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BristolUK Feb 17th 2022 2:40 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 13095312)
None of that changes my view and I suspect that, as more and more data emerges, the narrative that "the only way to protect yourself is to get vaccinated" will change too, particularly if the science is actually put front and centre.

I'm not surprised your view doesn't change.
When the CDC describes it as "vaccination is still the safest way to protect oneself" (their actual statement) and you misrepresent it as "the only way to protect yourself is to get vaccinated" (your version of the narrative) hopefully this tells others to take what you say with a pinch of salt or at least double check your claims.

Almost Canadian Feb 17th 2022 3:07 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 13095339)
I'm not surprised your view doesn't change.
When the CDC describes it as "vaccination is still the safest way to protect oneself" (their actual statement) and you misrepresent it as "the only way to protect yourself is to get vaccinated" (your version of the narrative) hopefully this tells others to take what you say with a pinch of salt or at least double check your claims.

I have never stated that the CDC said anything. I merely pointed to the CDC's data.

I doubt that anyone that has listened to politicians in Canada since the time that vaccines became available would seriously argue that Canadian society has been told, repeatedly, what I stated above. Once again, you are using your usual tactics of putting words into my mouth. You will, likely, turn to your other tactic of accusing me of "wriggling" next.

BristolUK Feb 17th 2022 3:25 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 13095344)
I have never stated that the CDC said anything. I merely pointed to the CDC's data.

I doubt that anyone that has listened to politicians in Canada since the time that vaccines became available would seriously argue that Canadian society has been told, repeatedly, what I stated above. Once again, you are using your usual tactics of putting words into my mouth. You will, likely, turn to your other tactic of accusing me of "wriggling" next.

:lol:
You mean the words you actually used in your posts. In the order I quoted them. With links to where you used them.

Dear me. Those words are there for all to see.

Paul_Shepherd Feb 18th 2022 10:40 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 13095115)
Yes, but past tense, no?

Things have changed so when you ask "what is the alternative?" that means now, rather than than then. So what is it you are unable to now?

Is it? You can't go to a restaurant or bar?

It's my understanding that from tomorrow Ontario is
  • Increasing social gathering limits to 50 people indoors and 100 people outdoors.
  • Removing capacity limits at places like Restaurants, bars and other food or drink establishments without dance facilities, Cinemas, Meeting and event spaces, including conference centres or convention centres, Casinos, bingo halls and other gaming establishments
So that means that you can currently have social gatherings, go to restaurants, bars, cinema etc.

How does that prevent my stepdaughter coming home from work daily with the virus? If she's been exposed and infected it could be days before anything shows up on a test and it's too late by then.

What do we do, tell her she has to move out?


I don't know why you keep saying this. There are barely any restrictions left and those left are shortly to be removed.
For Ontario there's another big step in a couple of weeks.

I'm happy for measures to be eased, just not too much too soon, like the UK.


Yes.....past tense... up until what is about to change today and in the next couple of weeks, with lifting of some of these restrictions. Its been a long time to have these latest ones imposed upon us.... well feels like it,
I haveb't been to local pub in months, I tried twice to get in, 50% capacity couldn't get in

I understand your situation with your step daughter that is a tricky one, but in the same token you must see that we cant be locked down for ever, things are easing now at last, hopefully this is the light at the end of the tunnel we have all been waiting form and not just another false hope, if there is another variant, I hope its even weaker and even less threatening than omicron, so that we don't have impose restrictions again. If the pattern of previous pandemics are anythng to go by, it will be. They sau that there are still variants of the Spanish flu around today, I think that will be same with Covid, its never going to go away, it will just be at a threat level we can live along side without locking down anymore. Heres hoping!!


Shard Feb 18th 2022 1:46 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 13094678)
Is it known how many people in the UK have yet to catch the virus? In light of the recent numbers of cases, combined with the numbers in the last 2 years, it can't be that many.

The way they forecast virus risk is not by looking at past numbers. They look at the level of immunity in the population and the transmissibility of whatever variant is circulating. Immunity depends on vaccination and natural antibodies. Immunity wanes over time, but that too is something which is being studied. It will be interesting to find out whether a fourth booster will be required.

