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bats Dec 7th 2021 6:05 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Gozit (Post 13079147)
Do you have personal experience on this? I've always wondered if this ever actually happens, lol.

BA lost ours once on a trip to Paris. It worked out well for us as our insurance would pay out 50 quid if the luggage was missing for more than 24 hours and the cases were delivered to the hotel after 26hours. Stuff was missing too so we claimed for that and from the airline. Great result all round

This was in 1980 something so 50 quid was almost half the weekend cost. Also we didn't mind being stinky.

Siouxie Dec 7th 2021 9:26 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
https://www.publichealthontario.ca/e...ol?tab=summary

928 positive tests in Ontario today.. but hospitalisations are much lower.. which is probably more relative.

https://www.publichealthontario.ca/e...ool?tab=trends

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...c7787af606.jpg

Atlantic Xpat Dec 8th 2021 1:02 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 13079195)
The light at the end of that tunnel was WebEx!

How do you facilitate "Steak and Strippers" to the decision-makers at your clients via WebEx?

dbd33 Dec 8th 2021 2:50 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat (Post 13079592)
How do you facilitate "Steak and Strippers" to the decision-makers at your clients via WebEx?

I do miss some corporate events; watching a man eat a 32oz steak isn't something I would google but it's mesmerizing when it's across the table. On the other hand, the prostitution at defense industry events is horrible on multiple levels and the ****ing Blue Man Group were dismal the first time, never mind the forty-eighth, so, all in all, remote sales are better.

Siouxie Dec 8th 2021 3:18 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
:banghead:

I'm sure the totally off topic posts about luggage and eating steaks are fascinating for the very few posting about them :sarcasm: - for the rest of us, most would quite like to discuss COVID in Canada - you know - the title of the thread??

For links to each Province and lots of other information - see: https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.htm



Summary of COVID-19 cases across Canada and over time. Contains detailed data about the spread of the virus over time and in different regions of the country. Includes breakdowns by age and sex or gender. Provides an overview of hospitalizations and deaths, testing, variants of concern and exposures.

dbd33 Dec 8th 2021 3:20 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 13079615)
:banghead: :focus:


Covid is a bad thing. Vaccination is a good thing.

Bob Dec 8th 2021 3:28 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
This isn't a immigration thread/section, so slight thread drift is allowed, as it is in all of the forum, so for the love of god, can people stop reporting every post?

Gozit Dec 8th 2021 4:36 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 13079188)
Yes. The first time it happened by accident, I waited a couple of hours for the bag and it wasn't unloaded so I went home. The next week it turned up. After that I didn't stopped trying to collect the bag and just waited for it to turn up. I suppose I did that in Toronto a couple of dozen times. It doesn't work so well on the outbound journey though, your bags ends up following you around America or Europe, or wherever, always one day behind where you are. That happened a few times, always when there was a tight connection, I made it but the bag didn't.

I understand that, post-911, bags are supposed to be on the same planes as the owners but I know that not to be reliably the case (pun intended).

Good to know. I try not to have anything i wouldn't mind losing in my suitcase so i'll keep that in mind if my bag just doesn't turn up lol.

I assume they just took your address from the booking/PNR, or your luggage tag?

Jerseygirl Dec 8th 2021 4:40 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Gozit (Post 13079641)
Good to know. I try not to have anything i wouldn't mind losing in my suitcase so i'll keep that in mind if my bag just doesn't turn up lol.

I assume they just took your address from the booking/PNR, or your luggage tag?

I always place an large piece of paper on top of the contents in my case. I write my name and phone number, flight details and a forwarding address ie hotel details or home address.

Gozit Dec 8th 2021 4:55 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 13079644)
I always place an large piece of paper on top of the contents in my case. I write my name and phone number, flight details and a forwarding address ie hotel details or home address.

Good idea. I'll have to start doing that.

JamesM Dec 8th 2021 6:15 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Gozit (Post 13079147)
Do you have personal experience on this? I've always wondered if this ever actually happens, lol.

One time I had a flight delay at Pearson. When I landed in Amsterdam I had to sprint to make my connection. Sadly the luggage didn't follow.

I landed at Bordeaux airport and was given a 700 Euro allowance. I could not believe my luck!

