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Danny B Apr 28th 2020 5:21 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
God bless the USA, no pun intended.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us...erson-services

BristolUK Apr 28th 2020 10:06 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
With the increasing likelihood that we'll have to wear face masks in public soon, people may be wondering where they can get them from.

Amazon has proved unreliable with sellers disappearing - although your money is safe.

But Walmart.ca is advertising them on-line from third party sellers. Maybe that will prove more successful.

Danny B Apr 28th 2020 10:24 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12845657)
With the increasing likelihood that we'll have to wear face masks in public soon, people may be wondering where they can get them from.

Amazon has proved unreliable with sellers disappearing - although your money is safe.

But Walmart.ca is advertising them on-line from third party sellers. Maybe that will prove more successful.

I tried this a few times and finally got it right on my 3rd attempt. The Lady with the socks, not the T-shirt bloke. I have loads of socks.


BristolUK Apr 28th 2020 10:32 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12845668)
I tried this a few times and finally got it right on my 3rd attempt. The Lady with the socks, not the T-shirt bloke. I have loads of socks.

If you can't blow out the flame what's breathing like?

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 28th 2020 10:39 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
My solution if masks are required, never leave home. :p

BristolUK Apr 28th 2020 11:07 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12845676)
My solution if masks are required, never leave home. :p

That too.

I went shopping on March 18th. Blood test on April 1st was the only time I went out since.

6 weeks tomorrow.

Compulsory to wear masks in the hospitals in NB now but they'll be giving you one upon entry.

Danny B Apr 29th 2020 12:55 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12845670)
If you can't blow out the flame what's breathing like?

I mean it's a mask, breathing feels restricted no matter what you are wearing even though it really isn't. The thing I like about the sock mask is the comfort. The whole mask wearing thing thing just feels weird to me. I haven't gone out in one yet, only practising in the house so far.

Oink Apr 29th 2020 6:23 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Top tip: When shifting perspectives, throughly wash your adult entertainments. The casual wipe on the pillow is not sufficient "in these times."

Danny B Apr 29th 2020 4:35 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 12845740)
Top tip: When shifting perspectives, throughly wash your adult entertainments. The casual wipe on the pillow is not sufficient "in these times."

Did you ever write for Viz magazine? I used to love their top tips section.

edit- It still exists!! http://viz.co.uk/category/top-tips/

Danny B Apr 29th 2020 4:43 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
New information released today about the virus.

NHS England has recommended health trusts assess Black, Asian and ethnic minority (BAME) workers as "at potentially greater risk" from coronavirus.

The official guidance says UK and international data indicates "people from BAME backgrounds are also being disproportionately affected by COVID-19".

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...-risk-11980713

But for some reason India has got off lightly? it doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-52435463

Jerseygirl Apr 29th 2020 4:50 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12845688)
That too.

I went shopping on March 18th. Blood test on April 1st was the only time I went out since.

6 weeks tomorrow.

Compulsory to wear masks in the hospitals in NB now but they'll be giving you one upon entry.

I read the blue workshop towel/paper is quite effective. I fold a piece and place it into the mask. Can’t hurt and maybe it does help to filter out the virus.

dbd33 Apr 30th 2020 5:54 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
At work now there's a clamp down on people who are working from home while having custody of children. It's been strongly suggested that staff who have school aged children should take a leave of absence until school resumes. That's a grim choice, no money for months or potentially no job at all.

Jerseygirl Apr 30th 2020 6:02 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12846430)
At work now there's a clamp down on people who are working from home while having custody of children. It's been strongly suggested that staff who have school aged children should take a leave of absence until school resumes. That's a grim choice, no money for months or potentially no job at all.

I thought Ford said weeks ago that parents who have kids at home are to be allowed to work from home?

https://globalnews.ca/news/6683046/o...e-coronavirus/

Atlantic Xpat Apr 30th 2020 6:05 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Newfoundland has published roadmap back to a version of normality. Double family bubbles effectively immediately. Frantic family and friends negotiations in progress. Shades of being picked last for footy teams at school. "No-one wants to be in my bubble".... :-)

Paul_Shepherd Apr 30th 2020 6:40 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat (Post 12846433)
Newfoundland has published roadmap back to a version of normality. Double family bubbles effectively immediately. Frantic family and friends negotiations in progress. Shades of being picked last for footy teams at school. "No-one wants to be in my bubble".... :-)

LOL Yeah I remember it well! no wonder Ive never had any interest in football after that trauma!

