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BEVS Oct 22nd 2021 3:10 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 13063753)
Just got my booster; now gotta wait 15 minutes to see if I grow horns or a tail.

Grow both for balance.

Paul_Shepherd Oct 22nd 2021 12:25 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 13062776)
But the point Almost Canadian is trying to make is that not everyone who isn't vaccinated is an anti vaxer.. but they are treated and reviled in the same way, as if they are.

Agreed, that seems to be something that society do now, unfairly judge people.....

I think if your health allows you to, then you should get vaccinated, however unvaccinated people should be lumped into the anti vax brigade until they know the reasoning behind it.

Mordko Oct 22nd 2021 12:45 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 13063262)
Hmmmm Hamilton has a strange way of reporting fatalities. "deaths are included whether or not Covid was determined to be a contributing or underlying cause of death" - it seems if you were in a vehicle accident, had a heart attack or fell off a building - or any other reason, and then tested positive - the death is included in the statistics, despite the reason for death being unrelated... (notes) https://www.hamilton.ca/coronavirus/...es-in-hamilton

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...0c3fc8c4bc.jpg

That is not what it says at all. It does not say “If someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.” Must be at least a contributor to count. Very clear. Not a car accident.

Mordko Oct 22nd 2021 12:55 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
This article explains the issue with counting Covid as the cause of death. https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/dea...326970?cache=.

Mordko Oct 22nd 2021 1:03 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 13063262)
Hmmmm Hamilton has a strange way of reporting fatalities. "deaths are included whether or not Covid was determined to be a contributing or underlying cause of death" - it seems if you were in a vehicle accident, had a heart attack or fell off a building - or any other reason, and then tested positive - the death is included in the statistics, despite the reason for death being unrelated... (notes) https://www.hamilton.ca/coronavirus/...es-in-hamilton

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...0c3fc8c4bc.jpg

Top of page 3 spells it out further. https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-...otes.pdf?la=en


Siouxie Oct 22nd 2021 4:28 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Mordko (Post 13064270)
That is not what it says at all. It does not say “If someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.” Must be at least a contributor to count. Very clear. Not a car accident.


Originally Posted by Mordko (Post 13064274)
This article explains the issue with counting Covid as the cause of death. https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/dea...326970?cache=.


Originally Posted by Mordko (Post 13064277)
Top of page 3 spells it out further. https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-...otes.pdf?la=en

You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.

I disagree.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...4c6071302e.jpg

Mordko Oct 22nd 2021 5:11 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 13064373)
You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.

I disagree.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...4c6071302e.jpg

Absolutely. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Not to making up "facts" and conspiracies though. Your opinion happens to be a conspiracy.

Public Health Ontario couldn't be clearer:


For surveillance purposes, a COVID-19 death is defined as a death resulting from a clinically compatible illness in a confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID-19 (i.e., trauma).
https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-...otes.pdf?la=en

Siouxie Oct 22nd 2021 5:38 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Mordko (Post 13064403)
Absolutely. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Not to making up "facts" and conspiracies though. Your opinion happens to be a conspiracy.

Public Health Ontario couldn't be clearer:

https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-...otes.pdf?la=en

Nothing conspiratorial about my post, dear.
They specifically state on the website in plain view..


Deaths are included whether or not Covid-19 was determined to be a contributing or underlying cause of death
- which doesn't preclude heart attack, pneumonia, whooping cough, or a hundred other diseases / infections etc., although I confirm that it appears that traumatic deaths are not included in the stats, which I erroneously mentioned - for which I apologise!


a COVID-19 death is defined as a death resultingfrom a clinically compatible illness in a confirmed COVID-19 case
- which doesn't preclude heart attacks or anything else.. you can die from a heart attack when you have a bad cold, or any other illness :D





Mordko Oct 22nd 2021 5:46 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 13064419)
Nothing conspiratorial about my post, dear.
They specifically state on the website in plain view..

- which doesn't preclude heart attack, pneumonia, whooping cough, or a hundred other diseases / infections etc., although I confirm that it appears that traumatic deaths are not included in the stats, which I erroneously mentioned - for which I apologise!

- which doesn't preclude heart attacks or anything else.. you can die from a heart attack when you have a bad cold, or any other illness :D

Please read the links where people who know what they are talking about clearly explain what is counted and why. I already provided it up the thread: https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/dea...5326970?cache=.