Sadly no stores are open in France on a Sunday in that part of the world and despite being in a remote chateau in the Dordogne my luggage still found me.

If it is going to happen make sure you are in London or Paris where they have decent stores!

Danny B Dec 8th 2021 6:52 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 13079616)
Covid is a bad thing. Vaccination is a good thing.

This Omicron thing might be a silver lining.
It is hoped that it will overtake and wipe out the Delta variant but give very mild (cold like) symptoms instead of putting people in hospital like the delta does. :fingerscrossed:

Jerseygirl Dec 8th 2021 7:18 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 13079685)
This Omicron thing might be a silver lining.
It is hoped that it will overtake and wipe out the Delta variant but give very mild (cold like) symptoms instead of putting people in hospital like the delta does. :fingerscrossed:

I hope so too. :fingerscrossed:

printer Dec 9th 2021 1:04 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 13079685)
This Omicron thing might be a silver lining.
It is hoped that it will overtake and wipe out the Delta variant but give very mild (cold like) symptoms instead of putting people in hospital like the delta does. :fingerscrossed:

We keep hearing it's mild from various sources but of course lots of nervous governments adding extra restrictions just in case. Hopefully it will be the silver lining.
I still have to wonder at why we are continually getting daily case numbers from Bonnie Henry, do we really need to know that today there are 27 people in the Interior health region in ICU or there were 94 new cases?
These figures are showing that things are sitting reasonably static right now and we don't need to panic, there is certainly no ICU overload emergency in the entire interior health region. And 94 cases? I bet there were more emergency room visits for broken bones or work related injuries.

Gozit Dec 9th 2021 2:22 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 13079685)
This Omicron thing might be a silver lining.
It is hoped that it will overtake and wipe out the Delta variant but give very mild (cold like) symptoms instead of putting people in hospital like the delta does. :fingerscrossed:


Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 13079689)
I hope so too. :fingerscrossed:

Yep. Hopefully we are on our way to this becoming an "endemic".

Gozit Dec 9th 2021 2:33 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 13079673)
One time I had a flight delay at Pearson. When I landed in Amsterdam I had to sprint to make my connection. Sadly the luggage didn't follow.

I landed at Bordeaux airport and was given a 700 Euro allowance. I could not believe my luck!

Sadly no stores are open in France on a Sunday in that part of the world and despite being in a remote chateau in the Dordogne my luggage still found me.

If it is going to happen make sure you are in London or Paris where they have decent stores!

Yeah like dbd said not ideal for this to happen when on vacation. I had it happen twice, once in Florida, and once when the luggage didn't make my connecting flight to YYZ. Unfortunately the foodstuff's I had packed did not make it back in edible condition that time. Other then that though since it happened on my return home I wasn't too bothered.

scrubbedexpat099 Dec 9th 2021 2:54 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
UK is going back into Lockdown even though the new one does not seem to have killed anyone or it seems sent them to Hospital.

fergus_96 Dec 9th 2021 10:15 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
The UK is not going back into 'lockdown'. Face coverings are mandatory again, working from home is being 'advised' for people who can work at home (which has been the case for most of the year) and vaccine passports are finally coming into effect for big venues. The latter should have come into play many months ago, in that respect the UK is lagging behind Canada.

Those are literally the only changes, everything is still open as usual. Granted, the media don't help with the unnescessary and inaccurate use of words 'lockdowns' and 'restrictions' but they love a bit of hyperbole and spreading fear.

Paul_Shepherd Dec 9th 2021 10:47 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by fergus_96 (Post 13079821)
The UK is not going back into 'lockdown'. Face coverings are mandatory again, working from home is being 'advised' for people who can work at home (which has been the case for most of the year) and vaccine passports are finally coming into effect for big venues. The latter should have come into play many months ago, in that respect the UK is lagging behind Canada.

Those are literally the only changes, everything is still open as usual. Granted, the media don't help with the unnescessary and inaccurate use of words 'lockdowns' and 'restrictions' but they love a bit of hyperbole and spreading fear.

Exactly what I keep saying.... the media stir everything up and end up creating most of the issues!! :frown:

BristolUK Dec 9th 2021 12:17 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 13079830)
Exactly what I keep saying.... the media stir everything up and end up creating most of the issues!! :frown:

Yes it is what you keep saying but the media hasn't said the UK is going into lockdown again. That was Boiler and Fergus responded to his nonsense.

