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Shard Jul 10th 2020 2:26 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12879586)
People buy eggs with cash. I put the cash in the car wash machine.

When will we ever get the technology where we can put eggs into the car wash machine directly ?!

dbd33 Jul 10th 2020 3:15 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12879609)
When will we ever get the technology where we can put eggs into the car wash machine directly ?!

Some people buy their eggs by email payment which is auto-deposited to an account I can use for contactless payment to the car wash so that nearly works Unfortunately the bank charges for the auto-deposit exceed the price of the eggs so it's not a financially attractive option unless you're the bank.

scrubbedexpat091 Jul 10th 2020 4:33 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12879560)
Anyone been spending cash?
I have the same bunch of $20 bills I got as cashback with groceries in March. :blink:

A couple of times when we sold something and they paid with cash, but we haven't made an effort to go the an ATM to get cash, we sometimes do cash back at Wal-Mart for $10 to get some coins though mainly for parking meters.

bats Jul 10th 2020 4:52 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12879446)
I disagree with you both. Sometimes judgements need to be made for the greater good. It would not be the healthcare system making the judgement, but the police and likely, the judicial system. In any case, the mere imposition is such a protocol would send a clear signal to violators that their action is deemed wrong by society.

I don't see why healthcare workers need to be put at mortal risk by people who willfully transmit an infectious disease. It's very different from the examples you cite.

As a good friend of mine would say " catch yerself on"

Turning someone away from Emergency or appointnentbbecause they are not wearing a mask is acceptable because the non masked are making a choice.
not treating someone because of their foolish decision is patently wrong. I certainly couldn't participate in a system that followed those rules. How can such callous behaviour be for the greater good? Woukd you have them coughing and sputtering and dying? Maybe the ditches littered with people ejected from MVAs who hasn't worn seatbelts or helmets? Oh and those smokers, just let them die.

infectious disease treatment benefits society regardless of how the infected acquired the disease.

printer Jul 10th 2020 5:45 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12879446)
I disagree with you both. Sometimes judgements need to be made for the greater good. It would not be the healthcare system making the judgement, but the police and likely, the judicial system. In any case, the mere imposition is such a protocol would send a clear signal to violators that their action is deemed wrong by society.

I don't see why healthcare workers need to be put at mortal risk by people who willfully transmit an infectious disease. It's very different from the examples you cite.

Come along to our hospital here in Kelowna and there is no mandate to wear a mask, that's in the hospital! Majority of staff are wearing one especially when treating people but i saw many people without, there is no sign asking you to put one on and i saw some staff members around the building not wearing them, albeit they were in hallways or offices BUT clearly if there is no specific requirement even in a hospital you can see why some people get a bit pissy about different rules in a store for example. There is currently, in BC anyway, no clear and concise agreement from all parties, even one of our glorious MP's was seen in airport without one. I don't think the rules in UK are any better either.

dbd33 Jul 10th 2020 5:57 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by printer (Post 12879707)
Come along to our hospital here in Kelowna and there is no mandate to wear a mask, that's in the hospital! Majority of staff are wearing one especially when treating people but i saw many people without, there is no sign asking you to put one on and i saw some staff members around the building not wearing them, albeit they were in hallways or offices BUT clearly if there is no specific requirement even in a hospital you can see why some people get a bit pissy about different rules in a store for example. There is currently, in BC anyway, no clear and concise agreement from all parties, even one of our glorious MP's was seen in airport without one. I don't think the rules in UK are any better either.


Costco management should run the country. Better health policies than BC hospitals, done more for the middle class standard of living than any government.

scrubbedexpat091 Jul 10th 2020 6:21 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
I haven't gone anywhere yet in Vancouver area where masks are required. The urgent care clinic yesterday I was at 90% of the workers had a mask on, but no sign mandating it, although the sign did say they recommend a mask be worn if possible. I was the only patient in the waiting room, so no idea if patients listen to the recommendation.

This is the BC CDC stance on masks for healthy people.

"If you are healthy, wearing a non-medical or cloth mask or face covering is a matter of personal choice and it might help to protect others. This is because some people can spread the virus when they have very mild symptoms or may not know that they are infected. In this case, wearing a mask can help protect others by containing your own droplets when talking, laughing, singing, coughing, or sneezing. Wearing a cloth mask might not protect you from COVID-19, but it is a good option in situations where you cannot keep a safe distance from others for an extended period of time, such as when you are on transit, getting a haircut or visiting someone indoors.


Any mask, no matter how good it is at catching droplets or how well it seals, will have minimal effect if it is not used together with other preventive measures, such as frequent hand washing and physical distancing.


It is important to treat people wearing masks with respect."



printer Jul 10th 2020 9:25 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12879720)
I haven't gone anywhere yet in Vancouver area where masks are required. The urgent care clinic yesterday I was at 90% of the workers had a mask on, but no sign mandating it, although the sign did say they recommend a mask be worn if possible. I was the only patient in the waiting room, so no idea if patients listen to the recommendation.

This is the BC CDC stance on masks for healthy people.

"If you are healthy, wearing a non-medical or cloth mask or face covering is a matter of personal choice and it might help to protect others. This is because some people can spread the virus when they have very mild symptoms or may not know that they are infected. In this case, wearing a mask can help protect others by containing your own droplets when talking, laughing, singing, coughing, or sneezing. Wearing a cloth mask might not protect you from COVID-19, but it is a good option in situations where you cannot keep a safe distance from others for an extended period of time, such as when you are on transit, getting a haircut or visiting someone indoors.