I am sorry but it takes bad faith to make up nonsense that victims of car accidents and whooping cough are counted as the victims of Covid. It is a conspiracy.

scrubbedexpat091 Oct 22nd 2021 6:51 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Some in BC might need 2 passport cards, part of the article says one thing, then further down it say's the provinces agreed to conform the standard, but now seems maybe BC isn't going to?

https://globalnews.ca/news/8287089/b...sport-program/

"British Columbians will be required to have both a federal vaccine passport and BC Vaccine Card if they want to eat at a restaurant and travel by airplane."

From October 30 to November 29 the BC card will apparently be acceptable by the federal government, but not beyond that.

But then further down it's say's this:

British Columbia, along with all provinces, has agreed to conform proof-of-vaccine documents, or COVID-19 vaccine passports, to a national standard so that they can be used for international and domestic travel.



So you may need both, but maybe you wont, just get both to be safe, but currently the federal one is only available in select provinces, BC is not a province where it's available yet.

Oh and you may if travelling outside of Canada don't forget to bring a bring a printout that contains your COVID-19 vaccine history, such as your vaccine receipt as the federal vaccine passport may not be readble outside of Canada.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...get-proof.html


printer Oct 22nd 2021 11:31 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 13064460)
Some in BC might need 2 passport cards, part of the article says one thing, then further down it say's the provinces agreed to conform the standard, but now seems maybe BC isn't going to?

https://globalnews.ca/news/8287089/b...sport-program/

"British Columbians will be required to have both a federal vaccine passport and BC Vaccine Card if they want to eat at a restaurant and travel by airplane."

From October 30 to November 29 the BC card will apparently be acceptable by the federal government, but not beyond that.

But then further down it's say's this:

British Columbia, along with all provinces, has agreed to conform proof-of-vaccine documents, or COVID-19 vaccine passports, to a national standard so that they can be used for international and domestic travel.



So you may need both, but maybe you wont, just get both to be safe, but currently the federal one is only available in select provinces, BC is not a province where it's available yet.

Oh and you may if travelling outside of Canada don't forget to bring a bring a printout that contains your COVID-19 vaccine history, such as your vaccine receipt as the federal vaccine passport may not be readble outside of Canada.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...get-proof.html

Yet more nonsense for the general public to try and interpret if they want to venture out. Surely it's the most sensible option to make a federal vax passport for ALL vaccinated people. Now if that cannot be used in another country so be it but it seems that around the world rules are being implemented to differing degrees and often changed at short notice so it is difficult to keep up.

Mordko Oct 23rd 2021 4:58 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by printer (Post 13064565)
Yet more nonsense for the general public to try and interpret if they want to venture out. Surely it's the most sensible option to make a federal vax passport for ALL vaccinated people. Now if that cannot be used in another country so be it but it seems that around the world rules are being implemented to differing degrees and often changed at short notice so it is difficult to keep up.

Yep. And the Federal Government will do this. Five months too late. Having forced the provinces to spend money and resources on setting up their disparate systems.

https://news.google.com/articles/CBM...A&ceid=CA%3Aen

Siouxie Oct 23rd 2021 5:34 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Mordko (Post 13064425)
Please read the links where people who know what they are talking about clearly explain what is counted and why. I already provided it up the thread: https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/dea...5326970?cache=.

I am sorry but it takes bad faith to make up nonsense that victims of car accidents and whooping cough are counted as the victims of Covid. It is a conspiracy.

No conspiracy, Fact. I already redacted the 'traumatic deaths' suggestion, if you care to read my posts.

I wasn't stating whooping cough was an underlying factor, I mentioned it as one of numerous diseases that affect the lungs and therefore could be counted as Hamilton clearly state (from the link you gave)

For surveillance purposes, a COVID-19 death is defined as a death resulting from a clinically compatible illness in a confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID-19 (i.e., trauma).
The 'clinically compatible symptoms' list is quite broad and could cover quite a few diseases affecting the lungs - influenza, whooping cough, pneumonia etc., and if the patient suffering from one of these also had a positive Covid test, their death would be counted under the Covid statistics.

• Fever (temperature of 37.8°C/100.0°F or greater) and/or chills
• Cough (that is new or worsening (e.g. continuous, more than usual if chronic cough)
including croup (barking cough, making a whistling noise when breathing)
• Shortness of breath (dyspnea, out of breath, unable to breathe deeply, wheeze, that is
worse than usual if chronically short of breath)
• New olfactory or taste disorder (decrease or loss of smell or taste)
• Fatigue, lethargy, or malaise (general feeling of being unwell, lack of energy, extreme
tiredness) that is unusual or unexplained
• Myalgias (muscle aches and pain) that are unexplained, unusual, or long-lasting
Additionally - from Canada Health.. https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...efinition.html

Deceased case

A probable or confirmed COVID-19 case whose death resulted from a clinically compatible illness, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death identified (e.g., trauma, poisoning, drug overdose).