BristolUK Feb 18th 2022 1:47 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 13095530)
I understand your situation with your step daughter that is a tricky one, but in the same token you must see that we cant be locked down for ever

Of course. But we're not locked down, that's the thing. We're some way on from that now. If people had been offered what they can do now a year ago I'm sure they'd have signed away their souls for it :lol:


...Covid, its never going to go away, it will just be at a threat level we can live along side without locking down anymore. Heres hoping!!
:fingerscrossed:
I'm still in favour of masks, for now, in places where people are mixing with different people - shops, medical places etc but I don't envy those wearing them. Yesterday I went for a blood test. They make you swap the one you're wearing for one they give you at the hospital here. It was quick in and out, I got into a taxi to go to the supermarket and an hour after donning the new mask I was nearly throwing up with the heat and difficulty breathing! I've no idea why it was that bad, it's only the second time in about 30 similar trips.

I hope people who don't have the choice I have can at least go somewhere and take a break, gulping some fresh air in.

Almost Canadian Feb 18th 2022 2:42 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 13095568)
The way they forecast virus risk is not by looking at past numbers. They look at the level of immunity in the population and the transmissibility of whatever variant is circulating. Immunity depends on vaccination and natural antibodies. Immunity wanes over time, but that too is something which is being studied. It will be interesting to find out whether a fourth booster will be required.

I appreciate how it works. IIRC, a city in the UK, Liverpool I believe, tested virtually everyone for antibodies to see who had, and who had not, been infected. If memory serves me correctly, way more people than the models had proposed had and with each variant being more transmissible than the prior, I suspect that there are very few that don't have some form of immunity, waning or not.

Shard Feb 18th 2022 2:46 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 13095592)
I appreciate how it works. IIRC, a city in the UK, Liverpool I believe, tested virtually everyone for antibodies to see who had, and who had not, been infected. If memory serves me correctly, way more people than the models had proposed had and with each variant being more transmissible than the prior, I suspect that there are very few that don't have some form of immunity, waning or not.

Most do have immunity, otherwise the government wouldn't be letting the virus rip through the remainder. Vaccination rate is high in the UK, otherwise this would not be possible.

bats Feb 18th 2022 8:49 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 13095570)
Of course. But we're not locked down, that's the thing. We're some way on from that now. If people had been offered what they can do now a year ago I'm sure they'd have signed away their souls for it :lol:


:fingerscrossed:
I'm still in favour of masks, for now, in places where people are mixing with different people - shops, medical places etc but I don't envy those wearing them. Yesterday I went for a blood test. They make you swap the one you're wearing for one they give you at the hospital here. It was quick in and out, I got into a taxi to go to the supermarket and an hour after donning the new mask I was nearly throwing up with the heat and difficulty breathing! I've no idea why it was that bad, it's only the second time in about 30 similar trips.

I hope people who don't have the choice I have can at least go somewhere and take a break, gulping some fresh air in.

I've started wearing an N95 mask due to a fairly recent nasty diagnosis, it is harder to breathe with it on and does make me more breathless but then I don't want to risk any infection when I was at the hospital today they gave me one off their masks to wear but said I could wear it over the N95, which I did. Definitely problematic talking and breathing at tge same time and it does make you steamy..

In olden days when I was working i would sometimes be wearing, lead apron, hat, masks, two pairs of gloves, paper gown, while positioning the X ray machine, cassette, and lifting the patient.

BristolUK Feb 18th 2022 10:10 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 13095739)
In olden days when I was working i would sometimes be wearing, lead apron, hat, masks, two pairs of gloves, paper gown, while positioning the X ray machine, cassette, and lifting the patient.

