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Danny B Jul 6th 2021 2:18 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
There is some depressing news coming out of Israel this morning, might have to have a shot every 6 months at this rate...

The effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine in preventing COVID-19 infections in Israel has dropped by nearly a third due to the spread of the Delta variant, figures suggest.

BristolUK Jul 6th 2021 3:10 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by printer (Post 13026109)
I find it quite ridiculous that doctors appear to be afraid to see anyone in office.

Why is everything for you about 'fear' or being 'afraid' instead of precautions?

Do you fear crossing the road or do you take steps to prevent you being turned to mincemeat if you get hit by something? Are you afraid of knives or do you just use them carefully when you cut something?

Can you not see that it's not simply one patient at the office that's being considered but a waiting room, an enclosed space, that would have been full of people potentially spreading a virus? Among people who may be at greater risk than others?

scrubbedexpat099 Jul 6th 2021 4:17 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Only place I have been in of late that requires a mark is the Dentist,

Bit odd when the first thing you do is take it off when you get into the chair.

caretaker Jul 6th 2021 4:29 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 13026344)
There is some depressing news coming out of Israel this morning, might have to have a shot every 6 months at this rate...
The effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine in preventing COVID-19 infections in Israel has dropped by nearly a third due to the spread of the Delta variant, figures suggest.

The good news is it's not a surprise, and we have the mechanism in place to get everyone their booster if necessary. Line up the supplies of vaccine as soon as
we know which are needed and get on with it. If another shot is required in the Spring repeat as necessary.

Danny B Jul 6th 2021 4:44 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 13026403)
The good news is it's not a surprise, and we have the mechanism in place to get everyone their booster if necessary. Line up the supplies of vaccine as soon as
we know which are needed and get on with it. If another shot is required in the Spring repeat as necessary.

CEO of Pfizer be like "works for me" :lol:


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...14d273feea.jpg

scrubbedexpat091 Jul 6th 2021 5:24 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 13026344)
There is some depressing news coming out of Israel this morning, might have to have a shot every 6 months at this rate...

The effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine in preventing COVID-19 infections in Israel has dropped by nearly a third due to the spread of the Delta variant, figures suggest.

Pfizer CEO did say a couple months ago, it was very likely a 3rd shot would be needed this year.

He did also say the initial pricing will not be permanent and the discounted pricing will eventually go away but didn't specify when they plan the price increase.

BristolUK Jul 6th 2021 11:53 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 13026397)
Only place I have been in of late that requires a mark is the Dentist,

Bit odd when the first thing you do is take it off when you get into the chair.

Cheap.

Group of people (patients) small enclosed area, for an extended period in the part of the office before you see the dentist.

You'd make 5 out of 2+2 wouldn't you. :lol:

scrubbedexpat099 Jul 7th 2021 12:04 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 13026596)
Cheap.

Group of people (patients) small enclosed area, for an extended period in the part of the office before you see the dentist.

You'd make 5 out of 2+2 wouldn't you. :lol:

Reception area quite large and I have only seen one person in there and never had to wait more than a few minutes. They seem to have several treatment areas and get you in those asap ready to go.

Treatment areas small and at one point there were 3 of them, Dentist seems to prefer chin style, the two assistants were properly wearing theirs.

BristolUK Jul 7th 2021 12:09 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 13026598)
Treatment areas small and at one point there were 3 of them, Dentist seems to prefer chin style, the two assistants were properly wearing theirs.

Well it's a good job the dentist didn't need to fiddle around in the mouths of the assistants isn't it. :blink:

printer Jul 7th 2021 2:04 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 13026368)
Why is everything for you about 'fear' or being 'afraid' instead of precautions?

Do you fear crossing the road or do you take steps to prevent you being turned to mincemeat if you get hit by something? Are you afraid of knives or do you just use them carefully when you cut something?

Can you not see that it's not simply one patient at the office that's being considered but a waiting room, an enclosed space, that would have been full of people potentially spreading a virus? Among people who may be at greater risk than others?

Have you been to my doctors? There is ample space for socially distanced people and before COVID it was never anywhere near half full anyways. We are or were required to wear masks that people keep telling us work so wear one yet even with everyone including the staff wearing one it's still thought to be a risk unless its absolutely necessary. My CT scan result was supposed to be talked over by him but i couldn't make a prior appointment because apparently the results may take longer than before so they will call me to discuss when in. That was in March, I'm still waiting on the call.
I have been to our hospital 3 or 4 times in last few months either for me or my wife and it's also full of patients and staff. More so i have also been to Walmart along with many many others and now many without masks too as well as any other retail establishment you care to name since July 1st yet i still cannot simply get an appointment at my doctors.
What has me crossing the road or using a knife got to do with this, i am not the one living in fear and those precautions you mention are now getting less. Our daily counts in BC are less than 50 and that's cases, some of which may be false positives in a province of 5 million. Even UK which you seemed to think were doing poorly may have rising cases but deaths and hospitalizations are still low. I think some have lost sight of the original mandate "protect the health service, save lives" it never said "Eradicate ALL cases"
You made a point that fear is not the issue its being cautious, taking things slow and that's good but when the rules are relaxed in stages we still get a whole bunch of "experts" coming out of the woodwork telling us its too much too soon, keep the masks, don't mix, 4th wave is coming etc....

BristolUK Jul 7th 2021 6:27 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by printer (Post 13026645)
Have you been to my doctors? There is ample space for socially distanced people

No I haven't. Have you been to mine? His waiting room is big enough for 3 socially distanced patients and then a narrow corridor to the consultation rooms.
Pre-covid all seats were usually taken with some patients having to stand.

His office is in a building shared with half a dozen other doctors with the same sort of space. In my time here I have been in three similar buildings and the various doctors I have seen with offices in the city hospital are in similar sized rooms with normal numbers of patients rendering distancing impossible.