Gozit Dec 9th 2021 1:21 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 13079859)
Yes it is what you keep saying but the media hasn't said the UK is going into lockdown again. That was Boiler and Fergus responded to his nonsense.

TBF, Boiler probably isn't vaxxed, so for him, it would be like a lockdown :lol:

Disclaimer: I am against mandatory vaccination , just thought this was funny

scrubbedexpat099 Dec 9th 2021 3:16 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Gozit (Post 13079887)
TBF, Boiler probably isn't vaxxed, so for him, it would be like a lockdown :lol:

Disclaimer: I am against mandatory vaccination , just thought this was funny

2 Pfizer and one Moderna. I am not sure if it is true but seemed to be some benefit in mix n match.

I have the UK Radio on and they are talking about the Plan B Lockdown so whatever seems the usual term.


Gozit Dec 9th 2021 3:48 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 13079915)
2 Pfizer and one Moderna. I am not sure if it is true but seemed to be some benefit in mix n match.

I have the UK Radio on and they are talking about the Plan B Lockdown so whatever seems the usual term.

IMHO if the jab worked as well as they say it did, we wouldn't be talking about lockdowns, travel restrictions, etc.

It sounds like Omicron is a less deadly variant and that is what might push us away from these measures, not the jab.

scrubbedexpat099 Dec 9th 2021 3:56 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Well it seems and who knows that the third jab really helps with Omicron, and the symptoms will then be minor. Not something I am worried about, most people where I am who want the jab have had all 3. And rare to see somebody masked up.

Now I am convinced we are not finished and would not surprise me at all if something very different came into play and we start again.

Jerseygirl Dec 9th 2021 5:06 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
1290 cases yesterday in Ontario…highest for over 6 months. 617 fully vaxxed, 42 partial vaxxed, 548 unvaxxed, 83 unknown. 10 deaths.

https://www.cp24.com/news/ont-report...nths-1.5700162

dbd33 Dec 9th 2021 6:28 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 13079935)
1290 cases yesterday in Ontario…highest for over 6 months. 617 fully vaxxed, 42 partial vaxxed, 548 unvaxxed, 83 unknown. 10 deaths.

https://www.cp24.com/news/ont-report...nths-1.5700162


Do we know what proportion of the population is vaccinated?

Siouxie Dec 9th 2021 6:39 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 13079954)
Do we know what proportion of the population is vaccinated?

76.7%
https://www.publichealthontario.ca/e...-tool?tab=maps

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...b5e9a4fd7c.jpg

Regardless of the numbers of so called 'cases' = i.e. positive tests.. the part that is relevant and important are the number of hospitalisations.. which are relatively low when compared to the 'case' numbers posted...
https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...ac14752efe.jpg

BristolUK Dec 9th 2021 7:41 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 13079915)
I have the UK Radio on and they are talking about the Plan B Lockdown so whatever seems the usual term.

Again, this is you talking. I just googled UK-Plan B-lockdown.
The results page covers the specifics of working from home if possible, wearing masks, having proof of vax etc. These are all measures - that word is used too - to enable things to go on. Lockdown only gets a mention as being "not ruled out" which is why it's hoped that these measures will avoid that.

In the meantime, the Swiss made an exception for quarantine measures for the players at one of its clubs so a Champions League football match could go ahead and in other parts of Europe matches have been played with heavy restrictions on people allowed to attend or no people allowed to attend at all.
The Netherlands has had three weeks of Lockdown, Denmark is closing schools and nightclubs.

But let's all say that it's the UK going into lockdown when and then blame it on the media.

scrubbedexpat099 Dec 9th 2021 7:47 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Take it with the Radio Hosts, heard it used by at least 2.

It is amusing what is and is not allowed in Plan B.

Obviously there are various levels of lockdown, must be an A and not sure how far down the alphabet it goes.

fergus_96 Dec 9th 2021 8:06 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
For me, 'Lockdown' means a stay-at-home order, leave your home for essential reasons only, places being closed etc.

