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scrubbedexpat091 Apr 23rd 2020 7:54 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Might be an indicator when BC might start moving towards a bit of normalcy.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/zero-new-cases...ions-1.4908122

Danny B Apr 23rd 2020 2:21 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 


Paul_Shepherd Apr 23rd 2020 2:57 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Mallory (Post 12842751)
The US is not the worst hit country in the world. The worst hit are Spain, Italy, France and UK. The population of US is about the same as Europe as a whole. Count up all the deaths in Europe, and then compare to the US. There is no comparison.

Not if you take into account the rate the cases and deaths are rising in the US, the Spain France and Italy and UK are all leveling off now. The US has no remote sign of doing that, and is still shooting through the roof and I think will continue to do so.

Jerseygirl Apr 23rd 2020 3:20 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 12843129)
Not if you take into account the rate the cases and deaths are rising in the US, the Spain France and Italy and UK are all leveling off now. The US has no remote sign of doing that, and is still shooting through the roof and I think will continue to do so.

all figures should be shown as a percentage of the population. It’s ridiculous to say the US is worse than smaller countries whose population is a fraction of the US. I would also like to see the same figures, less an approx figure of normal deaths for March/April etc.

Pulaski Apr 23rd 2020 3:46 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 12843129)
Not if you take into account the rate the cases and deaths are rising in the US, the Spain France and Italy and UK are all leveling off now. The US has no remote sign of doing that, and is still shooting through the roof and I think will continue to do so.

I am not sure what you mean by "leveling off", and I don't think you do either. :unsure:

The US has been adding a steady 25,000 /day new infections since the start of April, and the UK and Europe, if you add up all the countries, is still adding about that many every day too - with Spain, Italy. France, and Germany adding 2,000-2,500/day each and the UK adding 4,000, so those five countries alone are adding around 12,000-14,000/day - and then there are another 20+ countries to account for, so the aggregate of new cases per day in the UK and Europe is at least in the same ball-park as the US.

FWIW The US has also had significantly less than half the aggregate deaths reported in the UK and Europe.

Almost Canadian Apr 23rd 2020 4:43 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12843161)
I am not sure what you mean by "leveling off", and I don't think you do either. :unsure:

The US has been adding a steady 25,000 /day since the start of April, and the UK and Europe, if you add up all the countries, is still adding about that many every day too - with Spain, Italy. France, and Germany adding 2,000-2,500/day each and the UK adding 4,000, so those five countries alone are adding around 12,000-14,000/day - and then there are another 20+ countries to account for, so the aggregate of new cases per day in the UK and Europe is at least in the same ball-park as the US.

FWIW The US has also had significantly less than half the deaths reported in the UK and Europe.

The trouble is using facts doesn't allow for Trump bashing!

Paul_Shepherd Apr 23rd 2020 4:54 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12843161)
I am not sure what you mean by "leveling off", and I don't think you do either. :unsure:

The US has been adding a steady 25,000 /day since the start of April, and the UK and Europe, if you add up all the countries, is still adding about that many every day too - with Spain, Italy. France, and Germany adding 2,000-2,500/day each and the UK adding 4,000, so those five countries alone are adding around 12,000-14,000/day - and then there are another 20+ countries to account for, so the aggregate of new cases per day in the UK and Europe is at least in the same ball-park as the US.

FWIW The US has also had significantly less than half the deaths reported in the UK and Europe.

Well they say the UK has peaked? and that the deaths is Spain Italy etc are consistently decreasing.

I will admit that I am making assumptions about the US, as I think the case rate will steepen purely down to their attitude, however.......the news reported is biased so I should take that into account. Maybe I am jumping the gun a little, but I have a feeling things are going to get very bad there

Pulaski Apr 23rd 2020 5:11 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 12843189)
Well they say the UK has peaked? and that the deaths is Spain Italy etc are consistently decreasing.

I will admit that I am making assumptions about the US, as I think the case rate will steepen purely down to their attitude, however.. ....

But the curve in the US isn't steepening - the new numbers per day have been flat for three weeks. I think the "attitude" will affect the length of the "tail" .... I anticipate that the disease is not going to go away any time soon, and in the number of new infections in the US won't drop as fast or as far as other countries.

All that said, I think the the low population density, and the low usage of public transport across most of the US has impacted and will continue to impact how the disease spreads, and why some of the statistics in the US will be significantly different from other countries. All that said, the US can operate in ways that other countries cannot - hospitals in my area largely shut down more than a month ago, discharging patients, cancelling non-urgent surgery and laying off non-medical staff! Why? Because the staff were being offered contracts to go to New York City to help with exploding numbers. In the European Onion, countries shut down their borders, in the US resources could be moved around much more easily, and I can't imagine that happening in the EO to help Italy and Spain as things spiraled out of control - and indeed there has been complaining in Europe about the lack of support by Germany for Italy and Spain.

