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Old Mar 30th 2021, 2:27 pm
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
Are hospitals carefully controlled?

The times I have gone over the last year lots of admin and support staff without masks on, when I had my CT done at the Kelowna hospital in October, the nurse who checked me in and did the IV wasn't wearing a mask. My wife had to go to the hospital for a psychiatrist consult in the ER a few weeks ago, not all staff wore masks, a good amount were not wearing masks.
What???? My husband was in the ER here in Toronto 3 weeks ago. Everyone wore masks. Patients had to removed their own masks and wear hospital provided masks
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
Are hospitals carefully controlled?

The times I have gone over the last year lots of admin and support staff without masks on, when I had my CT done at the Kelowna hospital in October, the nurse who checked me in and did the IV wasn't wearing a mask. My wife had to go to the hospital for a psychiatrist consult in the ER a few weeks ago, not all staff wore masks, a good amount were not wearing masks.
Well guess what Kelowna general has just declared another outbreak today!! So i wonder but having said that when i had CT scan in March all were wearing masks, i certainly didn't notice any workers not wearing one but many employees eating lunch in the corridor seating areas obviously without one. Not sure about admin or inside office areas.
My point was really that you "should" feel relatively safe in a medical facility compared to a restaurant.
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
Are hospitals carefully controlled?

The times I have gone over the last year lots of admin and support staff without masks on, when I had my CT done at the Kelowna hospital in October, the nurse who checked me in and did the IV wasn't wearing a mask. My wife had to go to the hospital for a psychiatrist consult in the ER a few weeks ago, not all staff wore masks, a good amount were not wearing masks.
WTF are you serious ? Were they wearing shields ?
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But we can all read these reports about just how bad things could be yet restaurants, pubs, coffee shops have all been open and under restricted seating/spacing for months now. Are we suggesting that these new cases are all coming from these places? I highly doubt it. Are we suggesting stores are ok because people are wearing masks? Yes could be the answer if EVERYONE wore a medical grade mask correctly at all times yet we see poorly constructed cloth coverings and even those mini face shields that cover bugger all. We have plane loads of passengers coming in with often poorly controlled quarantine and if they have been on a long haul flight how much time was spent with mask down taking drink/snack? I believe we touched on this a while back but 10% of your flight time with mask round chin sipping water and eating peanuts is of course only 6 minutes for an hours flight, its nearly an hour on a 9 hour transatlantic! I would rather take my chances in a nicely spaced restaurant than in a tightly packed aircraft. Currently they are saying there is over 2000 cases of the UK variant in BC, how did that get here? .
Goal post moving much?
You said "Difficult to look at restaurants as an issue when so many other indoor places are open and functioning" and I contrasted the massive differences involved and now you're talking about where cases are coming from and packed aeroplanes.
I have seen numerous reports on local news about outbreaks and these have been, schools, hospitals, care homes, exposure on numerous flights but nothing from Restaurants
Maybe you need to pay more attention. How about the research that has shown that people with positive tests were 2 to 3 times as likely to have eaten out shortly before their positive tests than others?

Of course you can't say "I got covid at 9.15 pm sitting in Burger King last Tuesday" anymore than someone can say "I got it at 10.15am in Walmart last week" but for something that is known to be more likely to pass in close proximity to a source for an extended period some places are more likely than others.
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Old Mar 31st 2021, 12:27 am
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it seems not because we shouldn't be seeing outbreaks in carefully controlled places like care homes.
You really need to extend your news sources if you've heard nothing about care homes without adequate PPE and other matters like p/t staff working in different care homes enabling spread.
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Old Mar 31st 2021, 12:33 am
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You really need to extend your news sources if you've heard nothing about care homes without adequate PPE and other matters like p/t staff working in different care homes enabling spread.
Interesting piece on CBC saying Canadian care home Covid performance was worst amongst advanced economies. And that Quebec was able to improve it's performance under the second wave but the Prairies had worse performance. Covid does seem to really feed off the public's complacency. Whenever it doesn't spread (through measures or pure luck) the local public assumes "can't see it, it's not there". I sometimes wonder how the public/authorities can be that deluded.
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Worth a look in terms of how much we seem to have underestimated Covid-19 transmission potential via aerosol spread. I'd be surprised if Australia was the only place to have gotten it wrong.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-...tudy/100039258
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Worth a look in terms of how much we seem to have underestimated Covid-19 transmission potential via aerosol spread. I'd be surprised if Australia was the only place to have gotten it wrong.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-...tudy/100039258
I don't think I'm especially well read but none of this seems new.
There are a few figures in that report but essentially it's just confirmation of the kind of thing well reported in any decent newspaper or news resource over the past year. Even the daily mail has regularly covered stuff like it.
Here's one from August last year
More signs airborne coronavirus can infect you: Hospital discovers contagious virus particles floating 16 FEET away from patients
But a new study from the University of Florida has confirmed that these droplets don't just contain bits of genetic material, but are actually infectious.

