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Siouxie Jul 27th 2020 5:27 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12887231)
A comparison with Montreal and Toronto is interesting. Montreal's population is about two-thirds that of Toronto.
For population density per km2 Montreal is 3,889 and Toronto 4,334.
Montreal has a slightly smaller population density but has over 28,000 cases as opposed to Toronto's 15,000.

Is a crowded subway to blame? According to wiki, Toronto subway ridership is 1.58m while Montreal's is 1.367m. So even with that Montreal's figure is lower.

What are the reasons for Montreal having nearly twice as many cases?

There was a direct train from New York to Montreal running daily... perhaps they received an influx of US visitors prior to lockdown of the border... https://www.newyorkcity.ca/taking-a-...l-to-new-york/
https://www.amtrak.com/adirondack-train

BristolUK Jul 27th 2020 6:02 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12888170)
There was a direct train from New York to Montreal running daily... perhaps they received an influx of US visitors prior to lockdown of the border...

Good shout...as good a reason as any.

It only took one person to increase NB's figures by 30%

Jsmth321 Jul 27th 2020 6:05 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
I believe Quebec also had their spring break earlier than many parts of Canada just before NY and other places went down the tubes, and saw a fair amount of young people travelling for spring break to places like Florida. I imagine college age students who travelled on spring break also brought back the virus.

By the time spring break for example happened in BC, things were better known, restrictions in place, and non-essential travel discouraged and the border restricted etc etc, so nobody really was able to travel for spring break.

Jsmth321 Jul 27th 2020 11:37 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
81 new cases over the weekend, 81 over a 3 day period.

A community outbreak has been declared in Abbotsford at Fraser Valley Packing which pack blueberries, 15 have tested positive so far.

BC at a turning point, residents asked to pull back on social interactions and recommit to social distancing.

Haida Gwaii now up to 14 cases all linked to residents and off island travel. (there were some talk last week it was tourists but appears it was residents leaving the island and returning)

Outbreak in Kelowna continues to grow, cases linked to Kelowna up to 86, over 1,000 people in self isolation province wide.

Okanagan has had 107 positive tests between July 10 and July 23.

During the same period, 58 people were diagnosed south of the Fraser River, 49 in Vancouver and four in Richmond.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...y-27-1.5663897


Seems this area in Kelowna and related is the hot spot.


Pulaski Jul 27th 2020 11:47 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12888309)
81 new cases over the weekend, 81 over a 3 day period.

A community outbreak has been declared in Abbotsford at Fraser Valley Packing which pack blueberries, 15 have tested positive so far.

BC at a turning point, residents asked to pull back on social interactions and recommit to social distancing.

Haida Gwaii now up to 14 cases all linked to residents and off island travel. (there were some talk last week it was tourists but appears it was residents leaving the island and returning)

Outbreak in Kelowna continues to grow, cases linked to Kelowna up to 86, over 1,000 people in self isolation province wide.

Okanagan has had 107 positive tests between July 10 and July 23.

During the same period, 58 people were diagnosed south of the Fraser River, 49 in Vancouver and four in Richmond.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...y-27-1.5663897

Seems this area in Kelowna and related is the hot spot.

I'm sorry to hear that, but really not at all surprised.

It is clearly difficult to keep people's attention when the numbers are low and people think there is "no risk", so they refuse to take the pandemic seriously, drop their guard, (if it was ever in fact "up" :rolleyes: ) and, well, then all this happens. ^ :(

Jsmth321 Jul 27th 2020 11:49 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Additional exposures linked to flights.

Aero Mexico 696 Mexico City to Vancouver on July 15 and 17

Air Canada 111 Toronto to Vancouver on July 13

Air Canada 8073 Vancouver to Victoria July 13

Air Canada 311 Montreal to Vancouver July 13




Jsmth321 Jul 27th 2020 11:56 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12888313)
I'm sorry to hear that, but really not at all surprised.

It is clearly difficult to keep people's attention when the numbers are low and people think there is "no risk", so they refuse to take the pandemic seriously, drop their guard, (if it was ever in fact "up" :rolleyes: ) and, well, then all this happens. ^ :(

For sure, the amount of times I have heard people say, oh we are not that bad, well low amount of cases can quickly become a big amount of cases if precautions are thrown out.

spouse of scouse Jul 28th 2020 12:01 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12888317)
For sure, the amount of times I have heard people say, oh we are not that bad, well low amount of cases and quickly become a big amount of cases if precautions are thrown out.

Exactly. Case in point, the state of Victoria in Oz.

printer Jul 28th 2020 5:50 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12888309)
81 new cases over the weekend, 81 over a 3 day period.

A community outbreak has been declared in Abbotsford at Fraser Valley Packing which pack blueberries, 15 have tested positive so far.

BC at a turning point, residents asked to pull back on social interactions and recommit to social distancing.

Haida Gwaii now up to 14 cases all linked to residents and off island travel. (there were some talk last week it was tourists but appears it was residents leaving the island and returning)

Outbreak in Kelowna continues to grow, cases linked to Kelowna up to 86, over 1,000 people in self isolation province wide.

