Coronavirus
#5836
Re: Coronavirus
Unvaccinated Quebecers without medical exemptions will have to pay if they don't get 1st dose soon
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ebec-1.6311054
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ebec-1.6311054
#5837
limey party pooper
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 9,982
Re: Coronavirus
Unvaccinated Quebecers without medical exemptions will have to pay if they don't get 1st dose soon
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ebec-1.6311054
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ebec-1.6311054
Oh that's so wrong for many reasons. It smacks of insurance that won't cover pre existing conditions, or paying more if you have a genetic predisposition to certain illnesses. What about charging more for those who do dangerous sports, or ski, or ride horses, or smoke, or drink? No, it's completely against the notion of equal access to health care.
#5838
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Dec 2020
Location: Ontario
Posts: 761
Re: Coronavirus
Oh that's so wrong for many reasons. It smacks of insurance that won't cover pre existing conditions, or paying more if you have a genetic predisposition to certain illnesses. What about charging more for those who do dangerous sports, or ski, or ride horses, or smoke, or drink? No, it's completely against the notion of equal access to health care.
P.S. They do charge extra taxes for smoking and drinking.
#5840
Re: Coronavirus
Oh that's so wrong for many reasons. It smacks of insurance that won't cover pre existing conditions, or paying more if you have a genetic predisposition to certain illnesses. What about charging more for those who do dangerous sports, or ski, or ride horses, or smoke, or drink? No, it's completely against the notion of equal access to health care.
#5841
limey party pooper
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 9,982
Re: Coronavirus
#5842
Re: Coronavirus
#5843
Re: Coronavirus
Lol... yeah it would do that. last time I listened to it we were around a camp fire in the middle of a forest.... of course a few drinks were involved.... that was quite a a heeby jeeby expreience - perfect!
#5844
Slob
Joined: Sep 2009
Location: Ottineau
Posts: 6,342
Re: Coronavirus
I suspect this tax is a knee-jerk reaction by the QC government to force people to get vaccinated. Asking nicely isn't working. Bringing back the curfew on New Year's Eve was another such reaction.
I would not be surprised if Arruda has been made a fall guy for the recent string of cock ups. He's been doing a good job for the last two years, is highly respected and very popular in QC. Very much a poster boy. He wasn't calling the shots though. Things have gone awry and someone has to take the blame. It's also possible that he's had enough.
I would not be surprised if Arruda has been made a fall guy for the recent string of cock ups. He's been doing a good job for the last two years, is highly respected and very popular in QC. Very much a poster boy. He wasn't calling the shots though. Things have gone awry and someone has to take the blame. It's also possible that he's had enough.
#5845
Re: Coronavirus
Smoking or drinking health related issues don't cause hospital capacity issues, it doesn't ruin people business's and take their jobs through having to lockdown.... we are all paying the price for people choosing not to be vaccinated. 50% of all hospitalisations with covid now are unvaccinated people,.... why should a cancer patient miss out on life saving surgery because someone made the choice not to be vaccinated. They call it pro choice... I have no problem with that....but if they get sick, then that was their choice, A cancer sufferer doesn't get to make that choice... (except maybe a heavy smoker but thats only a fraction of cases), life saving surgeries are being cancelled and people are dying, thats not fair is it? you see what I mean?
The vaccine obviously works... so let it do its job in keeping people out of hospitals
#5846
Re: Coronavirus
This is different though....I am going to offer another perspective. I don't necessarily think a tax is the right approach, but something needs to be done.
Smoking or drinking health related issues don't cause hospital capacity issues, it doesn't ruin people business's and take their jobs through having to lockdown.... we are all paying the price for people choosing not to be vaccinated. 50% of all hospitalisations with covid now are unvaccinated people,.... why should a cancer patient miss out on life saving surgery because someone made the choice not to be vaccinated. They call it pro choice... I have no problem with that....but if they get sick, then that was their choice, A cancer sufferer doesn't get to make that choice... (except maybe a heavy smoker but thats only a fraction of cases), life saving surgeries are being cancelled and people are dying, thats not fair is it? you see what I mean?
The vaccine obviously works... so let it do its job in keeping people out of hospitals
Smoking or drinking health related issues don't cause hospital capacity issues, it doesn't ruin people business's and take their jobs through having to lockdown.... we are all paying the price for people choosing not to be vaccinated. 50% of all hospitalisations with covid now are unvaccinated people,.... why should a cancer patient miss out on life saving surgery because someone made the choice not to be vaccinated. They call it pro choice... I have no problem with that....but if they get sick, then that was their choice, A cancer sufferer doesn't get to make that choice... (except maybe a heavy smoker but thats only a fraction of cases), life saving surgeries are being cancelled and people are dying, thats not fair is it? you see what I mean?
The vaccine obviously works... so let it do its job in keeping people out of hospitals
Well yes, something should be done to protect the innocent from the unvaccinated. Maybe send them to Australia?
#5847
Slob
Joined: Sep 2009
Location: Ottineau
Posts: 6,342
Re: Coronavirus
A couple of weeks ago the QC government introduced a requirement for vax passports to be shown at the govt-run booze and pot stores. The number of people booking first appointments shot up instantly.
#5848
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Dec 2020
Location: Ontario
Posts: 761
Re: Coronavirus
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cig...pott-1.4410518
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/new-...dget-1.5393362
I think the case of cigarette taxes helping public healthcare isn’t as strong though. In the case of Covid vaccination we have a public health emergency, the system isn’t coping, so the logic is more obvious and sound.
#5850
Re: Coronavirus
This is different though....I am going to offer another perspective. I don't necessarily think a tax is the right approach, but something needs to be done.
Smoking or drinking health related issues don't cause hospital capacity issues, it doesn't ruin people business's and take their jobs through having to lockdown.... we are all paying the price for people choosing not to be vaccinated. 50% of all hospitalisations with covid now are unvaccinated people,.... why should a cancer patient miss out on life saving surgery because someone made the choice not to be vaccinated. They call it pro choice... I have no problem with that....but if they get sick, then that was their choice, A cancer sufferer doesn't get to make that choice... (except maybe a heavy smoker but thats only a fraction of cases), life saving surgeries are being cancelled and people are dying, thats not fair is it? you see what I mean?
The vaccine obviously works... so let it do its job in keeping people out of hospitals
Smoking or drinking health related issues don't cause hospital capacity issues, it doesn't ruin people business's and take their jobs through having to lockdown.... we are all paying the price for people choosing not to be vaccinated. 50% of all hospitalisations with covid now are unvaccinated people,.... why should a cancer patient miss out on life saving surgery because someone made the choice not to be vaccinated. They call it pro choice... I have no problem with that....but if they get sick, then that was their choice, A cancer sufferer doesn't get to make that choice... (except maybe a heavy smoker but thats only a fraction of cases), life saving surgeries are being cancelled and people are dying, thats not fair is it? you see what I mean?
The vaccine obviously works... so let it do its job in keeping people out of hospitals
However, if we are looking at where the burden falls that is placing the healthcare system under stress, it is not upon the unvaccinated.
You will have to explain to me how, if I have understood Quebec's proposal correctly, that taxing all unvaccinated is correct? For example, why should an unvaccinated person, that has not caught C-19, nor has had to use the medical system for anything related to C-19, have to pay a punishment tax?
If jurisdictions wish to make vaccination compulsory, enact that and be prepared to fight the likely legal battles that will come.
Last edited by Almost Canadian; Jan 12th 2022 at 1:50 pm.