I can see this bubble thing putting a few noses out of joint!


dbd33 Apr 30th 2020 6:58 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12846431)
I thought Ford said weeks ago that parents who have kids at home are to be allowed to work from home?

https://globalnews.ca/news/6683046/o...e-coronavirus/


I really don't think what the government says has any bearing on what happens in the workplace, Technically people can have maternity and even paternity leave, practically that's only for certain types of jobs. In this case people have been working from home but they're plainly trying to look after children at the same time and it's been judged not to be a success. The leave of absence is a pretty good deal; lots of people have been laid off and have no prospect of returning to work.

Jerseygirl Apr 30th 2020 7:05 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12846453)
I really don't think what the government says has any bearing on what happens in the workplace, Technically people can have maternity and even paternity leave, practically that's only for certain types of jobs. In this case people have been working from home but they're plainly trying to look after children at the same time and it's been judged not to be a success. The leave of absence is a pretty good deal; lots of people have been laid off and have no prospect of returning to work.

my daughter is working from home with an almost 6 year old who is taking school lessons online. Obviously a 6 year old needs a lot of help. Daughter does what she can, bed early (7pm) for the little one, then she works until the early hours. Many of her clients are in the FE so time zone wise it seems to be working.

increasingly we are thinking it is less and less likely schools will open in Sept.

Almost Canadian Apr 30th 2020 8:25 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12846455)
my daughter is working from home with an almost 6 year old who is taking school lessons online. Obviously a 6 year old needs a lot of help. Daughter does what she can, bed early (7pm) for the little one, then she works until the early hours. Many of her clients are in the FE so time zone wise it seems to be working.

increasingly we are thinking it is less and less likely schools will open in Sept.

I can't see how any government will be able to keep the public onside to keep this nonsense going until September. Mind you, I have been amazed at how wiling the public has been to comply with the restrictions already in place. When watching the Handmaid's Tale, I thought the premise of that society was somewhat ridiculous as I didn't believe that any one in their right mind would put up with such a society. I hear that a snitches' line in Calgary (to report those breaching social distancing rules) has been inundated with calls, so it appears that I am wrong.

Danny B Apr 30th 2020 8:35 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 12846479)
I can't see how any government will be able to keep the public onside to keep this nonsense going until September. Mind you, I have been amazed at how wiling the public has been to comply with the restrictions already in place. When watching the Handmaid's Tale, I thought the premise of that society was somewhat ridiculous as I didn't believe that any one in their right mind would put up with such a society. I hear that a snitches' line in Calgary (to report those breaching social distancing rules) has been inundated with calls, so it appears that I am wrong.

Elon Musk agrees with you.


scrubbedexpat091 Apr 30th 2020 8:50 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
BC Government is set to lay out plans next week on the plan to reopen BC. We never had as strict restrictions here as other provinces had/have either.

Meat processing plants seem to be the new outbreak sources at the moment so whatever is happening in meat packing plants isn't working so hopefully they can find a way to mitigate risks in such facilities. A federal meat inspector has also tested positive.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...l-30-1.5550256


Paul_Shepherd Apr 30th 2020 8:55 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12846480)

Ah yes......that infectious disease specialist.

caretaker Apr 30th 2020 9:06 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12846490)

Meat processing plants seem to be the new outbreak sources at the moment so whatever is happening in meat packing plants isn't working so hopefully they can find a way to mitigate risks in such facilities. A federal meat inspector has also tested positive.

Meat packing plants are full of cold, moist, circulating air, so are the perfect vector for transmitting the virus.

dbd33 Apr 30th 2020 9:14 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12846455)

increasingly we are thinking it is less and less likely schools will open in Sept.

I don't think the schools will open and I think it will lead to an increasingly unequal society; those who have no work are going downhill quickly, those who have work are suddenly relatively well off. I count myself lucky to be in the first group. It's potentially a dream come true for my daughter who wants to buy a house and is on maternity leave; the income still arrives and many more houses are becoming affordable.

Almost Canadian Apr 30th 2020 10:12 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 12846492)
Ah yes......that infectious disease specialist.

Which such expert has produced any science that has supported everyone being in lockdown?

Should we rely upon the WHO who said there was no need to stop international travel, Dr Tam who said the same thing and said that those that were asymptomatic could not be contagious? Have any of the models be shown to be even remotely accurate?

