensible to do so. The government says declawing and circumcision are legal but civilized people do not chop bits off their cats or their children. If the government said you could stick your head in a gas oven (jump off a bridge for those in America) would you do it? Probably not, and you'd think anyone who did is pretty stupid. So it goes with disease ridden entertainments, it may be legal to go to the beach but it's not civilized to go there and fetch germs to spread on to other people.

Sheesh, I don't trust the government to run my life and I'm a socialist (champagne division).

Nand Jul 24th 2020 3:20 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
This is becoming the most sensible thread on the site.

It is silly how people who can't cut their own hair,make their own coffee and pour their own beer at home will pout instead of learn to do something useful. Just get over it and save lives by learning to do things yourselves even if its not the most professional job of it.


abner Jul 24th 2020 3:25 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12886611)
Because the government says one can do something doesn't make it sensible to do so. The government says declawing and circumcision are legal but civilized people do not chop bits off their cats or their children. If the government said you could stick your head in a gas oven (jump off a bridge for those in America) would you do it? Probably not, and you'd think anyone who did is pretty stupid. So it goes with disease ridden entertainments, it may be legal to go to the beach but it's not civilized to go there and fetch germs to spread on to other people.

Sheesh, I don't trust the government to run my life and I'm a socialist (champagne division).

As a champagne socialist, I'm sure you could find a beach where you didn't have to mix with mere "people", particularly in Canada, where most beaches just aren't that crowded, even in summer.

The real risk for Covid-19 spread in an outdoors, windblown environment like the beach is within clusters of people--extended family groups, partying teenagers, or the like--who choose to be physically too close to each other (despite guidelines) for extended periods of time, offering virus-transmission opportunities in an otherwise not-very-transmission-friendly environment. And by this time, several months into the pandemic, those idiots will remain at risk in almost any context no matter what the government says about anything.

Meanwhile, for those who make efforts to remain secluded at a beach, either singly, or within small groups who already share a household, there is ****-all transmission risk, and banning beach access for those participants would gain absolutely nothing from a public health policy perspective.

BristolUK Jul 24th 2020 3:27 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12886611)
Sheesh, I don't trust the government to run my life and I'm a socialist (champagne division).

I like that. You should use it instead of Assimilated Pauper :lol:

DigitalGhost Jul 24th 2020 3:27 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by tumbleweedly (Post 12886634)
This is becoming the most sensible thread on the site.

It is silly how people who can't cut their own hair,make their own coffee and pour their own beer at home will pout instead of learn to do something useful. Just get over it and save lives by learning to do things yourselves even if its not the most professional job of it.

Just because you want to board yourself up indoors and live the rest of your life as a hermit doesn't mean that everyone else will want to do the same thing.

BristolUK Jul 24th 2020 3:32 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by abner (Post 12886638)
The real risk for Covid-19 spread in an outdoors, windblown environment like the beach is within clusters of people--family groups, partying teenagers, or the like--who choose to be physically too close to each other (despite guidelines) for extended periods of time, offering virus-transmission opportunities

But who do you think they then pass it on to over several days before becoming symptomatic? You don't see that they go home to their families, to work, to school, college, to potentially mix with more sensible people who stayed away but then receive an unwanted medical condition anyway?

Shard Jul 24th 2020 3:44 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12885889)
People would simply use anything in the low/ very low risk zones as a reason to take no precautions, and argue with even basic SD guidance. This would probably have the effect of driving up the infection rate towards the average.

Those kind of people will do that anyway. I think the value would be in signalling relative risk. 1:5000 risk is much greater than 1:50000 and as the weekly/monthly risk level fluctuated people might take heed.




Shard Jul 24th 2020 3:49 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12885960)
On the Hamilton website they have the number of infected in each census tract ..which gives a good idea of where you are less likely to catch it.
https://www.hamilton.ca/coronavirus/...es-in-hamilton = pan down to the map at the bottom - you can keep zooming in to specific streets etc., :)

That's awesome. Ever local authority should be doing this.

Siouxie Jul 24th 2020 5:43 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12886661)
That's awesome. Ever local authority should be doing this.

I agree :) I also like that you can select a CT area, find out how many people live there - the number of cases of Covid - and the ratio that works out as - this one is where Mohawk College is (full of students)
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...c3b172d40e.jpg

dbd33 Jul 24th 2020 6:10 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by abner (Post 12886638)
As a champagne socialist, I'm sure you could find a beach where you didn't have to mix with mere "people", particularly in Canada, where most beaches just aren't that crowded, even in summer.