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 23rd 2020 5:42 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Interesting article

"Doctors treating those diagnosed with COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, are seeing patients with clots throughout the body, including in the lungs and beneath the skin’s surface.:


caretaker Apr 24th 2020 8:14 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Superior Poultry in Coquitlam, a sister plant of United Poultry which was closed earlier in Vancouver, has had 2 employees test positive. Some employees had been moving between the 2 plants and may account for the infection.
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/mobile/another...ltry-1.4909319

Nand Apr 24th 2020 3:45 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12843195)
But the curve in the US isn't steepening - the new numbers per day have been flat for three weeks. I think the "attitude" will affect the length of the "tail" .... I anticipate that the disease is not going to go away any time soon, and in the number of new infections in the US won't drop as fast or as far as other countries.

All that said, I think the the low population density, and the low usage of public transport across most of the US has impacted and will continue to impact how the disease spreads, and why some of the statistics in the US will be significantly different from other countries. All that said, the US can operate in ways that other countries cannot - hospitals in my area largely shut down more than a month ago, discharging patients, cancelling non-urgent surgery and laying off non-medical staff! Why? Because the staff were being offered contracts to go to New York City to help with exploding numbers. In the European Onion, countries shut down their borders, in the US resources could be moved around much more easily, and I can't imagine that happening in the EO to help Italy and Spain as things spiraled out of control - and indeed there has been complaining in Europe about the lack of support by Germany for Italy and Spain.

Yes, I've been watching this misinterpretation of the numbers in the USA for weeks, sitting here in mainland europe waiting for the irrational interpretations to wane. Its about the percentages not the total number that counts.

I do think it will be the grand vast amount of space in the USA that makes social distancing a breeze compared to EU. Wide side walks, wide streets, vast parking lots, large rooms, grand entry ways and hall ways, huge elevators, these spaces will really cut down the virus load in the air which people are breathing.

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 24th 2020 6:00 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Transit in Metro Vancouver is cutting back and laying people off.

Gonna make it a bit harder for people to get to their essential jobs or appointments but with such reduced demand and revenue, they really have no other option.

Sky train capacity will be cut 15%-40% depending on time of day, this is on top of earlier capacity cuts of 17%-20% done previously.

18 bus routes will be suspended as of today, in mid May another 47 additional routes will be suspended and all existing routes will have frequency cut.

https://www.translink.ca/Schedules-a...e-Changes.aspx


Siouxie Apr 25th 2020 6:02 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
:banghead:
So much for my request to keep bloody politics out of this thread.

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 25th 2020 6:27 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
A Vancouver nurse's experience having COVID and being in the ICU


Jerseygirl Apr 25th 2020 6:39 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12844184)
:banghead:
So much for my request to keep bloody politics out of this thread.

I have moved them for you...

https://britishexpats.com/forum/mapl...thread-932380/

Siouxie Apr 25th 2020 11:07 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12844204)


Thanks JG - you are a star :starsmile:

caretaker Apr 25th 2020 11:08 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Here's the situation in the easiest province to draw. The graphs for confirmed cases and for recoveries are quite similar. There is a fairly even split between genders and age groups as well. Mostly I wanted to post it because there's a hella picture of the virus, it's really bright!
https://regina.ctvnews.ca/8-new-sask...ered-1.4911901

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...d96a715983.jpg


MillieF Apr 26th 2020 2:36 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12844263)
Mostly I wanted to post it because there's a hella picture of the virus, it's really bright!

It’s a shocking looking evil thing- it doesn’t look at all fuzzy and friendly.

Surely the hardest thing in measuring the numbers of people affected is that not every country or even Province is using the same yardstick. We have no idea really about what protocol China was using, and certainly it would seem that a lot of older people who are dying are not being marked down as C19 victims, just ‘dead’.

Things are being eased for us a little in NB now, parks and golf courses and various recreational facilities are opening back up, but self distancing is still in place. We have had 7 days with no new cases, we’ve had no deaths! And nobody is in ICU. I so hope that we are not doing this too early. Nobody wants the borders to reopen anytime soon. My office is putting in place very long term plans to ensure a slow and safe return, before the general public are let back in. This hateful thing is going to be with us for an incredibly long time I fear.

