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Old Jul 29th 2021, 2:59 pm
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I couldn't find specifics, but Metro Vancouver is at 80% with at least one dose, but the article then just gives a 50% to 75% with one vaccination for the rest of the province, not sure why they are not reporting more transparently.

Also seems a good chunk are linked to employment, with restaurants, fitness studios, clothes companies, bar employees being hit the hardest.

It's not necessarily anyone doing anything wrong, the province is the one who relaxed the rules and did away with the mask mandate. It is no easy task to convince people they have to wear a mask when the government say's they are optional at least in the Interior.





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Old Jul 30th 2021, 3:37 am
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107 of the new covid cases are in Interior Health, which as you know includes Central Okanagan, although that still does not tell us how many in Kelowna alone. the next highest count of new cases was 58 in Fraser Health

There are currently 1,055 active cases in BC, and 600 of those are in Interior Health.

There's certainly something wrong in Interior Health!!

The other important figure of note is that during the month June 15-July 15, 78% of the new infections have had neither their 1st or 2nd jabs. The only figure I can connected to that is that most of the people testing positive in the Kelowna area are young people who have had only a first dose of vaccine or are totally unvaccinated.

As far as number of hospital admissions, there is no way to say how many in Interior Health, but if they have over 50% of the new cases, then it might well be that hospital admissions are also close to that, or even higher. Therefore Kelowna and other hospitals in the region are the ones looking at possibly being overwhelmed.
Interior health is 216,000 sq km serving 3/4 of a million people. I think the above numbers of 0.001% are completely normal. If the people showing up in Hospital are unvaccinated, what can you do? If I was running the country, I'd make life extremely difficult for the anti-vax brigade.

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Interior health is 216,000 sq km serving 3/4 of a million people. I think the above numbers of 0.001% are completely normal. If the people showing up in Hospital are unvaccinated, what can you do? If I was running the country, I'd make life extremely difficult for the anti-vax brigade.
Self-pay on any Covid related treatment would be a start.
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Based on a new study, the US CDC is revising it's mask guidance and now recommends even fully vaccinated to wear masks indoors.

"A new study shows the Delta Covid-19 variant produced similar amounts of virus in vaccinated and unvaccinated people if they get infected -- illustrating a key motivation behind the federal guidance that now recommends most fully vaccinated Americans wear masks indoors."

""High viral loads suggest an increased risk of transmission and raised concern that, unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus," Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said in a statement Friday."


The study describes 469 Massachusetts residents who were infected in a July outbreak in Barnstable County of those About 74% -- or 346 cases -- had been fully vaccinated, with 79% of the fully vaccinated showing symptoms.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/30/healt...udy/index.html





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Based on a new study, the US CDC is revising it's mask guidance and now recommends even fully vaccinated to wear masks indoors.

"A new study shows the Delta Covid-19 variant produced similar amounts of virus in vaccinated and unvaccinated people if they get infected..."
I think it's about time people paid a bit more attention to this. It's all very well saying the unvaccinated will be the ones to suffer so it's their own fault but not all of them have that choice.
We've already seen reports of increasing numbers of younger people being treated for covid than was the case previously and we have one variant that spreads quickly while, fortunately, being mild in its effects and another variant that doesn't spread as quickly but is worse if you get it. So what happens if one comes along that combines the bad parts?

I'm not suggesting we go back into lockdown but with everything opened up and absolutely zero limits on household mixing and not even having to isolate with symptoms, it seems foolhardy not to continue with mask wearing in the kind of places that previously required it and create the potential for further variants by unnecessary spread. At least wait and see the effect of all the mixing.

This is very easy for me to say, of course, as I only need to wear one for medical appointments or shopping and occasionally that might involve two hours by which time I'm feeling unwell. So maybe enable people to take a mask break when needed. I mean, if you can nip outside for a cigarette, you can do it for air.

But my stepdaughter works retail and she'd rather continue it despite the discomfort in her store than be the one who brings the virus or variant home to an at risk stepdad, 83 year old grandmother or her unvaccinated needle-phobic brother. If her immunocompromised mum was still alive, christ knows how she'd feel.



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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
Based on a new study, the US CDC is revising it's mask guidance and now recommends even fully vaccinated to wear masks indoors.

"A new study shows the Delta Covid-19 variant produced similar amounts of virus in vaccinated and unvaccinated people if they get infected -- illustrating a key motivation behind the federal guidance that now recommends most fully vaccinated Americans wear masks indoors."

""High viral loads suggest an increased risk of transmission and raised concern that, unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus," Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said in a statement Friday."