Wasaga? Grand Bend? I mean I love a vomit splattered promenade as much as anyone else who on some nights still sleeps on the beach but the charm of it is in the wobbling masses exhibiting their pasty blubber. The muscle cars and the Harleys, the constant whiff of weed, The beach is a white trash heaven and, if there's somewhere one can catch any of the popular contagious diseases that's it.

abner Jul 24th 2020 6:52 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12886742)
Wasaga? Grand Bend? I mean I love a vomit splattered promenade as much as anyone else who on some nights still sleeps on the beach but the charm of it is in the wobbling masses exhibiting their pasty blubber. The muscle cars and the Harleys, the constant whiff of weed, The beach is a white trash heaven and, if there's somewhere one can catch any of the popular contagious diseases that's it.

Not necessarily suited to your exalted tastes, nor your aversion to Covid-19 either, but also not what I was suggesting.

Ontario has 55,000 or so lakes, last I heard, plus numerous rivers connecting them all, some with their own riverine beaches, so I'm sure an enterprising BE poster such as yourself can find a near-solitary waterfront recreational opportunity if you want. Or just hang out in Lake Joseph / Muskoka / Rosseau, and order up the champers dockside.

dbd33 Jul 24th 2020 7:34 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by abner (Post 12886755)
Or just hang out in Lake Joseph / Muskoka / Rosseau, and order up the champers dockside.

I see pictures of those places and all I can think is "bugs, bugs, bugs". Between the mosquitoes and the drunk politicians mowing down innocents in their boats, Mjuskoka looks like a yahoo Henry kind of hell. On the other hand, a colleague tells me that she once had a wonderful evening that started at the Key in Bala and involved enjoying a "spit roast", jolly fun I'm sure, but again it's lots of people in very close proximity to one another, some of them exerting themselves, it's really not safe.

It's a grim choice really, stay at home, go somewhere indoors and catch the virus, or go outside and deal with the bugs, the bears, the coyotes, the blistering heat or the bone chilling cold. At least alone here in my kitchen, I may feel there's something missing, but there's no virus.

abner Jul 24th 2020 9:23 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12886783)
...she once had a wonderful evening that started at the Key in Bala and involved enjoying a "spit roast", jolly fun I'm sure, but again it's lots of people in very close proximity to one another, some of them exerting themselves...

Well, typically it's only three people in close proximity, and they all exert themselves in one way or another, but YMMV and all that.


Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12886783)
It's a grim choice really, stay at home, go somewhere indoors and catch the virus, or go outside and deal with the bugs, the bears, the coyotes, the blistering heat or the bone chilling cold.

Life is indeed Grimm.

printer Jul 25th 2020 1:59 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BEVS (Post 12886494)
...is incorrect.

It is considered a lower risk than indoors, provided distancing and hygiene is observed, but it is still considered a risk & actually is a risk, not just to oneself but to others by default. In fact how long the droplets are airborne is being revisited as is the notion of long term immunity.

Let governments and agencies off the hook by doing the hard yards and the right thing. Do that individually, for the community, for a nation. No complaining one cannot get a pint , a take away, a meal out. If one wants to support those businesses one can always donate said payment instead.

Meanwhile work hard re this killer virus first and foremost. Deal with the dreadful fall out best one can. Above all , be honest. Be very honest about what this does. Just don't shoehorn piecemeal so-called solutions to appease . It will not work long term other than to kill.

Perhaps it is time for the world economy to reset itself ( in simple terms) It has been heading down a bad path now for a very long time.

The risk is low compared to many other things yes, there is a new info doc here:
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...wers-1.5037897

You can go to get a haircut but its more risky than going to the beach. One assumes that many people will indeed visit hairdressers, head to the office or eat at an outdoor patio but this doc says they are all more risky than the beach. There is a risk in everything we do every day unless you don't move off the sofa. Accidents at home while attempting DIY are right up there with the risk factors but we do it anyway. Of course it doesn't affect other people so it's considered ok. People in general are just getting to that point where they have had their fill of statistics and gloom and restrictions and they just want to live their life and they don't give a rats. It's human nature, you may feel obligated to stay indoors or wear a mask when out, others don't. Same as you may well keep to the speed limit and wear your seatbelt, others don't. We will never get 100% compliance so we have to live with what we have and government advice is what we are hearing almost daily, trouble is its also changing daily. Masks mandatory in shops in England from today, well unless you are staff, then its up to you. Different rules in Scotland and Wales. Canada not much better with variations on advice depending on what province you are from.