NB took a lot of flack because the government closed everything down double quick and put everyone on lockdown, but it seems to have worked. They knew we didn’t have the resources to cope with a catastrophe so they sent us home. I applaud NB - it looks like we got it right :fingerscrossed:

BristolUK Apr 26th 2020 4:29 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by MillieF (Post 12844504)
NB took a lot of flack because the government closed everything down double quick and put everyone on lockdown, but it seems to have worked. They knew we didn’t have the resources to cope with a catastrophe so they sent us home. I applaud NB - it looks like we got it right :fingerscrossed:

:nod:

The big concern would be that the restrictions eased for the moment are so minor that when they don't result in anything bad, the next phase might be too much too soon.


spouse of scouse Apr 26th 2020 4:49 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12844540)
:nod:

The big concern would be that the restrictions eased for the moment are so minor that when they don't result in anything bad, the next phase might be too much too soon.

Easing up a bit here from Monday, among other things we can have gatherings indoors and outdoors of max. 10 people. And we can have picnics again. I asked scouse if he'd like to go out for a picnic tomorrow. He answered 'not really'. I forgot that he doesn't like the bush, seems to think that anyone from the UK is bound to be stomped to death by a kangaroo or chomped by a poisonous snake :rolleyes:

BristolUK Apr 26th 2020 6:11 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 12844545)
Easing up a bit here from Monday, among other things we can have gatherings indoors and outdoors of max. 10 people. And we can have picnics again.

Now would be a good time for a picnic here...before the mozzies arrive.

One of the things they're allowing here is two family meet-ups. It appears that it can only be family/home A meets family/home B and if there's anyone in family/home C they're left out unless they can meet up with D.

Back in the UK I have three brothers. If they adopted the same idea there one would be desperately trying to find some other family so he can visit them instead of our mum. :nod:

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 26th 2020 6:21 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
BC had 95 new cases on Saturday, 40 linked to a federal prison where 106 inmates and 12 staff are ill and 16 cases linked to yet another chicken processing plant. (meat processing plants seem to be an issue guess its the close proximity employees work with one another).

Hospitalizations are down and currently at 96, with 41 people in critical care. Hospitalizations peaked at 149 or so a couple weeks ago.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...l-26-1.5545425

Tourism will be bleak this year, some hotels have simply chosen to close rather than stay open at this point.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...mmer-1.5544867


Snowy560 Apr 26th 2020 6:39 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Thanks JS. I expect positive case numbers in BC to rise now because BC has significantly relaxed its testing criteria. But as long as hospitalizations continue to decrease and deaths as well I'd say we are on the right path. :fingerscrossed:

MillieF Apr 27th 2020 1:32 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
In NB we can actually elect to have a 2 Bubble Family, but you both have to be happy with that, and once you have elected you can't change your mind. We heard about this on Friday evening and had our neighbors round on Saturday...they are in their late 80's and have no family in the Province. It was super !

Oink Apr 27th 2020 8:06 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...10c54edc1c.png

It's nice to see HID is not alone.

Atlantic Xpat Apr 27th 2020 10:51 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by MillieF (Post 12844662)
In NB we can actually elect to have a 2 Bubble Family, but you both have to be happy with that, and once you have elected you can't change your mind. We heard about this on Friday evening and had our neighbors round on Saturday...they are in their late 80's and have no family in the Province. It was super !

The two bubble thing while logical, is surely fraught with opportunities for major falling out between family and friends? "Oh, you don't want to be in my bubble then?. Well fine, you just go and bubble with <INSERT NAME HERE>". :rofl: Or "I feel duty bound to bubble with family member X but I really want to bubble with my friend Y". Or "Kid A wants to bubble with family C but kid B's friend is family D, who gets ther way etc etc."

Mrs AX and I were discussing yesterday what we'd do if a similar thing was allowed here in Nfld. No easy answers!

BristolUK Apr 27th 2020 12:50 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat (Post 12844840)
The two bubble thing while logical, is surely fraught with opportunities for major falling out between family and friends? "Oh, you don't want to be in my bubble then?. Well fine, you just go and bubble with <INSERT NAME HERE>". :rofl: Or "I feel duty bound to bubble with family member X but I really want to bubble with my friend Y". Or "Kid A wants to bubble with family C but kid B's friend is family D, who gets ther way etc etc."

Mrs AX and I were discussing yesterday what we'd do if a similar thing was allowed here in Nfld. No easy answers!

:nod:
Like I mentioned with my three brothers above. Who gets the short straw? :lol:

Danny B Apr 27th 2020 6:03 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
New Zealand has done well.

With new cases in single figures for several days - one on Sunday - Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said the virus was "currently" eliminated.

MillieF Apr 27th 2020 6:07 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat (Post 12844840)
The two bubble thing while logical, is surely fraught with opportunities for major falling out between family and friends? "Oh, you don't want to be in my bubble then?. Well fine, you just go and bubble with <INSERT NAME HERE>". :rofl: Or "I feel duty bound to bubble with family member X but I really want to bubble with my friend Y". Or "Kid A wants to bubble with family C but kid B's friend is family D, who gets ther way etc etc."

