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Grow both for balance.

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Agreed, that seems to be something that society do now, unfairly judge people.....

I think if your health allows you to, then you should get vaccinated, however unvaccinated people should be lumped into the anti vax brigade until they know the reasoning behind it.

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That is not what it says at all. It does not say “If someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.” Must be at least a contributor to count. Very clear. Not a car accident.

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This article explains the issue with counting Covid as the cause of death. https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/dea...326970?cache=.

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Top of page 3 spells it out further. https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-...otes.pdf?la=en

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You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.

I disagree.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...4c6071302e.jpg

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Absolutely. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Not to making up "facts" and conspiracies though. Your opinion happens to be a conspiracy.

Public Health Ontario couldn't be clearer:

https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-...otes.pdf?la=en

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Nothing conspiratorial about my post, dear.
They specifically state on the website in plain view..

- which doesn't preclude heart attack, pneumonia, whooping cough, or a hundred other diseases / infections etc., although I confirm that it appears that traumatic deaths are not included in the stats, which I erroneously mentioned - for which I apologise!

- which doesn't preclude heart attacks or anything else.. you can die from a heart attack when you have a bad cold, or any other illness :D

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Please read the links where people who know what they are talking about clearly explain what is counted and why. I already provided it up the thread: https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/dea...5326970?cache=.

I am sorry but it takes bad faith to make up nonsense that victims of car accidents and whooping cough are counted as the victims of Covid. It is a conspiracy.

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Some in BC might need 2 passport cards, part of the article says one thing, then further down it say's the provinces agreed to conform the standard, but now seems maybe BC isn't going to?

https://globalnews.ca/news/8287089/b...sport-program/

"British Columbians will be required to have both a federal vaccine passport and BC Vaccine Card if they want to eat at a restaurant and travel by airplane."

From October 30 to November 29 the BC card will apparently be acceptable by the federal government, but not beyond that.

But then further down it's say's this:

British Columbia, along with all provinces, has agreed to conform proof-of-vaccine documents, or COVID-19 vaccine passports, to a national standard so that they can be used for international and domestic travel.


So you may need both, but maybe you wont, just get both to be safe, but currently the federal one is only available in select provinces, BC is not a province where it's available yet.

Oh and you may if travelling outside of Canada don't forget to bring a bring a printout that contains your COVID-19 vaccine history, such as your vaccine receipt as the federal vaccine passport may not be readble outside of Canada.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...get-proof.html

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Yet more nonsense for the general public to try and interpret if they want to venture out. Surely it's the most sensible option to make a federal vax passport for ALL vaccinated people. Now if that cannot be used in another country so be it but it seems that around the world rules are being implemented to differing degrees and often changed at short notice so it is difficult to keep up.

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Yep. And the Federal Government will do this. Five months too late. Having forced the provinces to spend money and resources on setting up their disparate systems.

https://news.google.com/articles/CBM...A&ceid=CA%3Aen

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No conspiracy, Fact. I already redacted the 'traumatic deaths' suggestion, if you care to read my posts.

I wasn't stating whooping cough was an underlying factor, I mentioned it as one of numerous diseases that affect the lungs and therefore could be counted as Hamilton clearly state (from the link you gave)
The 'clinically compatible symptoms' list is quite broad and could cover quite a few diseases affecting the lungs - influenza, whooping cough, pneumonia etc., and if the patient suffering from one of these also had a positive Covid test, their death would be counted under the Covid statistics.
Additionally - from Canada Health.. https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...efinition.html
I'm not for one second stating that the numbers of deaths being quoted are fabricated in any way.. I'm far from a conspirator... I mentioned the Hamilton statistics because I thought it strange they would phrase it in such a way.

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Moving on..........

Ontario intends to start easing off on restrictions, starting on October 25th with a relaxation of capacity limits, followed by potentially lifting restrictions on being vaccinated when going to certain types of venue.. depending on any increase in numbers over winter, of course... between 17th January and 28th March. One has to wonder what kind of impact this might make :confused:
https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/1...-the-long-term

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These doctors should have their licenses revoked and barred from practicing medicine in BC for life. (well looks like one isn't practicing medicine as has an inactive license)

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ions-1.6221825

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I took a tour of their website, and you don't often find that much bullshit in one place.

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BC folks will be eligible for a booster 6 to 8 months after their 2nd dose roughly, and will be contacted when eligible, booster shot at this time will not be mandatory.

For the time being, fully vaccinated will remain 2 doses, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that always being the case if the vaccine protection wanes or another variant shows up that the vaccine doesn't work well against.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8326216/b...-shot-program/

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Healthcare workers excluding care home workers not vaccinated have been placed on unpaid leave, formal termination will begin on November 15th for those who haven't gotten the first dose.

Carehome workers had an earlier deadline, and termination process began today for unvaccinated care home workers.

1,369 employees of Interior Health, seven per cent of the workforce, remain unvaccinated.

Other health authorities are reporting unvaccinated rates of between two and five per cent.

Across B.C. there are 4,090 unvaccinated healthcare workers and 2,626 partially-vaccinated workers working towards full vaccination status.

https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/349...rkers-says-Dix

An interview with a couple nurses at Kelowna Hospital who were sent home at midnight for refusing the vaccine.

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Religious exemption my arse.

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Will be interesting to see how many of those suspended without pay yesterday, have gotten a first dose by November 15, they have until then to get a first dose to prevent termination.