Danny B Jul 25th 2020 2:01 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
I went to the dentist this afternoon for my 6 month checkup. Was quite the experience.
  • Walked in and had my temp checked
  • Mask up
  • told to sanitize hands
  • had to gargle some awful tasting mouthwash before they started
  • No polishing
  • No aerosol spray
  • was in and out in 30 minutes (compared to 1hr before COVID)
  • had to pay $6 more due to them wearing PPE

This bloody virus has a lot to answer for.

printer Jul 25th 2020 2:17 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12886881)
I went to the dentist this afternoon for my 6 month checkup. Was quite the experience.
  • Walked in and had my temp checked
  • Mask up
  • told to sanitize hands
  • had to gargle some awful tasting mouthwash before they started
  • No polishing
  • No aerosol spray
  • was in and out in 30 minutes (compared to 1hr before COVID)
  • had to pay $6 more due to them wearing PPE

This bloody virus has a lot to answer for.

Did you have to remove the mask? :lol:

BEVS Jul 25th 2020 3:27 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12886783)
It's a grim choice really, stay at home, go somewhere indoors and catch the virus, or go outside and deal with the bugs, the bears, the coyotes, the blistering heat or the bone chilling cold. At least alone here in my kitchen, I may feel there's something missing, but there's no virus.

We've none of that. Bears, coyotes and bugs I mean. It's all open and safe ( atm) . Me and him are considering a campervan holiday down south whilst the hordes are not allowed in. The place is usually crowded & over run with all manner of tourists. Just enjoy the place and what it has to offer whilst it is free of shoulder to should jostling crowds. We are not the only ones of course. Many folks are venturing forth to make hay whilst the sun shines.


scrubbedexpat091 Jul 25th 2020 5:06 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Another exposure site has been identified in Kelowna.

Fossello’s clothing store, 565 Bernard Avenue, on July 18 or on the morning of July 20 (10 a.m. – 12 p.m.) are asked to self-monitor themselves closely for symptoms of COVID-19 and to get tested if they begin to exhibit symptoms.

37 per cent of new cases in the previous 7 days have been people in the 20-29 age range in BC.

Interior Health reported the largest number of cases in the same time frame with 92.

Interior Health was doing well until Canada Day, seems young people coming up from the lower mainland and Alberta brought a gift that keeps on giving.

This is the same age range that complains about "boomers" not wearing masks.


caretaker Jul 25th 2020 11:25 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
The Hungarian club introduced a new protocol yesterday; upon entering and using the hand sanitizer provided just inside, we are now required to enter the time and our membership numbers, to facilitate tracking in case of an outbreak. The Serbian Club, which hasn't yet activated the members-only rule, doesn't require everyone to sign in, but they have good video surveillance, which the Hun lacks.

Shard Jul 25th 2020 12:08 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12886927)
Another exposure site has been identified in Kelowna.

Fossello’s clothing store, 565 Bernard Avenue, on July 18 or on the morning of July 20 (10 a.m. – 12 p.m.) are asked to self-monitor themselves closely for symptoms of COVID-19 and to get tested if they begin to exhibit symptoms.

37 per cent of new cases in the previous 7 days have been people in the 20-29 age range in BC.

Interior Health reported the largest number of cases in the same time frame with 92.

Interior Health was doing well until Canada Day, seems young people coming up from the lower mainland and Alberta brought a gift that keeps on giving.

This is the same age range that complains about "boomers" not wearing masks.

Are boomers not wearing masks out in the Interior?

magnumpi Jul 25th 2020 1:56 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12887000)
Are boomers not wearing masks out in the Interior?

Adhere to the glory hole mandates and this would not happen

scrubbedexpat091 Jul 25th 2020 4:30 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12887000)
Are boomers not wearing masks out in the Interior?

It's the running complaint online with young people in Vancouver blaming boomers for not wearing masks, but reality is I saw just as many 50+ people wearing masks as I did 30 and under wearing masks, there seemed to be no consistency in mask wearing based on age. But Vancouver young adults seem to have this massive hate for boomers, its really odd to read and listen to. They seem to think all boomers are wealthy and sitting on piles of cash.

In Kelowna, I don't see high mask usage, at least compared to Vancouver, but its mostly older people wearing masks from what I have noticed, not young people. But there is far less masks being worn in general out this way, which seems consistent with the lower mainland as well, the more blue collar and conservative areas of the LM have less mask usage as well.




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