Can you disagree with the comments made here:


dbd33 Apr 30th 2020 10:41 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 12846524)
Which such expert has produced any science that has supported everyone being in lockdown?

Should we rely upon the WHO who said there was no need to stop international travel, Dr Tam who said the same thing and said that those that were asymptomatic could not be contagious? Have any of the models be shown to be even remotely accurate?

Can you disagree with the comments made here:

https://youtu.be/Id5L4uD51XI

I lasted eight minutes. Hitchens argued that people will get bored and go out so the lock down should be lifted before they do. I think he's wrong but, even if he's right, it's a prediction, not a plan, and he's not an immunologist so, ok, he thinks that but it has no more weight than what my dog thinks about it all.

At least the lockdown is good for the climate; no one's going out and drilling for gas or oil.



Almost Canadian Apr 30th 2020 10:59 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12846535)
I lasted eight minutes. Hitchens argued that people will get bored and go out so the lock down should be lifted before they do. I think he's wrong but, even if he's right, it's a prediction, not a plan, and he's not an immunologist so, ok, he thinks that but it has no more weight than what my dog thinks about it all.

At least the lockdown is good for the climate; no one's going out and drilling for gas or oil.

It's a series of discussions where they debate the merits of those jurisdictions that have imposed lockdowns versus those that haven't. In essence, there is little difference in mortality outcomes..

It appears to me that, if one isn't living in a nursing home, one has little to fear from this disease so why are we destroying people's financial lives?

I can't disagree with you comments regarding the environment and we can leave rhe debate as to how.we assist those in abusive relationships that are in lockdown to another time.

bc2015 Apr 30th 2020 11:19 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 12846544)
It appears to me that, if one isn't living in a nursing home, one has little to fear from this disease so why are we destroying people's financial lives?

What nursing homes do show is that if you have a group of people in close proximity then the virus spreads rapidly. Of course in nursing homes the outcomes are not going to be as good as the general population (underlying conditions etc..) but the general point still stands. Most of us have no immunity from this virus and we will get infected if exposed and it is spread very easily. Just look at patient 31 in South Korea or the office floor where on one side of the floor, pretty much every employee was infected https://www.businessinsider.com/sout...g-chart-2020-4

A couple of my otherwise healthy friends got it and they were extremely ill for 2-3 weeks but have since recovered. But there are unanswered questions around the long term effect of being infected, considering how much it affects the lungs and can affect the kidneys/liver.

In BC anyway, I think the measures being taken are prudent and have been effective.


dbd33 Apr 30th 2020 11:26 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 12846544)
so why are we destroying people's financial lives?
.

Due to a shared belief life is more important than money, even if it is someone else's life. It's a demonstration that there is such a thing as society.


(and yes, I see the warning coming)

scrubbedexpat091 May 1st 2020 12:58 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12846496)
Meat packing plants are full of cold, moist, circulating air, so are the perfect vector for transmitting the virus.

Yes good point.

BristolUK May 1st 2020 1:24 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 12846524)
Should we rely upon the WHO who said there was no need to stop international travel

This came up on another thread. It was quite a bit more than no need to stop international travel.

Widespread travel bans not needed. A quote - no need for measures that “unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade

Not the same thing at all.

spouse of scouse May 1st 2020 6:12 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
JS, I thought you might find this story interesting :)

When the garden eels at a Tokyo aquarium remove their heads from the sand, they are usually confronted by pairs of human eyes staring back at them through the glass.

But like other animals around the world, the eels at Sumida Aquarium are finding their environment transformed by the effects of the coronavirus outbreak.

They also appear to be forgetting what humans look like. Concerned that the garden eels – so named because their grass-like appearance when, en masse, they poke their heads out of the seabed – could come to see visitors as a threat, the aquarium is asking people to get in touch in the form of a calming video call.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...g-humans-exist

Shard May 1st 2020 11:44 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12846535)
I lasted eight minutes. Hitchens argued that people will get bored and go out so the lock down should be lifted before they do. I think he's wrong but, even if he's right, it's a prediction, not a plan, and he's not an immunologist so, ok, he thinks that but it has no more weight than what my dog thinks about it all.

At least the lockdown is good for the climate; no one's going out and drilling for gas or oil.

Eight minutes, are you masochist ? He's one of the most moronic commentators on this whole episode.

Paul_Shepherd May 1st 2020 11:48 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12846549)
Due to a shared belief life is more important than money, even if it is someone else's life. It's a demonstration that there is such a thing as society.