Air samples collected from a hospital room found contagious virus particles between seven feet and 16 feet away from patients lying in their beds.

The latter is much greater distance than the six feet guidelines recommended by public health experts to help prevent the spread of COVID-19.
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Worth a look in terms of how much we seem to have underestimated Covid-19 transmission potential via aerosol spread. I'd be surprised if Australia was the only place to have gotten it wrong.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-...tudy/100039258
That's an excellent article. Why wasn't this kind of research/info out there a year ago (once we got wind of severe respiratory infection coming).

I guess I'll continue to get dirty looks from joggers when I move well out of their way.
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WTF are you serious ? Were they wearing shields ?
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What???? My husband was in the ER here in Toronto 3 weeks ago. Everyone wore masks. Patients had to removed their own masks and wear hospital provided masks

Surprised me, I had expected 100% mask compliance in a hospital but the times I have gone, many without masks, especially the admin workers doing the checking in and registration and such but at least some nurses (I assume they were nurses since they were putting an IV into me) don't wear masks at all times.

Heck even when I went to the urgent care that is doing COVID testing, all the admin workers doing the check in had no masks on working in close proximity to one another, the nurses doing the actual tests though had masks on.

I get why patients may have to take their masks off, but workers should 100% being wearing masks 100% of the time but that wasn't my experience in the times I have gone to the hospital or urgent care.



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I was in hospital 9 days and everybody was masked up. Every time I go back to see the surgeon everyone is masked up, and I go to a physio clinic twice a week and everyone there is masked as well. They hired a young man just to take temps and ask covid screening questions at the door, and to wipe down the waiting room chairs between patients. Our lockdown of restaurants and bars has been extended from Apr 5 to Apr 12 in order to try to stem variants cases. There are exposures at restaurants and stores as seen in this bulletin. A part time cook at the Serbian Club tested positive so the 3 waitresses who had been picking up orders from him were sent home to self monitor.


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Originally Posted by Shard
That's an excellent article. Why wasn't this kind of research/info out there a year ago (once we got wind of severe respiratory infection coming).

I guess I'll continue to get dirty looks from joggers when I move well out of their way.
I thought it was. It was my understanding anyway from what was being said and written here in NZ.

You do right , so blow the joggers.
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I don't think I'm especially well read but none of this seems new.
There are a few figures in that report but essentially it's just confirmation of the kind of thing well reported in any decent newspaper or news resource over the past year. Even the daily mail has regularly covered stuff like it.
The "few figures in the report" are really the whole point of it. It takes a broad conceptual finding (e.g. per the DM article you reference, "Last month [i.e. July 2020], the WHO formally recognized that SARS-CoV-2, the official name of the virus, can be carried by aerosols."), and expands on it in two critical dimensions:
  • Through controlled experimentation, it provides some quantification of the human production of aerosols in different contexts (e.g. coughing vs talking vs deep breathing)
  • It provides fresh insight into which medical treatment contexts provide relatively greater or lesser Covid-19 aerosol transmission risks for front-line medical personnel
Dry stuff when put that way, I suppose. But to the extent that it provides an evidentiary basis to drive changes in "best clinical practice", for reducing Covid-19 transmission risks for front-line medical workers, it's relevant, timely, and useful.
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Here's our provincial update. It would be nice to see that graph start trending down again.

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The "few figures in the report" are really the whole point of it. It takes a broad conceptual finding (e.g. per the DM article you reference,
The point I was trying to make was that the report was the same as many reported studies last year that also had detail and figures. The mail article I referenced was simply to show that less reliable sources had even covered such research and, as such, none of the information should come as a surprise.
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