A Medical Officer of Health, relevant public health authority, or coroner may use their discretion when determining if a death was due to COVID-19, and their judgement will supersede the above-mentioned criteria.

A death due to COVID-19 may be attributed when COVID-19 is the cause of death or is a contributing factor.
I'm not for one second stating that the numbers of deaths being quoted are fabricated in any way.. I'm far from a conspirator... I mentioned the Hamilton statistics because I thought it strange they would phrase it in such a way.

Siouxie Oct 23rd 2021 8:17 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Moving on..........

Ontario intends to start easing off on restrictions, starting on October 25th with a relaxation of capacity limits, followed by potentially lifting restrictions on being vaccinated when going to certain types of venue.. depending on any increase in numbers over winter, of course... between 17th January and 28th March. One has to wonder what kind of impact this might make :confused:
https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/1...-the-long-term

scrubbedexpat091 Oct 25th 2021 11:33 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
These doctors should have their licenses revoked and barred from practicing medicine in BC for life. (well looks like one isn't practicing medicine as has an inactive license)

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ions-1.6221825


caretaker Oct 26th 2021 12:32 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 13065431)
These doctors should have their licenses revoked and barred from practicing medicine in BC for life. (well looks like one isn't practicing medicine as has an inactive license)

I took a tour of their website, and you don't often find that much bullshit in one place.

scrubbedexpat091 Oct 27th 2021 1:23 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
BC folks will be eligible for a booster 6 to 8 months after their 2nd dose roughly, and will be contacted when eligible, booster shot at this time will not be mandatory.

For the time being, fully vaccinated will remain 2 doses, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that always being the case if the vaccine protection wanes or another variant shows up that the vaccine doesn't work well against.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8326216/b...-shot-program/

scrubbedexpat091 Oct 27th 2021 2:45 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Healthcare workers excluding care home workers not vaccinated have been placed on unpaid leave, formal termination will begin on November 15th for those who haven't gotten the first dose.

Carehome workers had an earlier deadline, and termination process began today for unvaccinated care home workers.

1,369 employees of Interior Health, seven per cent of the workforce, remain unvaccinated.

Other health authorities are reporting unvaccinated rates of between two and five per cent.

Across B.C. there are 4,090 unvaccinated healthcare workers and 2,626 partially-vaccinated workers working towards full vaccination status.


https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/349...rkers-says-Dix

An interview with a couple nurses at Kelowna Hospital who were sent home at midnight for refusing the vaccine.


Danny B Oct 27th 2021 7:03 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 13065803)

An interview with a couple nurses at Kelowna Hospital who were sent home at midnight for refusing the vaccine.

Religious exemption my arse.

scrubbedexpat091 Oct 27th 2021 8:16 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 13066080)
Religious exemption my arse.


Will be interesting to see how many of those suspended without pay yesterday, have gotten a first dose by November 15, they have until then to get a first dose to prevent termination.

Some may have thought the government would fold due to the staffing shortages, but I am glad the government didn't fold, might push some of these people to go get vaccinated, and those who don't, probably not who you want in healthcare anyhow.



BristolUK Oct 27th 2021 8:25 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 13066080)
Religious exemption my arse.

I've never heard such a connection before. Are there any tax advantages in such an arse status? :lol:

Tirytory Oct 27th 2021 10:49 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 13065797)
BC folks will be eligible for a booster 6 to 8 months after their 2nd dose roughly, and will be contacted when eligible, booster shot at this time will not be mandatory.

For the time being, fully vaccinated will remain 2 doses, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that always being the case if the vaccine protection wanes or another variant shows up that the vaccine doesn't work well against.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8326216/b...-shot-program/

Most vaccines given require boosters. Hep B is a three course, Shingles is a two course, kids vaccines are often more than three.

scrubbedexpat091 Oct 28th 2021 10:11 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
I get why the government did it, but maybe it wasn't a good idea overall having a sudden 4,000 healthcare workers off the job, I kind of wonder if this will do more harm than good in the long run.

Government announces surgeries and diagnostic testing will have to be postponed as hospitals face shortage of healthcare workers.

Some kidney patients for example in the interior having to go more than 100km for dialysis now, that could be a financial burden for some, others may not have the transportation.