I would agree with this, each of those people means something to someone, you could look at it from a collateral damage point of view, to save the economy, but I think people would view it differently if they were personally affected, plus an economy can eventually recover, unlike human life, that will always be the priority.




Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 12846524)
Which such expert has produced any science that has supported everyone being in lockdown?

Should we rely upon the WHO who said there was no need to stop international travel, Dr Tam who said the same thing and said that those that were asymptomatic could not be contagious? Have any of the models be shown to be even remotely accurate?

Can you disagree with the comments made here:

https://youtu.be/Id5L4uD51XI

If countries didn’t have the lock down , I do think we would be looking at more deaths, it stands to reason, but its speculative on how many lives a lockdown has saved, but its also speculative on how many it wouldn’t, we will never know.

However I think figures speak for themselves…..the jury is still out on how Sweden from an over all perspective at the moment, but there is a marked difference between them and their Scandinavian neighbours such as Norway and Denmark who followed the rest of the world into lockdown.

Norway population 6 million , 210 deaths
Denmark population 6 million 452 deaths
Sweden population 10million 2586 deaths

As we have said before every country is a different case, there are so many variables per country but if we use the above as a basis, I don’t think for example the UK had any choice but to take the action it has, given its dense population.



Danny B May 1st 2020 2:36 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12846549)
Due to a shared belief life is more important than money, even if it is someone else's life. It's a demonstration that there is such a thing as society.


(and yes, I see the warning coming)

Half of us are working from a couch and luxuriating in the myth of shared sacrifice. The other half are getting their livelihoods crushed.

dbd33 May 1st 2020 2:48 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12846797)
Half of us are working from a couch and luxuriating in the myth of shared sacrifice. The other half are getting their livelihoods crushed.

I don't know that there's any myth of shared sacrifice. I know that I have more work now than ever because people are being laid off. I know that meat packers will die so I have dinner on the table. I'm just glad not to be a meat packer or divorce lawyer.

Almost Canadian May 1st 2020 7:34 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12846805)
I don't know that there's any myth of shared sacrifice. I know that I have more work now than ever because people are being laid off. I know that meat packers will die so I have dinner on the table. I'm just glad not to be a meat packer or divorce lawyer.

The Courts are closed so lots of parents are misbehaving but I haven't noticed a massive loss of work just yet. Bear in mind, most families don't spend lots of time together normally, (they profess to but most work and have kids that attend school) so what I am experiencing is that being locked in with a partner and kids is exposing the faults in some relationships such that I have had to stop post pounding on a number of occasions to take calls from prospective new clients.

dbd33 May 1st 2020 7:45 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 12846929)
The Courts are closed so lots of parents are misbehaving but I haven't noticed a massive loss of work just yet. Bear in mind, most families don't spend lots of time together normally, (they profess to but most work and have kids that attend school) so what I am experiencing is that being locked in with a partner and kids is exposing the faults in some relationships such that I have had to stop post pounding on a number of occasions to take calls from prospective new clients.

I can't say I'm surprised, family holidays are often a strain so I would expect actually living with one's family would be very difficult indeed.

scrubbedexpat091 May 1st 2020 10:22 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 12846610)
JS, I thought you might find this story interesting :)

When the garden eels at a Tokyo aquarium remove their heads from the sand, they are usually confronted by pairs of human eyes staring back at them through the glass.

But like other animals around the world, the eels at Sumida Aquarium are finding their environment transformed by the effects of the coronavirus outbreak.

They also appear to be forgetting what humans look like. Concerned that the garden eels – so named because their grass-like appearance when, en masse, they poke their heads out of the seabed – could come to see visitors as a threat, the aquarium is asking people to get in touch in the form of a calming video call.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...g-humans-exist


Interesting article, thanks for sharing.

Fish do get accustomed to their tanks and what they see through the glass, and they will react to changes they see through the glass.


scrubbedexpat091 May 1st 2020 10:28 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Humans need personal space, we normally get it by working, school, doing things giving a break from family we live with, its hard spending 24/7 with the same person day after day, the smaller the space the harder it is.


Danny B May 1st 2020 11:19 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12847001)
Humans need personal space, we normally get it by working, school, doing things giving a break from family we live with, its hard spending 24/7 with the same person day after day, the smaller the space the harder it is.

This COVID experience has certainly made me realize that I do not want to go to prison...EVER.


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