Danny B

Jesus, look at all those inbound flights from Delhi

dbd33

ohdearwhatashamenevermind.

Passports/Certificates offer the best way forward for the largest number of people. They allow more business to resume. The alternative is eternal lock down.

Revin Kevin

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​​​​​​Vaccination passports are coming that's a given and the sooner the better! There will be a workaround for anyone who genuinely can't get vacinated which I think it will probably involve enhanced testing.

Jerseygirl

Even if it is decided that vaccine PPs are against human rights... countries have the right to refuse entry to anyone who cannotshow proof of vaccination. Who can blame them after what the world has been through the last 14 months?

dbd33

A weird quirk of the 'rona is that the price of items some might consider luxuries, horses, old cars, dogs, has gone up dramatically. I think this might be because people have a lot of equity in their houses and, with low interest rates, can use some of it, The lack of commuting frees time for animals and money that once went on petrol and work clothes is now available for other uses.

I've heard a few people say that they're in no rush to get vaccinated for fear of being forced back to commuting and I know of firms that have given up rented office space. I wonder if this is a genie that won't be shoved back in the bottle, if this is the moment when working from home became more usual than going to an office.

Siouxie

You clearly have insider knowledge.... do tell!

Couldn't disagree more.

scilly

Years ago we all needed to show proof of smallpox vaccination to enter Australia for a 10 month long stay. However, my daughter could not have the vaccination because she showed signs of eczema in one small area of her body and the doctor said there was no way she could receive the vaccine.

He had to provide a letter to me that I could show to all authorities to show why she had not had the jab. She also had to be inspected by a doctor whenever it was requested.

The result of that was we arrived In Perth at midnight, had to show the letter to the Health people, and then they had to send for a doctor to come out to the airport. It took about an hour for the doctor to show up, he took a quick glance at my daughter, asked where we had been in the last several months, then said she was fine and could be admitted. We were then allowed to re-board the plane to continue on to Melbourne.

So there are ways and means around the problem of someone not being able to get a certain vaccine without discriminating against them.

Siouxie

The difference being that the 'covid vaccine' does not protect anyone against catching it nor passing it on - it reportedly can only enhance your chances of not becoming dangerously ill... but will require 'top up' booster shots, just like a flu vaccine does.(confirmed by many health professionals)... in other words, it valueless for determining if you might have or pass on covid on entry to a country. It's quite different to having to have smallpox / yellow fever innoculations etc., (which I also had to have before going to live in Hong Kong / visit Australia etc.,) as those did offer protection against catching or passing them on.

According to many legal documents available to be viewd, it's being stated that to require 'covid passports' could be construed as discriminatory. Will a 'Covid passport' be required to go to a restaurant / go to watch a film / go to the theatre / get on a train etc., ??

I'm not anti vaccine at all - I'm just anti 'covid passport', there will be a sharp increase in faked ones, a black market etc., - as some have already been discovered. It's just asking for trouble.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56489574
https://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-...ems-for-travel

scilly

I agree that the covid is more like flu than anything else, but I was trying to show that there are ways and means of not discriminating against someone.

I'm also with you on being anti-covid passport.

If a business or store or restaurant only wants to do business with me if I have a covid passport, then it's simple ........... if I can avoid doing business with them I will. There's usually other fish in the ocean who will take my money! I already do most of my shopping online, deal with my doctor online, and deal with the bank and my financial advisor online.

I have had my first jab of Pfizer, back on March 30th, and will wait for my second some time in July or early August (16 weeks after the first one).

If we then have to have booster shots every six months (as I read somewhere) or every year, then it will be just like having the flu shot every year, hopefully either at the doctor's office or the local pharmacy.

vinegarboy

Happily I got my 2nd Pfizer shot down here in Virginia yesterday, with there never having been any hassle/cost/awkwardness or any actual residency requirement involved for me being a foreign visitor down here.

So I've found that in practice it's totally easy & straightforward getting a freebie full vaccination down here in the U.S., and that one then simply has to email the provincial health authority back home with a photo of the U.S. vaccination documentation, in order to have one's Canadian hralth record updated with one's new Covid vaccination status.

Woke up at T-plus 12hrs with upper arm soreness & a general feeling of disequilibrium/fragility/achiness, but am deliberately soldiering-on sans any Tylenol so far, while my immune system gets to continue learning its ABCs concerning SARS-CoV-2's tell-tale spike protein.

Rete

That's wonderful for you. And yet, there are many US Citizens and legal US residents who still have not be able to get the vaccination. And yes, we pay for the vaccine. My healthcare insurance was billed for both doses and paid for both and they have paid for all 4 of my covid tests.

scrubbedexpat099

Nobody I know has had to pay to be vaccinated, I certainly did not.

I only have had one test and that was free but that seems a different situation as some you certainly pay for.

vinegarboy

Initiative, as always, is at a premium. I neither queue-jumped nor stole nor misrepresented myself down here in any way, shape, or form in order to get myself vaccinated. I merely hoofed it down to the local pharmacy & volunteered myself to receive any Pfizer that was end-of-day expiring, which they would otherwise have had to throw out. So, in essence, & apart from the pharmacist's (private-sector) time to administer it, I basically got vaccinated out of the U.S. taxpayers' (your) trash bin, for which I am, honestly, thankful. So thanks.

BristolUK

I always like to think the best of people. I see from those links that these fakes are available on the dark web. I wouldn't have a clue how to do that. Is it anything like not having a clue how to buy an illegal gun so you ask around, putting yourself in all kinds of danger of being caught or just at the mercy of villains.

Of course, sooner or later such things might be more 'freely' advertised elsewhere. Since I was a teenager I remember fake documents being advertised in private eye.

But there's a bit of a difference in forking out a few quid for a fake ID to buy a pint and the $150 or more mentioned in the BBC link. Maybe I'm just a bit cowardly in that I wouldn't risk spending a not small sum and then trying to gain entry to another country and ending up in Bangkok Hilton or writing a book based on my experience in a Turkish Prison - Midnight Express 2

Of course I'm exaggerating and looking at travel as opposed to common or garden dining out or whatever.

But I would imagine that people who haven't had a vax but then needed a document to say they had in order to access something would be much more likely to get vaccinated and produce a genuine document for free than they would go down the fake/expensive/risky path.

And if that increases the vaccine take up then all's good - or at least better than it was.

Taking Scilly's point, I suppose the document could be called something generic - like a Covid Visa - with the vaccinated and exempt but clear qualifying for one and nobody needing to know what the qualification was, therefore no discrimination.

Kind of like Dinner Tickets at school back in the day where nobody knew whether you'd paid for them or got them as free school meals.

Siouxie

Please keep in mind that this is the Canada forum... if you want to post about your experiences on getting the Covid vaccine in the USA please post to: https://britishexpats.com/forum/take...art-ii-931990/
Cheers!