Apart from the x-ray machine that sounds more like Body disposal by acid bath. :ohmy:

bats Feb 18th 2022 10:32 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 13095755)
Apart from the x-ray machine that sounds more like Body disposal by acid bath. :ohmy:

The machine was a diversion ;)
So glad I didn't have to work during COVID

printer Feb 18th 2022 10:48 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 13095570)
Of course. But we're not locked down, that's the thing. We're some way on from that now. If people had been offered what they can do now a year ago I'm sure they'd have signed away their souls for it :lol:


:fingerscrossed:
I'm still in favour of masks, for now, in places where people are mixing with different people - shops, medical places etc but I don't envy those wearing them. Yesterday I went for a blood test. They make you swap the one you're wearing for one they give you at the hospital here. It was quick in and out, I got into a taxi to go to the supermarket and an hour after donning the new mask I was nearly throwing up with the heat and difficulty breathing! I've no idea why it was that bad, it's only the second time in about 30 similar trips.

I hope people who don't have the choice I have can at least go somewhere and take a break, gulping some fresh air in.

And then there are pictures coming out of China with hotel servers wearing complete hazmat suits, gloves and booties while waiting at tables during the Olympics. Apart from the comfort aspect i cannot imagine enjoying a dinner while these guys are walking round dressed as if a nerve gas had been leaked. There are many medical staff who may be used to wearing one for extended periods of time but those in retail and grocery stores are certainly not used to wearing one for their whole shift every day (apart from short breaks) This is really something only operating theatre staff were used to prior to 2020.
Went to our hospital a while back and using the entrance attached to the parkade we faced a lady with COVID questions and were given a mask. Then she asks what dept and says "oh no you need the other entrance" so off we go to be greeted by another lady with same questions and told to take a mask, we said these are new we got them at the other entrance and she said "sorry you have to take another" Hope they get a good deal on the price from their supplier. :unsure:

Jingsamichty Feb 21st 2022 8:37 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
It's being reported that following her COVID diagnosis, the Queen is still working on "light duties". I'm sorry, but what does that mean? She's a 96 year old woman, it's not as if her job is lifting the bins or stripping the beds.

Atlantic Xpat Feb 21st 2022 1:37 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 13096143)
It's being reported that following her COVID diagnosis, the Queen is still working on "light duties". I'm sorry, but what does that mean? She's a 96 year old woman, it's not as if her job is lifting the bins or stripping the beds.

Slimline tonic in her G&T's?

BristolUK Feb 21st 2022 1:57 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 13096143)
It's being reported that following her COVID diagnosis, the Queen is still working on "light duties".


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...89e9e88011.gif


Danny B Feb 24th 2022 5:33 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
COVID, masks and vaccines seem like a blur now. That was so last year.
Our newest threat is what the Russians will do to any country who dares to intervene.

dbd33 Feb 24th 2022 5:57 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 13096214)


That was my first job as a kid. Shabbos Goy.

Almost Canadian Feb 24th 2022 6:07 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 13097327)
COVID, masks and vaccines seem like a blur now. That was so last year.
Our newest threat is what the Russians will do to any country who dares to intervene.

It's at times like this I wish I could fit into my old fatigues. Oh, to be able to go toe to toe with spetsnaz again!

Revin Kevin Feb 24th 2022 6:57 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
[QUOTE=Danny B;13097327]COVID, masks and vaccines seem like a blur now./QUOTE]
​​​​​​Always was to most people!
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Danny B Feb 25th 2022 5:13 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 13097340)
It's at times like this I wish I could fit into my old fatigues. Oh, to be able to go toe to toe with spetsnaz again!

How many vacation days do you have left? :(

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/worl...kraine-2519951


Revin Kevin Feb 25th 2022 5:25 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 13097636)
How many vacation days do you have left? :(

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/worl...kraine-2519951

I'd ask for cash up front, don't think Zelenskyy will be arround much longer!

Revin Kevin Feb 25th 2022 5:54 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 12795704)
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...e9e6d536a8.png
Alibaba's new Coronavirus collection. Use promo code: wereallgoingtonaffingdie for an extra 20% off.

Been in vogue a while - Calgary Airport December 2021 😁

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...9cee05e62d.jpg


Danny B Mar 2nd 2022 1:06 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
The narrative will be changing to this soon.

