BristolUK

Got any links to that? I've seen nothing anywhere (and I'm not just reading Canadian stuff) to suggest immunity once vaccinated and the most optimistic thing as to whether it can be passed on is an "early indication but too early to say" with any confidence.

spouse of scouse

Even Pfizer itself acknowledges that people who've had its vaccine can and do get covid. It's nonsense to say that the vaccine confers immunity.
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-re...and-no-serious

Shard

Thanks for the heads up on the nutter. I was about to explain the risk of virus propagation, but clearly no need.

scrubbedexpat091

Fake test results apparently easy to obtain in India for a fee.

OrangeMango

It was said by Ugur Sahin, the founder of BioNTech on some scientific conference more than a while back. Also the BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine only need minor tweaking to respond to all future variants with ease. For Curevac it's too soon to say, I think. Regarding Moderna or Astra Zeneca or J&J, I can't say, nor do I know. The science community also believes that the mRNA vaccine is also a good basis to handle other medical issues, even as far as cancer, one day.

But as long as you have people like "Dr." Tam who constantly doubts science, or Ford in Ontario who "sees too many airplanes" Canada won't get very far with this attitude and free movement will be more than a while away. To Ford this is purely political, he has an election to win, next year, and is paying a of of ads to create the "fear of variants", whilst the spreading is within his province.

It's a very difficult subject for many people in Canada, and also for many users here in this forum- sadly.

Danny B

My friend on Facebook said the vaccine will alter your DNA and give you COVID. He's right about a lot of things so I trust him.

“This is not your normal flu vaccine,” “This is something totally different. This is a witches’ brew. I’ve never seen anything like this in science or medicine.”

“There’s many ways it can be taken up into our genome,”. “So when this gets into the genome, if it’s permanent, guess what? You, as a human, can be patented and owned—look it up!”

BristolUK

Got any links to that?

So that's a "no" then.
Poppycock.
Here's a link for you.
BioNTech boss strikes upbeat note on Europe's vaccine drive
So your claim that "It's been scientifically proven that one is immune with the vaccine and you can't pass it on" is hogwash isn't it.

OrangeMango

It may be your interpretation. The only claim I have is that the attitude by many Canadians and often even Brits who have been living in Canada for some time is a bit worrying.

The vaccine is for instance way way more effective than any flu vaccine we've ever had.

Doubting the effectiveness of the vaccine would put all long term care / elderly care homes out of business. Why should they vaccinate their employees then, to protect the most vulnerable of society against Covid 19?

To me Covid it a bit like Brexit. Everything said, discussed, done is about differences.

I wonder how the opioid crisis in Canada will be tackled? - if ever? The same way as they did against Covid 19? Far off, I take it.
Or what Cannabis does to your brain? legal or not?

I also wonder what would happen if I would, as a vaccinated Israeli citizen arrive on a direct flight from Israel to Canada? Senseless quarantine? Not in the EU.

Covid 19 has shown me some sides of Canada I honestly neither find friendly, attractive or welcoming.

This discussion feels like telling the SNP that independence is a bad thing, or telling Boris that the EU is a good thing to be part of.

BristolUK

Seriously? Siouxie correctly stated "People think they are immune because they had the vaccine; - rather than they are less likely to get seriously/dangerously ill if they do catch it... ...having the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't catch it nor pass it on."
You categorically stated that was wrong and that "It's been scientifically proven that one is immune with the vaccine and you can't pass it on."
I linked to an article where your man said no such thing and very clearly agreed with Siouxie's comment.

And you think this is my interpretation.

spouse of scouse

But no one's doubting the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine OM, it's a bloody godsend as are most of those that have been developed. We were just pointing out that the vaccine does not make you immune to covid as you stated.

Shard

My understanding is that the immunity is around 70 - 95 % (depending on maker). In which case some recipients are immune (for a period) and some are not. As with any vaccine, the immunity degrades over time. All in all, still need to be careful until enough of the population are immune (vaccine or natural antibodies) that the risk is negligible.

Siouxie

I'm sorry but you are not correct in your assumption regarding the effectiveness of the vaccine - .it neither gives you complete immunity nor stops you from passing it on if you happen to catch it.
(for a laymans explanation, see here: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...pread-covid-19

I'm particpating in a Health Canada covid antibody test for research purposes, to determine if anyone has natural antibodies / immunity - as a courtesy they will also inform me of the result. They would prefer me not to have had the vaccine until I've taken the test, although if I do then I will need to notify them, but it's not medically appropriate for me to take the vaccine at the present time anyway.. This has been an ongoing research project I have been part of for many months.

OrangeMango

Both things don't surprise me. Our differences, your opinion, this study, and the whole attitude to Corona in Canada.

Oddly, this doesn't happen in the EU, or the UK.

It's too much obsessed with a "100% solution" which will never ever exist. At the same time, Canada is unable to seem to control the influx of drugs into the country.

I wonder if there is ever such a study on drug use in Canada?

Tangram

Booked in for my first jab on May 20th

bats

I think my posts must be invisible.