Coronavirus
Jan 21st 2022, 9:53 pm
#5926
BE Forum Addict
Joined: Sep 2006
Location: Kelowna
Posts: 2,514
Re: Coronavirus
Lockdowns happen when hospitals are about to run out of capacity, particularly of ICU beds. That is the primary reason rather than the death rate. Regular flu season is something that healthcare planned for and comparisons to “flu seasons prior to Covid” are misguided.
For the other variants, patients admitted with Covid had much higher mortality, ICU usage and duration of stay, compared to flu. And flu admissions as well as other types of admissions still happened.
Right now in Ontario ICU usage is about 1300 for non-Covid patients and 600 for Covid. Spare capacity is about 500. The Covid number is still growing but slowly and stabilizing. Which is why restrictions can be eased although the trends will have to be monitored.
The above are facts. My guess: would have been no need for this latest lockdown if all eligible people were vaccinated. Over 200 ICU beds are taken by Covid patients not fully vaccinated, but also the spread would have been slower.
UK restrictions are based on the capacity of British hospitals and vaccination status of the British public. Politicians’ hands are forced in this respect. Alberta was a good illustration and so was Britain in spring 2020. Politicians have no choice whether they want to lock down or not.
For the other variants, patients admitted with Covid had much higher mortality, ICU usage and duration of stay, compared to flu. And flu admissions as well as other types of admissions still happened.
Right now in Ontario ICU usage is about 1300 for non-Covid patients and 600 for Covid. Spare capacity is about 500. The Covid number is still growing but slowly and stabilizing. Which is why restrictions can be eased although the trends will have to be monitored.
The above are facts. My guess: would have been no need for this latest lockdown if all eligible people were vaccinated. Over 200 ICU beds are taken by Covid patients not fully vaccinated, but also the spread would have been slower.
UK restrictions are based on the capacity of British hospitals and vaccination status of the British public. Politicians’ hands are forced in this respect. Alberta was a good illustration and so was Britain in spring 2020. Politicians have no choice whether they want to lock down or not.
Jan 21st 2022, 9:57 pm
#5927
Assimilated Pauper
Joined: Mar 2005
Location: Ontario
Posts: 40,018
Re: Coronavirus
Well I have the Dreaded Lurgy, allegedly. The covid triage nurse said that 90% of cold, fluey symptoms are COVID so I'm isolating for 5 days. I started with a stonking headache on Wednesday, then sore throat, hot and cold etc, I felt pretty yuck on Wednesday night and yesterday. I think today is Friday and I'll be fine by tomorrow. Fully vaxed and boosted thank goodness.
My boss has the covid. She looks like she's at death's door. She keeps just losing track and is working agonizingly slowly. She had a big presentation today which I was very glad not to watch, usually she's great at that but I doubt she'd have coped well with heckling today. I'm dreading my turn at sickness.
Heard the one about chap who would do anything for love but he won't get vaxxed?
Jan 21st 2022, 10:42 pm
#5928
Dive Bar Drunk
Joined: Nov 2006
Location: Toronto
Posts: 8,648
Re: Coronavirus
My boss has the covid. She looks like she's at death's door. She keeps just losing track and is working agonizingly slowly. She had a big presentation today which I was very glad not to watch, usually she's great at that but I doubt she'd have coped well with heckling today. I'm dreading my turn at sickness.
Heard the one about chap who would do anything for love but he won't get vaxxed?
Heard the one about chap who would do anything for love but he won't get vaxxed?
Jan 21st 2022, 10:50 pm
#5929
Tea Drinker
Joined: Nov 2006
Location: Kamloops, BC
Posts: 5,387
Re: Coronavirus
I once met Meatloaf when I was working as a car salesman in the UK.He came in looking for a small coupe for his wife’s forthcoming birthday. He found one he liked and we completed a test drive together. The car was listed at £28,000 plus tax. He was deep in thought looking around the car but unfortunately for me he decided not to buy it. I was in my 20s, had a young family and working a commission only job so a couple of days later I rang him to see if anything could be done. He was keen on the car but didn’t like the £28,000 plus tax price tag. I assured him that this was a great price for the car, however he said that it wasn’t so much the price of the car, it was more the tax. He said, ‘I’d do anything for love, but I won’t do VAT’
Jan 22nd 2022, 2:44 am
#5930
limey party pooper
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 9,982
Re: Coronavirus
My boss has the covid. She looks like she's at death's door. She keeps just losing track and is working agonizingly slowly. She had a big presentation today which I was very glad not to watch, usually she's great at that but I doubt she'd have coped well with heckling today. I'm dreading my turn at sickness.
Heard the one about chap who would do anything for love but he won't get vaxxed?
Heard the one about chap who would do anything for love but he won't get vaxxed?
Jan 22nd 2022, 3:45 pm
#5932
Slob
Joined: Sep 2009
Location: Ottineau
Posts: 6,342
Re: Coronavirus
My sister in law is, or was, a hospital nurse in Montreal. She was on a Covid ward and naturally got it. Full-on and she still has no sense of taste, two year on.
Recently, she and her bloke went to Florida. On the way back, she was randomly pulled for a test at the airport. It was a quick swab round just inside of the nostril. Utterly useless as a test, in her opinion (which is based on lots of experience). If that's how tests are being done, they will almost certainly come back negative.
Recently, she and her bloke went to Florida. On the way back, she was randomly pulled for a test at the airport. It was a quick swab round just inside of the nostril. Utterly useless as a test, in her opinion (which is based on lots of experience). If that's how tests are being done, they will almost certainly come back negative.
Jan 22nd 2022, 4:17 pm
#5933
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Dec 2020
Location: Ontario
Posts: 761
Re: Coronavirus
The plural of anecdote is not data. Rapid antigen tests correctly detect cases of Covid 80% of the time. This accounts for variability in how the tests are taken. If taken within 3 days of symptom onset the accuracy is higher, at 96%. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2783550
Last edited by Mordko; Jan 22nd 2022 at 4:19 pm.
Jan 22nd 2022, 8:58 pm
#5934
limey party pooper
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 9,982
Re: Coronavirus
The plural of anecdote is not data. Rapid antigen tests correctly detect cases of Covid 80% of the time. This accounts for variability in how the tests are taken. If taken within 3 days of symptom onset the accuracy is higher, at 96%. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2783550
That article is old., has authors with competitive interests, doesn't take into account testing on vaccinated people as it's pre vaccine, is for self administered tests, blah, blah.
Jan 22nd 2022, 9:28 pm
#5935
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Dec 2020
Location: Ontario
Posts: 761
Re: Coronavirus
August 2021? Pre-vaccine? Are you sure about that and the rest of blah blah?
Jan 22nd 2022, 11:23 pm
#5936
Lowering the tone
Joined: Mar 2007
Location: Here and there
Posts: 7,347
Re: Coronavirus
I appreciate that people like Bristol have earned pensions that will give them a predictable and even generous income in their later years. I must admit I always wondered about the perennial moans of teachers... "We can't live on salary X, but we cant wait to live on pension of half X".
Jan 23rd 2022, 2:13 am
#5937
limey party pooper
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 9,982
Re: Coronavirus
First vaccines were what? February 2021? Papers don't get written quickly - data analysis, charts, edits, review so it's likely the data was collected overlapping with vaccinations. There's no mention of this nor the actual dates of data collection.