Mrs AX and I were discussing yesterday what we'd do if a similar thing was allowed here in Nfld. No easy answers!

Very difficult if you have family. Easy for us as it is just us. I work with someone who has two lots of family, and teenage children and it apparently caused ructions this weekend :blink:

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 27th 2020 6:38 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12845039)
New Zealand has done well.

With new cases in single figures for several days - one on Sunday - Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said the virus was "currently" eliminated.

Being small + being an island probably helped.

Now as long as they don't open up international travel too soon, they should do well hopefully.

People in the lower mainland seem to be getting less patient, more people out and about, more traffic, some businesses that had closed have reopened. (the ones not ordered to close but chose to close) and of course the lock protests that are happening, but so far said protests are fairly small.

Paul_Shepherd Apr 27th 2020 6:38 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12845039)
New Zealand has done well.

With new cases in single figures for several days - one on Sunday - Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said the virus was "currently" eliminated.


Just shows that if you have only limited cases in the first place, a strict lock down and closed borders works.....the virus has no where to go, so it just dies off, and of course if people tow the line and don't start protesting about rights and freedoms and all the rest of that rubbish.

BristolUK Apr 27th 2020 7:11 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Nine straight days with no new cases (NB) and only one in the three days before that.

Of 118 cases, 112 recovered, just 3 left in Hospital, no ICU cases.

66 travel related, 42 close contacts...so that's really 108 travel related and 10 community transmission.

Somewhere around 11,000 tests.

caretaker Apr 27th 2020 7:58 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
They're not going to quarantine the pickers from Quebec, at least not yet.
https://www.oliverchronicle.com/no-q...fruit-pickers/

Danny B Apr 27th 2020 8:43 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12845079)
They're not going to quarantine the pickers from Quebec, at least not yet.
https://www.oliverchronicle.com/no-q...fruit-pickers/

Talking of fruit pickers, did you read this article asking for furloughed UK workers to take fruit picking jobs :lol:

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...rvest-11979143

Yeah right, that will never happen. Leave the crappy jobs to the Romanians they will say.

caretaker Apr 27th 2020 8:49 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12845093)
Talking of fruit pickers, did you read this article asking for furloughed UK workers to take fruit picking jobs :lol:
Yeah right, that will never happen. Leave the crappy jobs to the Romanians they will say.

Are those the Romanians that are here to steal your jobs or the Romanians that are too lazy to work? :lol: If the squeeze is on they should just declare it an essential service and pay about 20% more than normal because [in the Okanagan anyway] it's low paying work for what you do. Fruit will cost a bit more. I suspect it will be a trend.

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 27th 2020 9:09 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12845079)
They're not going to quarantine the pickers from Quebec, at least not yet.
https://www.oliverchronicle.com/no-q...fruit-pickers/

Quebec has more cases than Mexico, so hopefully there wont be an outbreak in the interior.

What attracts Quebec folks to these jobs? The times I have seen ads in the lower mainland, the pay doesn't seem great.

My body is old and sore and I probably wouldn't last an hour doing it.

MillieF Apr 28th 2020 12:54 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12845097)

What attracts Quebec folks to these jobs? The times I have seen ads in the lower mainland, the pay doesn't seem great

Necessity...my body is older and more tired than yours, but if my family required it I would do it again...nobody wants, but family needs...

dbd33 Apr 28th 2020 12:54 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12845055)
People in the lower mainland seem to be getting less patient, more people out and about, more traffic, some businesses that had closed have reopened.


My daughter went to see a house that's for sale in Vancouver, there were 60 showings scheduled for the weekend. That'd be a house with flat surfaces and 120 people sneezing on them.

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 28th 2020 8:00 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by MillieF (Post 12845145)
Necessity...my body is older and more tired than yours, but if my family required it I would do it again...nobody wants, but family needs...

If one is physically unable to do something due to pain/other health issues, the person wont be able to do it necessity or not.

Quebec youth have been coming to BC for fruit picking well before COVID so its not necessity, they could easily get a job closer to home most years that likely pays better.


Shard Apr 28th 2020 8:16 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 12845056)
Just shows that if you have only limited cases in the first place, a strict lock down and closed borders works.....the virus has no where to go, so it just dies off, and of course if people tow the line and don't start protesting about rights and freedoms and all the rest of that rubbish.

I feel like the media is complicit in setting the public mood on lockdown. Obviously there are some extreme cases (domestic abuse, inadequate housing, mental issues) where lockdown is a severe challengs, but it's not the case for the vast majority. And yet they bang on about people's mental health and hardship and frustration. As Cuomo said, the alternative is death (if not personal, then someone elses). I was pleased that BoJo the Clown at least took a firmer line yesterday on UK lockdown (for the time being).




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