Danny B

Good grief.
Not a huge difference in numbers between fully vaxxed patients vs unvaxxed patients for those in hospital but not in ICU.
You guys need to toughen up a bit.

dbd33

But, if those numbers are roughly the same despite 70% of the population being vaccinated, it suggests the voluntarily unvaccinated are taking a huge risk with their health (and everyone else's). Bastards.

printer

Yes it's certainly not described anywhere as a lockdown but rather "plan B" It would seem however that this plan has some holes in it but i guess Boris knows what he is doing. I mean the mask mandate has been expanded to include most indoor settings like theatres and cinemas that weren't on the 'plan A" list but not apparently gyms. Also pubs, nightclubs and restaurants all escape the mask rule AND there is no social distancing being mandated. The work from home rule is not really a rule more an advisory if you can. Going to the pub, mixing, eating out and shopping are all still encouraged which of course is good news but you have to wonder if this is just Boris trying his best to act in view of the perceived threat but reluctant to do much so he doesn't piss off the electorate and ruin another Xmas.

Siouxie

The vaccinated are equally able to pass on the virus, particularly if they have few or no symptoms and think they are fine to mingle with whoever they like. I know more than a few who think they are invincible now they are vax'd... don't wear masks anywhere unless forced to, don't take precautions etc., and yes I know of a few who have had mild covid since being vax'd... caught from other 'vax'd' friends!

As I explained to an acquaintance of mine, I was more at risk if I met up with her, than she was from me... She is vax'd, works as a nursing assistant at a GP's office in Texas, has/d contact with people who are unwell but not yet tested; was at a large airport for several hours, mingling with others - flew to Toronto in a packed plane; hung out in Toronto for a few days (staying in a large hotel and then a motel).... going to stores, restaurants, bars etc., then met up with friends at various places. I don't go anywhere, I don't see anyone, I am super vigilent.. and unvax'd due to heath constraints... she could easily have infected me, had she picked covid up and was asymptomatic

The whole situation is horrible for everyone, vax'd or unvax'd - why lay the blame on anyone... it is what it is... an out of control endemic virus that will mutate and change every year... we either adapt or give up.

BristolUK

And then complaining about its use

Not so much holes as just recognising practicalities. You can't keep your mask over your mouth while eating and drinking and it's probably not good while exercising in the gym, breathing difficulty and so on, especially as sweat and heavy breathing is going to clog up the mask. There's little comparable issue with a mask at the cinema - unless it's at one of those places where what you're watching makes you sweat and breathe heavily.

dbd33

The selfishness is not about contagion but about choosing to increase risk of hospitalization thereby depriving others of a needed bed. If unvaccinated people are willing to shoot themselves upon catching covid then, fair enough, that's reasonable exercise of free will although it's still not the act of a good person to turn oneself into a variant incubator.

Danny B

Is Ontario short of hospital beds? is the situation there that bad? I must admit that I haven't been keeping up with the news over on your end of the country.

Things in BC aren't bad at all (besides the 1,782 people killed so far this year by drug overdose) but COVID wise we are doing good. I'm even back working in the office

Atlantic Xpat

Vaccines work as well as "they" (presumably you mean the scientists and medical professionals) say they do. Unfortunately, the pools of unvaccinated people in Africa/South America/Asia - or the US of bloody A - provide fertile ground for new variants to arise. Perhaps we should be giving our third doses to these countries to mitigate that risk faster.

Hopefully Omicron is less deadly. Hopefully restrictions will be short term. We'll see.

Nand

It normally takes a few weeks, even months for SarsCov virus to kill pople, so it is early days yet for the Omicron deaths to begin to climb.

Still good idea to take precautions now!

I really really hope this turns out to be the beginning of the end of it.

Nand

TBH I don't care anymore if vaxed people go around spreading their Covid germs all over the place because the sooner this thing mutates like a whirl wind there is more and more of a chance it will become a milder virus that everybody can handle without dying.

Sometimes I think this is exactly what governments planned on the advice from those brainy Virologists that woild know everything like how virus' acts and mutates, because if it wasn't their plan all along then why weren't they creating and putting in place a vax for the Delta varient last summer?

dbd33

It doesn't matter. Taking a bed from someone else out of vanity is wrong regardless of how many there are. It's not like someone who smoked and is now taking up a bed with their cancer; the smoker smoked for pleasure, the helmetless motorcyclist got a buzz from riding. The unvaccinated person is just being a dick.

Danny B

Where do you stand on a team of hospital doctors treating intoxicated drivers that have crashed and need urgent medical care? Do they come before or after the unvaxxed?

scrubbedexpat099

Obesity seems to be at the root of many medical issues.

Siouxie

Did you read the amount of people in hospital beds that are Vaccinated? Should they be shooting themselves if / when they catch covid as well? Variant incubation can occur in any member of the population, vaccinated or unvaccinated - that's the nature of a virus.. to mutate and vary in order to be able to pass onto another and survive..

dbd33

Before. I trust the triage person would shove the un-vaxxed out into the snow to accommodate the drunks (or people overdosing on drugs or people with a plastic Santa stuck up their arse).