For whatever reason, throughout this whole pandemic, that word has started being thrown around by some people and used to describe any and every Covid measure, no matter how minor.


Danny B Dec 9th 2021 9:08 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 13079958)
76.7%
https://www.publichealthontario.ca/e...-tool?tab=maps



Regardless of the numbers of so called 'cases' = i.e. positive tests.. the part that is relevant and important are the number of hospitalisations.. which are relatively low when compared to the 'case' numbers posted...
https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data

Good grief.
Not a huge difference in numbers between fully vaxxed patients vs unvaxxed patients for those in hospital but not in ICU.
You guys need to toughen up a bit.

dbd33 Dec 9th 2021 9:27 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 13079995)
Good grief.
Not a huge difference in numbers between fully vaxxed patients vs unvaxxed patients for those in hospital but not in ICU.
You guys need to toughen up a bit.

But, if those numbers are roughly the same despite 70% of the population being vaccinated, it suggests the voluntarily unvaccinated are taking a huge risk with their health (and everyone else's). Bastards.

printer Dec 9th 2021 9:58 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 13079973)
Again, this is you talking. I just googled UK-Plan B-lockdown.
The results page covers the specifics of working from home if possible, wearing masks, having proof of vax etc. These are all measures - that word is used too - to enable things to go on. Lockdown only gets a mention as being "not ruled out" which is why it's hoped that these measures will avoid that.

In the meantime, the Swiss made an exception for quarantine measures for the players at one of its clubs so a Champions League football match could go ahead and in other parts of Europe matches have been played with heavy restrictions on people allowed to attend or no people allowed to attend at all.
The Netherlands has had three weeks of Lockdown, Denmark is closing schools and nightclubs.

But let's all say that it's the UK going into lockdown when and then blame it on the media.

Yes it's certainly not described anywhere as a lockdown but rather "plan B" It would seem however that this plan has some holes in it but i guess Boris knows what he is doing. I mean the mask mandate has been expanded to include most indoor settings like theatres and cinemas that weren't on the 'plan A" list but not apparently gyms. Also pubs, nightclubs and restaurants all escape the mask rule AND there is no social distancing being mandated. The work from home rule is not really a rule more an advisory if you can. Going to the pub, mixing, eating out and shopping are all still encouraged which of course is good news but you have to wonder if this is just Boris trying his best to act in view of the perceived threat but reluctant to do much so he doesn't piss off the electorate and ruin another Xmas.

Siouxie Dec 10th 2021 12:00 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 13080002)
But, if those numbers are roughly the same despite 70% of the population being vaccinated, it suggests the voluntarily unvaccinated are taking a huge risk with their health (and everyone else's). Bastards.

The vaccinated are equally able to pass on the virus, particularly if they have few or no symptoms and think they are fine to mingle with whoever they like. I know more than a few who think they are invincible now they are vax'd... don't wear masks anywhere unless forced to, don't take precautions etc., and yes I know of a few who have had mild covid since being vax'd... caught from other 'vax'd' friends!

As I explained to an acquaintance of mine, I was more at risk if I met up with her, than she was from me... She is vax'd, works as a nursing assistant at a GP's office in Texas, has/d contact with people who are unwell but not yet tested; was at a large airport for several hours, mingling with others - flew to Toronto in a packed plane; hung out in Toronto for a few days (staying in a large hotel and then a motel).... going to stores, restaurants, bars etc., then met up with friends at various places. I don't go anywhere, I don't see anyone, I am super vigilent.. and unvax'd due to heath constraints... she could easily have infected me, had she picked covid up and was asymptomatic

The whole situation is horrible for everyone, vax'd or unvax'd - why lay the blame on anyone... it is what it is... an out of control endemic virus that will mutate and change every year... we either adapt or give up.

BristolUK Dec 10th 2021 12:09 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by fergus_96 (Post 13079976)
For me, 'Lockdown' means a stay-at-home order, leave your home for essential reasons only, places being closed etc.

For whatever reason, throughout this whole pandemic, that word has started being thrown around by some people and used to describe any and every Covid measure, no matter how minor.