The healthcare workers have until November 15th to get their 1st dose to avoid permanent termination, on Tuesday 1,800 long term care facility workers were terminated as they had a different timeline, so I wonder how many of the 4,000 healthcare workers are diehard's who wont get vaccinated, vs on the fence and now will because of the sudden loss of income and pending termination in 18 days.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...s-put-on-leave

Don't need any surgery or diagnostic testing if you can avoid it.

My wife's endocronologist called yesterday asking if there was any way she could afford going to Seattle and self paying for the MRI he needs because the doctor isn't comfortable with how long it's taking in BC currently.


Some of the people posting about their cancelled surgeries or delays seem sort of urgent, one person saying liver cancer surgery was cancelled yesterday last minute, and now they are hoping for mid November to late November, hopefully they get their surgery before it's too late, I worry that some will die who may have otherwise lived had they been able to get their diagnostic tests and surgeries sooner.

scrubbedexpat091 Oct 31st 2021 8:56 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
BC residens can now obtain their federal proof of vaccination. Feds will accept the BC provincial one until November 30th. You access the federal one the same way you access/received the provincial one.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8336993/f...b-c-residents/

scrubbedexpat091 Nov 1st 2021 10:49 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Whatever you do if your in BC don't get sick, hospitals are not doing well. This is being reported by a local BC political reporter.

B.C. has been required to minimize operating times at various hospitals across the province due to employees not meeting vaccination appointments as well as increased pressure due to 'critical care demand'

My wife's endocronoligst called again just to confirm there is absolutely no way she can self pay for the MRI he needs, he keeps reassuring her its very likely nothing, but then he keeps also pushing to see if we can self pay in the US or private clinic in Canada, so kind of mixed message making her worry a bit more than she was.

This is why it's not a your body, your choice, because your choice affects others ability to access medical care because so much of a limited resource is being directed to COVID patients, most of whom are not vaccinated.

printer Nov 2nd 2021 12:53 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 13067621)
Whatever you do if your in BC don't get sick, hospitals are not doing well. This is being reported by a local BC political reporter.

B.C. has been required to minimize operating times at various hospitals across the province due to employees not meeting vaccination appointments as well as increased pressure due to 'critical care demand'

My wife's endocronoligst called again just to confirm there is absolutely no way she can self pay for the MRI he needs, he keeps reassuring her its very likely nothing, but then he keeps also pushing to see if we can self pay in the US or private clinic in Canada, so kind of mixed message making her worry a bit more than she was.

This is why it's not a your body, your choice, because your choice affects others ability to access medical care because so much of a limited resource is being directed to COVID patients, most of whom are not vaccinated.

Todays news suggests Kelowna hospital has two operating wards shut due to lack of staff, Kamloops also having issues with cancelled procedures and Keremeos ER suffering due to staff shortages. It seems the Interior is the worse affected region in terms of unvaccinated nurses/health care workers. In the short term its hard to see this situation improving because you can't just train up a few newbies overnight. Even though it may have been the right decision it seems that the Health authorities have kind of shot themselves in the foot so to speak

scrubbedexpat091 Nov 2nd 2021 2:29 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by printer (Post 13067659)
Todays news suggests Kelowna hospital has two operating wards shut due to lack of staff, Kamloops also having issues with cancelled procedures and Keremeos ER suffering due to staff shortages. It seems the Interior is the worse affected region in terms of unvaccinated nurses/health care workers. In the short term its hard to see this situation improving because you can't just train up a few newbies overnight. Even though it may have been the right decision it seems that the Health authorities have kind of shot themselves in the foot so to speak

And it's not like there is a surplus of qualifed workers in Canada in general either, most if not all provinces are facing a shortage in general. Kamloops seems to have been hit hard, their hospital has been in the news for several months about one shortage or another, especially with nurses it seems.

But the whole system ran on the brink before COVID, and COVID kind of pushed healthcare system over the edge.

caretaker Nov 3rd 2021 5:01 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Sask Premier Moe tells the opposition to "zip it" during question periond. If he thought throwing Health Minister Merriman under the bus would help his image at all, he'd do it with no hesitation, but the Sask Party is so firmly entrenched all he has to do is continue ignoring the advice of the medical community and keep flying patients to Ontario.
https://thestarphoenix.com/news/sask...6-4bc7aec0d01e

Atlantic Xpat Nov 3rd 2021 5:15 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Meanwhile in Newfoundland...

The entire medical record, diagnostic imaging, covid test results, and pretty much everything else systems are down, a victim of a cyberattack. The government is being cagy (understandably) on the details but essentially all healthcare in the province is now emergency only.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfo...ay-5-1.6235229

Not, as they say, good.