Some may have thought the government would fold due to the staffing shortages, but I am glad the government didn't fold, might push some of these people to go get vaccinated, and those who don't, probably not who you want in healthcare anyhow.

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I've never heard such a connection before. Are there any tax advantages in such an arse status? :lol:

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Most vaccines given require boosters. Hep B is a three course, Shingles is a two course, kids vaccines are often more than three.

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I get why the government did it, but maybe it wasn't a good idea overall having a sudden 4,000 healthcare workers off the job, I kind of wonder if this will do more harm than good in the long run.

Government announces surgeries and diagnostic testing will have to be postponed as hospitals face shortage of healthcare workers.

Some kidney patients for example in the interior having to go more than 100km for dialysis now, that could be a financial burden for some, others may not have the transportation.

The healthcare workers have until November 15th to get their 1st dose to avoid permanent termination, on Tuesday 1,800 long term care facility workers were terminated as they had a different timeline, so I wonder how many of the 4,000 healthcare workers are diehard's who wont get vaccinated, vs on the fence and now will because of the sudden loss of income and pending termination in 18 days.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...s-put-on-leave

Don't need any surgery or diagnostic testing if you can avoid it.

My wife's endocronologist called yesterday asking if there was any way she could afford going to Seattle and self paying for the MRI he needs because the doctor isn't comfortable with how long it's taking in BC currently.


Some of the people posting about their cancelled surgeries or delays seem sort of urgent, one person saying liver cancer surgery was cancelled yesterday last minute, and now they are hoping for mid November to late November, hopefully they get their surgery before it's too late, I worry that some will die who may have otherwise lived had they been able to get their diagnostic tests and surgeries sooner.

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BC residens can now obtain their federal proof of vaccination. Feds will accept the BC provincial one until November 30th. You access the federal one the same way you access/received the provincial one.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8336993/f...b-c-residents/

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Whatever you do if your in BC don't get sick, hospitals are not doing well. This is being reported by a local BC political reporter.

B.C. has been required to minimize operating times at various hospitals across the province due to employees not meeting vaccination appointments as well as increased pressure due to 'critical care demand'

My wife's endocronoligst called again just to confirm there is absolutely no way she can self pay for the MRI he needs, he keeps reassuring her its very likely nothing, but then he keeps also pushing to see if we can self pay in the US or private clinic in Canada, so kind of mixed message making her worry a bit more than she was.

This is why it's not a your body, your choice, because your choice affects others ability to access medical care because so much of a limited resource is being directed to COVID patients, most of whom are not vaccinated.

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Todays news suggests Kelowna hospital has two operating wards shut due to lack of staff, Kamloops also having issues with cancelled procedures and Keremeos ER suffering due to staff shortages. It seems the Interior is the worse affected region in terms of unvaccinated nurses/health care workers. In the short term its hard to see this situation improving because you can't just train up a few newbies overnight. Even though it may have been the right decision it seems that the Health authorities have kind of shot themselves in the foot so to speak

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And it's not like there is a surplus of qualifed workers in Canada in general either, most if not all provinces are facing a shortage in general. Kamloops seems to have been hit hard, their hospital has been in the news for several months about one shortage or another, especially with nurses it seems.

But the whole system ran on the brink before COVID, and COVID kind of pushed healthcare system over the edge.

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Sask Premier Moe tells the opposition to "zip it" during question periond. If he thought throwing Health Minister Merriman under the bus would help his image at all, he'd do it with no hesitation, but the Sask Party is so firmly entrenched all he has to do is continue ignoring the advice of the medical community and keep flying patients to Ontario.
https://thestarphoenix.com/news/sask...6-4bc7aec0d01e

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Meanwhile in Newfoundland...

The entire medical record, diagnostic imaging, covid test results, and pretty much everything else systems are down, a victim of a cyberattack. The government is being cagy (understandably) on the details but essentially all healthcare in the province is now emergency only.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfo...ay-5-1.6235229

Not, as they say, good.

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I can understand (not condone) hackers damaging social media companies systems etc, but what do they have to benefit from screwing up an entire provinces health care system?? I wonder if there was a ransomware demand that wasn't paid?

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I'm pretty sure this is ransomware not just malicious hacking. i.e. "Send us $20m in bitcoin and you'll get your systems back". Like the Wannacry hack a few years back.

One Canadian Cybersecurity experts take on it: As he notes, its not getting the coverage (yet) because this is Newfoundland not Ontario or BC.

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From the news article..

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Interestingly - Health Ontario are recommending that if you had Astra Zeneca double vaccine or Janssen single vaccine 6+ months ago you may be offered a booster dose of an MRNA vaccine, regardless of age...
https://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/pro/...mendations.pdf

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That's how they roll it out here, at risk and oldies first then general population ranked from old to young. I had 2x AZ in April and June and got my Pfizer booster 2 weeks ago.

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Because the AZ vaccine series has shown it’s not as effective against the Delta variant.

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Interesting editorial from the G&M today: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...embolden-anti/ (Which I fully agree with).

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It's asking for a login.

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Cached: http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...trip=1&vwsrc=0 (text only version)

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Thanks.
I wish I never read it now :unsure:

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Well looks like the unvaccinated healthcare workers who choose not to be vaccinated in BC can move to Ontario and Quebec then if those 2 provinces will not be doing madated vaccines for healthcare workers, BC has already shown they plan to be tough, they started with care homes, and went through with the firings, so I have no doubt in 10 days, they will also fire any general healthcare worker who isn't vaccinated.