:nod:
And then complaining about its use :lol:


Originally Posted by printer (Post 13080011)
Yes it's certainly not described anywhere as a lockdown but rather "plan B" It would seem however that this plan has some holes in it but i guess Boris knows what he is doing. I mean the mask mandate has been expanded to include most indoor settings like theatres and cinemas that weren't on the 'plan A" list but not apparently gyms. Also pubs, nightclubs and restaurants all escape the mask rule

Not so much holes as just recognising practicalities. You can't keep your mask over your mouth while eating and drinking and it's probably not good while exercising in the gym, breathing difficulty and so on, especially as sweat and heavy breathing is going to clog up the mask. There's little comparable issue with a mask at the cinema - unless it's at one of those places where what you're watching makes you sweat and breathe heavily. :rofl:






dbd33 Dec 10th 2021 12:53 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 13080037)
The vaccinated are equally able to pass on the virus, particularly if they have few or no symptoms and think they are fine to mingle with whoever they like. I know more than a few who think they are invincible now they are vax'd... don't wear masks anywhere unless forced to, don't take precautions etc., and yes I know of a few who have had mild covid since being vax'd... caught from other 'vax'd' friends!

As I explained to an acquaintance of mine, I was more at risk if I met up with her, than she was from me... She is vax'd, works as a nursing assistant at a GP's office in Texas, has/d contact with people who are unwell but not yet tested; was at a large airport for several hours, mingling with others - flew to Toronto in a packed plane; hung out in Toronto for a few days (staying in a large hotel and then a motel).... going to stores, restaurants, bars etc., then met up with friends at various places. I don't go anywhere, I don't see anyone, I am super vigilent.. and unvax'd due to heath constraints... she could easily have infected me, had she picked covid up and was asymptomatic

The whole situation is horrible for everyone, vax'd or unvax'd - why lay the blame on anyone... it is what it is... an out of control endemic virus that will mutate and change every year... we either adapt or give up.

The selfishness is not about contagion but about choosing to increase risk of hospitalization thereby depriving others of a needed bed. If unvaccinated people are willing to shoot themselves upon catching covid then, fair enough, that's reasonable exercise of free will although it's still not the act of a good person to turn oneself into a variant incubator.

Danny B Dec 10th 2021 3:51 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 13080043)
The selfishness is not about contagion but about choosing to increase risk of hospitalization thereby depriving others of a needed bed. If unvaccinated people are willing to shoot themselves upon catching covid then, fair enough, that's reasonable exercise of free will although it's still not the act of a good person to turn oneself into a variant incubator.

Is Ontario short of hospital beds? is the situation there that bad? I must admit that I haven't been keeping up with the news over on your end of the country.

Things in BC aren't bad at all (besides the 1,782 people killed so far this year by drug overdose) but COVID wise we are doing good. I'm even back working in the office :thumbsup:

Atlantic Xpat Dec 10th 2021 12:23 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Gozit (Post 13079918)
IMHO if the jab worked as well as they say it did, we wouldn't be talking about lockdowns, travel restrictions, etc.

It sounds like Omicron is a less deadly variant and that is what might push us away from these measures, not the jab.

Vaccines work as well as "they" (presumably you mean the scientists and medical professionals) say they do. Unfortunately, the pools of unvaccinated people in Africa/South America/Asia - or the US of bloody A - provide fertile ground for new variants to arise. Perhaps we should be giving our third doses to these countries to mitigate that risk faster.

Hopefully Omicron is less deadly. Hopefully restrictions will be short term. We'll see.

Nand Dec 10th 2021 12:38 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 13079745)
UK is going back into Lockdown even though the new one does not seem to have killed anyone or it seems sent them to Hospital.


It normally takes a few weeks, even months for SarsCov virus to kill pople, so it is early days yet for the Omicron deaths to begin to climb.

Still good idea to take precautions now!

I really really hope this turns out to be the beginning of the end of it.


Nand Dec 10th 2021 12:47 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
TBH I don't care anymore if vaxed people go around spreading their Covid germs all over the place because the sooner this thing mutates like a whirl wind there is more and more of a chance it will become a milder virus that everybody can handle without dying.

Sometimes I think this is exactly what governments planned on the advice from those brainy Virologists that woild know everything like how virus' acts and mutates, because if it wasn't their plan all along then why weren't they creating and putting in place a vax for the Delta varient last summer?


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