Danny B Nov 3rd 2021 5:54 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat (Post 13068192)
Meanwhile in Newfoundland...

The entire medical record, diagnostic imaging, covid test results, and pretty much everything else systems are down, a victim of a cyberattack. The government is being cagy (understandably) on the details but essentially all healthcare in the province is now emergency only.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfo...ay-5-1.6235229

Not, as they say, good.

I can understand (not condone) hackers damaging social media companies systems etc, but what do they have to benefit from screwing up an entire provinces health care system?? I wonder if there was a ransomware demand that wasn't paid?

Atlantic Xpat Nov 3rd 2021 6:52 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 13068218)
I can understand (not condone) hackers damaging social media companies systems etc, but what do they have to benefit from screwing up an entire provinces health care system?? I wonder if there was a ransomware demand that wasn't paid?

I'm pretty sure this is ransomware not just malicious hacking. i.e. "Send us $20m in bitcoin and you'll get your systems back". Like the Wannacry hack a few years back.

One Canadian Cybersecurity experts take on it:
As he notes, its not getting the coverage (yet) because this is Newfoundland not Ontario or BC.

Siouxie Nov 3rd 2021 6:54 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 13068218)
I can understand (not condone) hackers damaging social media companies systems etc, but what do they have to benefit from screwing up an entire provinces health care system?? I wonder if there was a ransomware demand that wasn't paid?

From the news article..

Sources have told CBC News it was a ransomware attack, a breach in which data or systems are encrypted until a ransom is paid. Ireland's health-care system fell victim to a ransomware attack in May, with government officials there refusing to pay the ransom.

Haggie would not say if data has been lost in the attack. A price tag on repairing Newfoundland and Labrador's damage is also unknown.

Siouxie Nov 3rd 2021 7:30 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Interestingly - Health Ontario are recommending that if you had Astra Zeneca double vaccine or Janssen single vaccine 6+ months ago you may be offered a booster dose of an MRNA vaccine, regardless of age...
https://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/pro/...mendations.pdf


. Recipients of a Viral Vector Vaccine or Series (primary series completed with only viral vector vaccines)
Recommendation:
At this time a booster dose of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine will be offered for the
following individuals:
• Individuals who received two doses of AstraZeneca/COVISHIELD COVID-19
vaccine
• Individuals who received one dose of Janssen/Johnson & Johnson COVID-19
vaccine

The recommended interval for these individuals is ≥6 months (168 days) after the
completion of the primary series.

caretaker Nov 3rd 2021 7:40 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 13068255)
Interestingly - Health Ontario are recommending that if you had Astra Zeneca double

That's how they roll it out here, at risk and oldies first then general population ranked from old to young. I had 2x AZ in April and June and got my Pfizer booster 2 weeks ago.

Tirytory Nov 4th 2021 11:42 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 13068255)
Interestingly - Health Ontario are recommending that if you had Astra Zeneca double vaccine or Janssen single vaccine 6+ months ago you may be offered a booster dose of an MRNA vaccine, regardless of age...
https://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/pro/...mendations.pdf

Because the AZ vaccine series has shown it’s not as effective against the Delta variant.

Atlantic Xpat Nov 4th 2021 12:51 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Interesting editorial from the G&M today: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...embolden-anti/ (Which I fully agree with).

Danny B Nov 4th 2021 11:46 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat (Post 13068451)
Interesting editorial from the G&M today: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...embolden-anti/ (Which I fully agree with).

It's asking for a login.

Siouxie Nov 5th 2021 5:20 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat (Post 13068451)
Interesting editorial from the G&M today: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...embolden-anti/ (Which I fully agree with).


Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 13068643)
It's asking for a login.

Cached: http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...trip=1&vwsrc=0 (text only version)


On Wednesday, Ontario Premier Doug Ford announced that there would be no vaccine mandate for health workers in the province.

Almost simultaneously, Quebec Health and Social Services Minister Christian Dubé said that his once tough-sounding “no jab, no pay” edict, already delayed, was now being revoked.

Danny B Nov 5th 2021 3:25 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 13068685)

Thanks.
I wish I never read it now :unsure:

scrubbedexpat091 Nov 5th 2021 5:12 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Well looks like the unvaccinated healthcare workers who choose not to be vaccinated in BC can move to Ontario and Quebec then if those 2 provinces will not be doing madated vaccines for healthcare workers, BC has already shown they plan to be tough, they started with care homes, and went through with the firings, so I have no doubt in 10 days, they will also fire any general healthcare worker who isn't vaccinated.



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