The study describes 469 Massachusetts residents who were infected in a July outbreak in Barnstable County of those About 74% -- or 346 cases -- had been fully vaccinated, with 79% of the fully vaccinated showing symptoms.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/30/healt...udy/index.html
This is not something that we need to hear right now. The whole issue surrounding transmission rates and hospitalizations and pressure on healthcare has been about getting a high vaccination rate amongst people. We are still a way off it seems and they are blaming the young party crowd and antivaxers yet if it appears we all have to wear masks even after 2 shots then i can see that people will continue to refrain from getting it as they don't see a positive. We are heading nowhere if we have to continue mask wearing and getting vaccinated and i don't see this news helping to sway the non believers or the ones on the fence.
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This is not something that we need to hear right now. The whole issue surrounding transmission rates and hospitalizations and pressure on healthcare has been about getting a high vaccination rate amongst people. We are still a way off it seems and they are blaming the young party crowd and antivaxers yet if it appears we all have to wear masks even after 2 shots then i can see that people will continue to refrain from getting it as they don't see a positive. We are heading nowhere if we have to continue mask wearing and getting vaccinated and i don't see this news helping to sway the non believers or the ones on the fence.

But that is EXACTLY what everyone needs to hear!

No-one with any knowledge has ever said that a fully vaccinated person will never catch covid.

What is said over and over again is that a fully vaccinated person can catch covid, and there are plenty of examples around the world, BUT in general they will get a much milder case and usually nor]t even require hospital care le alone going into ICU.

Several countries are seriously considering that in fact we may well need annual booster shots, and that a 3rd jab might even be needed before the end of this year.

This new Delta variant is turning everything on its head though as it is a) much more virulent nd b) is much more serious in an unvaccinated person.

Dr Teresa Tam and other experts said in Ottawa today that Canada is on the verge of the 4th wave of covid, largely because of the Delta variant.

There haven been mutterings by virologists and financiers recently that BC might not be able to go to the next step in regaining normality, planned for September 7th.
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But that is EXACTLY what everyone needs to hear!

No-one with any knowledge has ever said that a fully vaccinated person will never catch covid.

What is said over and over again is that a fully vaccinated person can catch covid, and there are plenty of examples around the world, BUT in general they will get a much milder case and usually nor]t even require hospital care le alone going into ICU.

Several countries are seriously considering that in fact we may well need annual booster shots, and that a 3rd jab might even be needed before the end of this year.

This new Delta variant is turning everything on its head though as it is a) much more virulent nd b) is much more serious in an unvaccinated person.

Dr Teresa Tam and other experts said in Ottawa today that Canada is on the verge of the 4th wave of covid, largely because of the Delta variant.

There haven been mutterings by virologists and financiers recently that BC might not be able to go to the next step in regaining normality, planned for September 7th.
But if jabs equals freedoms or relaxed rules or whatever then its a good carrot to dangle. The much talked about vax passport is something that fully vaxxed people were applauding so they could get on with their life and the unvaxxed could do one. Bojo has even mentioned the idea of vax passports for nightclub entry in England yet this is surely a mute point if all the double jabbed youngsters are still spreading it. They have just opened things up despite alarming numbers of cases and will be allowing fully vaxxed US visitors in without quarantine in near future. If BC is in trouble god help England.
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But if jabs equals freedoms or relaxed rules or whatever then its a good carrot to dangle. The much talked about vax passport is something that fully vaxxed people were applauding so they could get on with their life and the unvaxxed could do one. Bojo has even mentioned the idea of vax passports for nightclub entry in England yet this is surely a mute point if all the double jabbed youngsters are still spreading it. They have just opened things up despite alarming numbers of cases and will be allowing fully vaxxed US visitors in without quarantine in near future. If BC is in trouble god help England.
It's truly bizarre that UK nightclubs are fully open two months in advance of the proposed vax passport. Totally illogical.
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But if jabs equals freedoms or relaxed rules or whatever then its a good carrot to dangle. The much talked about vax passport is something that fully vaxxed people were applauding so they could get on with their life and the unvaxxed could do one. Bojo has even mentioned the idea of vax passports for nightclub entry in England yet this is surely a mute point if all the double jabbed youngsters are still spreading it. They have just opened things up despite alarming numbers of cases and will be allowing fully vaxxed US visitors in without quarantine in near future. If BC is in trouble god help England.
Moot, ffs.

There's no need of a carrot. Just have companies follow Disney and WalMart in making vaccination a requirement of employment.
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Moot, ffs.

There's no need of a carrot. Just have companies follow Disney and WalMart in making vaccination a requirement of employment.
We'll put you down for "stick" then.
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We'll put you down for "stick" then.
Yes. "I want people to be able to catch covid and charge their treatment to the public purse" is a bullshit position akin to "I want people to be able to drive drunk and clobber pedestrians". The world has no room for such idiocy.
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Yes. "I want people to be able to catch covid and charge their treatment to the public purse" is a bullshit position akin to "I want people to be able to drive drunk and clobber pedestrians". The world has no room for such idiocy.
Totally agree.
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But if jabs equals freedoms or relaxed rules or whatever then its a good carrot to dangle. .
Conversely what happens if Delta continues to run rife and/or further variants happen because everyone including the vaccinated are passing on the virus without a care in the world simply because initially it's not harming them? The jabs are not going to appear the answer by then and that's even worse.

The carrot to dangle is to say look how many people have not died or been hospitalised since people have been getting jabs.
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I think we should also not forget that a year ago it was going to "take at least a year" to produce vaccines and then roll-out difficulties would prolong the wait, yet here we are with many of us living in countries where most are already fully vaccinated.
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