Killed "by" radiation or killed "with" radiation? Remember radiation kills those with comorbidities first.

BristolUK Mar 10th 2022 1:52 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
UK Covid cases rising among those aged 55 and over
Covid rising in older people...waning effectiveness of vaccines as they had them earlier than younger ones...whose time may come later...
Cases rising in 55 and upwards so stop thinking as if it's 70s and 80s...
The R value at 55 and up is significantly greater...
A 46% rise week on week - despite reduced testing
A 12% rise in hospitalisations

Prof Paul Elliott, director of the React study, said the rise was probably driven by factors including the lifting of all Covid legal restrictions in England on 24 February, more mixing between age groups
Now there's a surprise.

One idea experts are investigating is whether hospitalisation rates are being driven by “unshielding”, where people who have been extremely careful for two years have emerged into a world where infections are still rife.
...and...

Professor Peter Openshaw said the rise in cases and hospitalisations should remind people the pandemic is not over. “I think it’s a shame that the message that seems to have got out to the population is that it’s all over and we don’t need to be cautious any more,” he said.

Danny B Mar 11th 2022 6:40 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
This new variant 'Deltacron' sounds like something out of a Transformers movie.

BristolUK Mar 22nd 2022 7:23 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Amid the latest reports that around 40% Covid "survivors" have long covid - even if they only had mild symptoms - I was interested in the local paper's round up of what's happened in places where mandates have been ended..

Denmark. First EU country. Mandates ended 1st Feb.
By Feb 17th hospitalisations and deaths rose by a third. Between 1st and now, 7-day average deaths went 19 to 44. Hospital numbers 975 up to 1524.

UK. Mandates ended 24th Feb. Hospital admissions up 19% since last week. 7-day average deaths was 127, now 153.

Saskatchewan. First Canadian province. Mandates ended 28th Feb.
Fewer hospitalisations but more deaths.

More deaths seems to be a constant. It seems strange that in Saskatchewan there were more deaths but fewer hospitalisations. What happened, did ill people not get to hospital in time? :unsure:

BristolUK Mar 25th 2022 3:32 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
New Brunswick News.

Vaccination rates slow down in New Brunswick as COVID-19 cases remain high

According to the latest figures released from Public Health, just 51 per cent of those eligible have received their booster shot. It lags far behind Nova Scotia, which has 63.4 per cent of the eligible population with boosters as of March 22.

Health Minister Dorothy Shephard told reporters outside the legislature Wednesday, she's not sure why vaccine rates are stalling.

"I don't think it's because we dropped all the rules. I think it's because...I guess there's a complacency. I can't think of any other way to explain it because we have made it very clear that vaccination is the very best tool to prevent serious illness, hospitalization, ICU admission and death, those numbers have proven out all through this pandemic," Shephard said.
I don't suppose it occurred to her that maybe, just maybe, complacency set in because all the rules were dropped. Nah, that couldn't be it. :rolleyes:

Jake Reid, the executive director of the New Brunswick Pharmacists' Association, says "Now more than ever, as we see the lessening of restrictions, people need to get that vaccine. We're seeing increased rates of COVID in the population, we're seeing more people go into hospital and unfortunately more people are losing their lives"

Danny B Mar 25th 2022 4:45 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Nothing to see here :blink:


Swab tests suggest about one in every 16 people is infected, as the contagious Omicron variant BA.2 continues to spread.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-60872687

Shard Mar 26th 2022 7:03 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 13103694)
Nothing to see here :blink:



https://www.bbc.com/news/health-60872687

There are certainly very few paying attention (including myself).

BristolUK Mar 26th 2022 11:45 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 13103829)
There are certainly very few paying attention (including myself).

For anyone not clicking the link...

Swab tests suggest about one in every 16 people is infected, as the contagious Omicron variant BA.2 continues to spread.