Okanagan has had 107 positive tests between July 10 and July 23.

During the same period, 58 people were diagnosed south of the Fraser River, 49 in Vancouver and four in Richmond.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...y-27-1.5663897


Seems this area in Kelowna and related is the hot spot.

Yes and i noticed that downtown was quieter on Saturday than i would have expected yet beaches everywhere this weekend were packed, today also. Lots of people out and about, lots of boats on the water, lots of out of province cars/campers, lots of people on patios and i'm sure the pubs and restaurants at night have been doing well considering the recent outbreak.
Yet look at the figures for Canada as a whole, 400 odd infections listed today, i'm assuming that a weekend count yet only 11 deaths, out of a country with 37 million people. We must be doing something right no?

abner Jul 28th 2020 6:18 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by plasticcanuck (Post 12800907)
I foresee the day when many nations of the world will have permanent isolation/containment camps, each with its own airfield/hospital facilities. Then sufferers of such medical conditions as this virus can be transported home and more easily quarantined and reducing exposure risks to other members of society.

And they'll be incredibly well managed, just like those in Victoria, Australia, have been recently. :hysterical:

Oh wait, that's the source of the second wave there, sorry.

abner Jul 28th 2020 12:59 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 12888323)
Exactly. Case in point, the state of Victoria in Oz.

To be clear, though, Victoria's failing was not from reducing restrictions too early. The VIC state government had gone harder and earlier into lockdown than most of the rest of Australia, and had copped some criticism for that. And when VIC started to lighten up on restrictions, their late-May, early-June new-case counts did actually seem to support that approach.

The VIC government's real failure was setting up the circumstances for a COVID-19 breakout from potentially-infected overseas returnees, inadequately policed by inadequately-trained and supervised contract security workers, within the quarantine hotels.

This same dynamic had occurred before within the "developed" world, e.g. it manifested in Singapore before it occurred in Victoria, Australia. "The government" rushes in to support the incomes of those who were previously in secure work (to be sure, for a good reason in that context, to maintain their consumer demand and avoid tanking that part of the economy) but then does nothing for those in "insecure" work, a.k.a. the "gig economy".

So the insecure workers keep working, regardless of their immediate health status. And they branch out into new insecure work opportunities, like security work at quarantine hotels. And they come home to households in high-rise public housing, and to family members who have equally insecure work in aged-care facilities.

And then the second wave starts happening, with everyone from the Victorian premier on down blaming those who live hand-to-mouth for going to work when they're sick.

spouse of scouse Jul 28th 2020 2:17 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by abner (Post 12888488)
To be clear, though, Victoria's failing was not from reducing restrictions too early. The VIC state government had gone harder and earlier into lockdown than most of the rest of Australia, and had copped some criticism for that. And when VIC started to lighten up on restrictions, their late-May, early-June new-case counts did actually seem to support that approach.

The VIC government's real failure was setting up the circumstances for a COVID-19 breakout from potentially-infected overseas returnees, inadequately policed by inadequately-trained and supervised contract security workers, within the quarantine hotels.

This same dynamic had occurred before within the "developed" world, e.g. it manifested in Singapore before it occurred in Victoria, Australia. "The government" rushes in to support the incomes of those who were previously in secure work (to be sure, for a good reason in that context, to maintain their consumer demand and avoid tanking that part of the economy) but then does nothing for those in "insecure" work, a.k.a. the "gig economy".

So the insecure workers keep working, regardless of their immediate health status. And they branch out into new insecure work opportunities, like security work at quarantine hotels. And they come home to households in high-rise public housing, and to family members who have equally insecure work in aged-care facilities.

And then the second wave starts happening, with everyone from the Victorian premier on down blaming those who live hand-to-mouth for going to work when they're sick.

Yep, I know the circumstances in Victoria and I certainly don't blame anyone. Was just making the point that we can't afford to think we can drop our guard just because we've done ok up to now.

Danny B Jul 28th 2020 10:26 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
What we need is a bunch of these specially trained COVID detector dogs at the arrival hall of all major intl airports.

Apparently they had a 94% detection rate, here is one of the little buggers in action

https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.c...79-020-05281-3

These preliminary findings indicate that trained detection dogs can identify respiratory secretion samples from hospitalised and clinically diseased SARS-CoV-2 infected individuals by discriminating between samples from SARS-CoV-2 infected patients and negative controls. This data may form the basis for the reliable screening method of SARS-CoV-2 infected people.

Jsmth321 Jul 29th 2020 12:14 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
First time since March 17th there have been less than 10 people in hospital with COVID, 9 as of today's update.

23 more cases in the last 24 hours, 1 additional death.

Shard Jul 29th 2020 1:05 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12888868)
First time since March 17th there have been less than 10 people in hospital with COVID, 9 as of today's update.

23 more cases in the last 24 hours, 1 additional death.

Just following loosely. So in BC, the cases are starting to rise, but the hospitalized are currently low. Is that the status?


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