Any mask, no matter how good it is at catching droplets or how well it seals, will have minimal effect if it is not used together with other preventive measures, such as frequent hand washing and physical distancing.


It is important to treat people wearing masks with respect."

Someone commented on our local forum that she found that mask wearers don't seem to keep their distance like is recommended and she felt they were under the assumption that it was ok to stand on top of you so long as they had a mask on. Our doctors will not let anyone in without a mask but they seem to be in the minority as you say.

Jerseygirl Jul 10th 2020 9:35 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by printer (Post 12879778)
Someone commented on our local forum that she found that mask wearers don't seem to keep their distance like is recommended and she felt they were under the assumption that it was ok to stand on top of you so long as they had a mask on. Our doctors will not let anyone in without a mask but they seem to be in the minority as you say.

I generally find the opposite. Those not wearing a mask do not keep their distance.

scrubbedexpat091 Jul 10th 2020 9:39 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by printer (Post 12879778)
Someone commented on our local forum that she found that mask wearers don't seem to keep their distance like is recommended and she felt they were under the assumption that it was ok to stand on top of you so long as they had a mask on. Our doctors will not let anyone in without a mask but they seem to be in the minority as you say.

I have noticed the same, a good chunk of people wearing masks do not distance even though its possible to do so, in general things in Vancouver are back to normal, the only precautions super store has now is a bottle of hand sanitizer at the door, and they still space you at check out, but the rest of the store is crowded free for all.

Wal-Mart mostly took down their one way aisles, they left the floor stickers but took down all the barriers they had that forced you to go one way, at self check out there is 0 distancing, even their employees come right up 2 feet away and try to sign you up for their stupid credit card, Canadian Tire isn't any better, their employees and vast majority in the store do not distance, Home Depot today was the same.

I notice less and less distancing by the day, just saw 3 city workers cram into the cab of a truck, so doesn't seem that they are social distancing.

Those are the only stores I have been to recently, but that has been my experience the last couple weeks.

scrubbedexpat091 Jul 10th 2020 9:57 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Slowly recovering job wise in BC, unemployment fell 0.4% in June from 13.4% to 13%.

Gains in employment in May and June bring back about 40% of the total jobs lost since this started in March.

Youth unemployment at 29%



https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...2020-1.5644843

DigitalGhost Jul 10th 2020 10:20 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12879798)
Slowly recovering job wise in BC, unemployment fell 0.4% in June from 13.4% to 13%.

Gains in employment in May and June bring back about 40% of the total jobs lost since this started in March.

Youth unemployment at 29%



https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...2020-1.5644843

Youth unemployment was a massive issue in most of the western world before the pandemic unfortunately and Covid has likely only made things worse. In most industries, experience means much more than qualifications these days so unless you've been educated in medicine or a high demand STEM subject, post graduation career opportunities are usually few and far between.
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This is going to be even more of an issue in a country like Canada where immigration routes are still fairly liberal compared with most other similar economies.

printer Jul 10th 2020 10:24 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12879790)
I have noticed the same, a good chunk of people wearing masks do not distance even though its possible to do so, in general things in Vancouver are back to normal, the only precautions super store has now is a bottle of hand sanitizer at the door, and they still space you at check out, but the rest of the store is crowded free for all.

Wal-Mart mostly took down their one way aisles, they left the floor stickers but took down all the barriers they had that forced you to go one way, at self check out there is 0 distancing, even their employees come right up 2 feet away and try to sign you up for their stupid credit card, Canadian Tire isn't any better, their employees and vast majority in the store do not distance, Home Depot today was the same.

I notice less and less distancing by the day, just saw 3 city workers cram into the cab of a truck, so doesn't seem that they are social distancing.

Those are the only stores I have been to recently, but that has been my experience the last couple weeks.

Yes fully agree. Our Walmart and Home Depot have both removed all the barriers and security at door so they have relaxed the number of people allowed in. Distance markers still on floors and arrows in Wally mart but nobody follows the damn things anyway. Hardly ever see staff wearing PPE but some shoppers do. Local coffee shop we use has since put more tables inside and removed the space stickers on floor, all that remains of the COVID era is a single bottle of hand sanitizer oh and a screen at the counter. What i did notice is that there seems to be a lack of staff probably due to the uncertain future and keeping costs down but this had translated into uncleared tables inside and out and a rather over full garbage container by the counter, clearly nobody has time to stop what they are doing and clean, empty and sanitize which is thewhole point of this "new normal" although as i am no germophobe i am quite liking the new old normal. ha ha

dbd33 Jul 10th 2020 10:58 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
If there was a place where I would expect to see people without masks, it would be WalMart. I'd also go there if I wanted to see people without covering for their butt crack. Any windowless building signed "Tavern" would also be a good bet for both along with vape shops and motels offering rooms by the hour. I suggest that during a pandemic is not the time to visit any such places.

scrubbedexpat091 Jul 10th 2020 11:00 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12879811)
Youth unemployment was a massive issue in most of the western world before the pandemic unfortunately and Covid has likely only made things worse. In most industries, experience means much more than qualifications these days so unless you've been educated in medicine or a high demand STEM subject, post graduation career opportunities are usually few and far between.
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This is going to be even more of an issue in a country like Canada where immigration routes are still fairly liberal compared with most other similar economies.

And considering the overall unemployment was just around 5% in February, the current rate is still very high in comparison.

The company I was working for at the airport, while I left before COVID ever came into reality, so far they have only brought back 5 out of the 200 they laid off, but 50 flights a day average to now 7 which is up, but a long ways to go before they will ever need to have full staffing levels again.


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