That's just under 4.3 million people, up from 3.3 million the week before.
Nothing to see in a
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...0e196cbd4b.jpg sort of way


Shard Mar 26th 2022 12:50 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 13103891)
For anyone not clicking the link...
Nothing to see in a
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...0e196cbd4b.jpg sort of way

I had clicked the clink and was unpleasantly surpirised (at the updated stats). But at the same time, there is just so much apathy and (more accurately) risk taking. Few are wearing masks, social distance is a bygone practice, and summer is on the way. I think that the downside of removing mask mandates (leaving aside the effectivness argument) is that it signals all is ok. If you look at Asia, even India, everyone's wearing masks in intense heat in order to minimise spread and potential spread. Western countries are far more ready expend some unfortunate seniors in order to dispense with incovenient masks. It comes down to that, really.

BristolUK Mar 26th 2022 2:48 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 13103907)
...Western countries are far more ready expend some unfortunate seniors in order to dispense with incovenient masks. It comes down to that, really.

It does look that way, without anyone actually saying it of course.

I'm not sure where it was but I heard a radio report mentioning something like a quarter of deaths were under 65s.

According to this for Canada, of the 36,594 deaths, 3921 are in the 60-69 range. Add in the younger ones 2638 and you get approaching one in five under 70. Or just make it one in seven deaths are under 60. Doesn't look so comforting then.
For the USA, it's one in four deaths were under 65 so that was maybe what I heard.

Not so easy for the UK but I see that the original 75% of deaths over 75 has fallen to 59% which indicates death rates for under 75s have increased from 25% to 41%. Of course they're still well into seniorhood but some of those at the younger age have likely seen their chances worsen.

Shard Mar 26th 2022 2:54 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 13103931)
It does look that way, without anyone actually saying it of course.

I'm not sure where it was but I heard a radio report mentioning something like a quarter of deaths were under 65s.

According to this for Canada, of the 36,594 deaths, 3921 are in the 60-69 range. Add in the younger ones 2638 and you get approaching one in five under 70. Or just make it one in seven deaths are under 60. Doesn't look so comforting then.
For the USA, it's one in four deaths were under 65 so that was maybe what I heard.

Not so easy for the UK but I see that the original 75% of deaths over 75 has fallen to 59% which indicates death rates for under 75s have increased from 25% to 41%. Of course they're still well into seniorhood but some of those at the younger age have likely seen their chances worsen.

Thanks for those stats. I have a feeling that media shies away from the highlighting the age profile of Covid deaths because it will only reinforce the attitude of those under 40 to not care. The stats are there and referenced, but discussed in a vague manner.

printer Mar 27th 2022 1:44 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 13103907)
I had clicked the clink and was unpleasantly surpirised (at the updated stats). But at the same time, there is just so much apathy and (more accurately) risk taking. Few are wearing masks, social distance is a bygone practice, and summer is on the way. I think that the downside of removing mask mandates (leaving aside the effectivness argument) is that it signals all is ok. If you look at Asia, even India, everyone's wearing masks in intense heat in order to minimise spread and potential spread. Western countries are far more ready expend some unfortunate seniors in order to dispense with incovenient masks. It comes down to that, really.

But the problem was that mask mandates only have an effect where they are in forced and enforced. We know that in order to keep the wheels of industry rolling there were allowances made, such as in restaurants, bars and of course more importantly in peoples private homes. People could meet up in groups and sit unmasked together for 2 hours or so and then head home to their possibly multigenerational household and mix unmasked with the family and any friends that popped in. The possibility of spreading the virus with the latest variants was huge. We know that closing down any places where unmasked people could congregate was causing great pain to those businesses and so they put in some capacity limits and hoped this would be seen as a good compromise. On the plus side considering the stats the hospitals are not full of dying or ventilated people and the health service is not closed to anything but COVID as it was back in earlier times. Would the reinstatement of a mask mandate have any real effect on the numbers with this current variant?
Would popping your mask on to walk to your restaurant table really and truly make a blind bit of difference?

Shard Mar 27th 2022 8:46 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by printer (Post 13104035)
But the problem was that mask mandates only have an effect where they are in forced and enforced. We know that in order to keep the wheels of industry rolling there were allowances made, such as in restaurants, bars and of course more importantly in peoples private homes. People could meet up in groups and sit unmasked together for 2 hours or so and then head home to their possibly multigenerational household and mix unmasked with the family and any friends that popped in. The possibility of spreading the virus with the latest variants was huge. We know that closing down any places where unmasked people could congregate was causing great pain to those businesses and so they put in some capacity limits and hoped this would be seen as a good compromise. On the plus side considering the stats the hospitals are not full of dying or ventilated people and the health service is not closed to anything but COVID as it was back in earlier times. Would the reinstatement of a mask mandate have any real effect on the numbers with this current variant?
Would popping your mask on to walk to your restaurant table really and truly make a blind bit of difference?

Would it make a blind bit of difference? It might, as nonsensical as that seems. We can smell garlic, tobacco, alcohol from passersby, so it's not inconceivable that a contagious airborne particle could spread better without masks. However, I'm not necessarily advocating that. A balance has to be struck. We don't want to live our lives in Saran wrap.

My point was that in signalling an "all clear" (masks are up to you) the pendulum swings too far in the other direction. Hardly anyone wears masks, and the virus spreads (killing the old). Even for me, someone fairly risk averse on Covid, I rarely wear a mask. It's not that I want to, but I would be reluctantly willing to if others were. I bet I am not alone.



dbd33 Mar 27th 2022 11:09 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 13104070)
Would it make a blind bit of difference? It might, as nonsensical as that seems. We can smell garlic, tobacco, alcohol from passersby, so it's not inconceivable that a contagious airborne particle could spread better without masks. However, I'm not necessarily advocating that. A balance has to be struck. We don't want to live our lives in Saran wrap.

My point was that in signalling an "all clear" (masks are up to you) the pendulum swings too far in the other direction. Hardly anyone wears masks, and the virus spreads (killing the old). Even for me, someone fairly risk averse on Covid, I rarely wear a mask. It's not that I want to, but I would be reluctantly willing to if others were. I bet I am not alone.


FWIW, most people I saw out and about yesterday were in masks. Some shops require masks.

Shard Mar 27th 2022 11:42 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 13104090)
FWIW, most people I saw out and about yesterday were in masks. Some shops require masks.

Adherence does differ by locale and by demographics. England doesn't have shops requiring masks, except opticians that have NHS service agreements.

dbd33 Mar 27th 2022 11:58 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 13104095)
Adherence does differ by locale and by demographics. England doesn't have shops requiring masks, except opticians that have NHS service agreements.

The interesting case here is Home Depot. Masks are not required but the staff wear them and there are constant announcements asking customers to wear them. Everyone I saw was wearing one. Home Depot is owned by Trumpists.

Shard Mar 27th 2022 12:06 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 13104103)
The interesting case here is Home Depot. Masks are not required but the staff wear them and there are constant announcements asking customers to wear them. Everyone I saw was wearing one. Home Depot is owned by Trumpists.

Yes, that's interesting. Maybe older staff in HD? And given the dimensions of an HD (high ceilings etc) it's probably a low risk environment.

BristolUK Mar 27th 2022 2:15 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by printer (Post 13104035)
People could meet up in groups and sit unmasked together for 2 hours or so and then head home to their possibly multigenerational household and mix unmasked with the family and any friends that popped in. The possibility of spreading the virus with the latest variants was huge.

No,not huge. The immediate possibility of spreading the virus was limited to that very small group of people sitting unmasked for two hours. That was a small group and a small risk compared to everyone not wearing a mask anywhere and everyone potentially spreading it.

On the plus side considering the stats the hospitals are not full of dying or ventilated people and the health service is not closed to anything but COVID as it was back in earlier times.
Those earlier times being when there were no vaccines and only partial vaccination numbers until they grew to present levels.
And now, the stats are showing very high numbers of deaths and hospitalisations again - with negative impacts on non covid patients. I don't know why people are playing this down. I must have posted several times here about the UK daily death figures in January 2022 that were higher than any single day since February 2021.



Originally Posted by Shard (Post 13104070)
...in signalling an "all clear" (masks are up to you) the pendulum swings too far in the other direction.

:nod:


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