I don't know if I'm the unlucky one or you're the lucky one. But I'm pretty sure it makes them fairly impractical under pandemic conditions rather than the doctors being afraid.

Siouxie Jul 7th 2021 9:17 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 13026970)
No I haven't. Have you been to mine? His waiting room is big enough for 3 socially distanced patients and then a narrow corridor to the consultation rooms.
Pre-covid all seats were usually taken with some patients having to stand.

His office is in a building shared with half a dozen other doctors with the same sort of space. In my time here I have been in three similar buildings and the various doctors I have seen with offices in the city hospital are in similar sized rooms with normal numbers of patients rendering distancing impossible.

I don't know if I'm the unlucky one or you're the lucky one. But I'm pretty sure it makes them fairly impractical under pandemic conditions rather than the doctors being afraid.

You are not the only one... and most doctors are being cautious and staggering their patients rather than having a ton in each time (I remember the days pre-covid of being at my GP's waiting room with 9 others, despite an appointment system!).

My GP's previous surgery was up a flight of stairs, through a tight corridor (used by other offices and 2 washrooms); her waitng room was small, seated 9 people - possibly 3 'socially distanced'.. a tight corridor from the waiting area led to 2 consultation rooms and a secondary 'treatment' room. Her current surgery (which she has moved to since the pandemic started) seats 6 and possibly 2 socially distanced.. it's a converted lower level of a house, with 2 further rooms other than the waiting room. I have seen her once in the past 18 months, and only because I had an ear abscess that was excrutiating and I needed medications and an urgent referral to my ENT specialist, although I had one phone appointment with her prior to that. She only takes 1 patient every 30 minutes, to ensure that nobody has to be around another patient... so of course there aren't going to be a ton of appointments available - but she ensures that anyone who needs to see her urgently is fitted in.

My cardiologist shares his surgery wiith 2 others who are also cardiologists in a converted house with a waiting room that seats 10 (it was always packed, pre-covid) - possibly 3 socially distanced (but I wouldn't want to), several consultation rooms off a central vestibule, offices at the back and upstairs; then 1 testing room (EKG) and narrow corridors. The consultation rooms are small - holding a small computer desk (with computer and phone), 2 chairs and a treatment bed and blood pressure machine - you would be hard pressed to take 3 steps. They are still seeing patients, I've chosen not to attend and have cancelled 2 appointments, mostly due to the logistics of getting there and home and the higher risk of contracting 'something' while waiting.. the last time I was there it took nearly 2 hours. I'm adverse to unnecessary risk; I've had 1 phone appointment.

:)

printer Jul 8th 2021 1:31 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 13026970)
No I haven't. Have you been to mine? His waiting room is big enough for 3 socially distanced patients and then a narrow corridor to the consultation rooms.
Pre-covid all seats were usually taken with some patients having to stand.

His office is in a building shared with half a dozen other doctors with the same sort of space. In my time here I have been in three similar buildings and the various doctors I have seen with offices in the city hospital are in similar sized rooms with normal numbers of patients rendering distancing impossible.

I don't know if I'm the unlucky one or you're the lucky one. But I'm pretty sure it makes them fairly impractical under pandemic conditions rather than the doctors being afraid.

Sounds like an aircraft or crowded train which by the way you can still enjoy (not sure that's a good word) so long as you are wearing a mask, because masks work right? Or do they only work in a crowded aircraft and not a doctors waiting room? You see this whole debate on "precautions" or "restrictions" seems a bit odd to me. Crowded doctors waiting rooms a no go even with mask, crowded planes, trains and buses ok with a mask!

caretaker Jul 8th 2021 1:50 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by printer (Post 13027067)
You see this whole debate on "precautions" or "restrictions" seems a bit odd to me. Crowded doctors waiting rooms a no go even with mask, crowded planes, trains and buses ok with a mask!

In which place would you expect to encounter sick people?

printer Jul 8th 2021 5:20 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 13027069)
In which place would you expect to encounter sick people?

All of them possibly, who knows. There was a huge hype about asymptomatic spread, so "feeling sick" is not necessarily the only factor. How many times have we seen lists produced from possible infected passengers on flights? Then of course there is the possibility that you don't have to be "sick" to be at the doctors, there are many possible reasons why one is attending a doctors office.

Jerseygirl Jul 8th 2021 2:19 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Ontario…51% of adults have had 2 doses of vaccine. 78% have had 1 dose. 87% of people testing positive have not been vaccinated, :thumbsup:

Danny B Jul 8th 2021 9:44 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
What an absolute bummer for the Olympics :thumbdown:

Tokyo Olympics bans fans after Japan declares COVID state of emergency

https://news.sky.com/story/tokyo-oly...surge-12351656


Jerseygirl Jul 8th 2021 9:49 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 13027422)
What an absolute bummer for the Olympics :thumbdown:

Tokyo Olympics bans fans after Japan declares COVID state of emergency

https://news.sky.com/story/tokyo-oly...surge-12351656

It was ridiculous having them this year…they should be cancelled.

Danny B Jul 8th 2021 10:55 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 13027424)
It was ridiculous having them this year…they should be cancelled.

Surely fans watching outdoor Olympic events is no different to 60,000 fans watching England play at Wembley last night?

bats Jul 9th 2021 12:18 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 13027433)
Surely fans watching outdoor Olympic events is no different to 60,000 fans watching England play at Wembley last night?

different countries innit, different attitudes. Boris wants to kill all the peasants, mJapan it seems not so much.

Atlantic Xpat Jul 9th 2021 1:00 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 13027433)
Surely fans watching outdoor Olympic events is no different to 60,000 fans watching England play at Wembley last night?


Originally Posted by bats (Post 13027450)
different countries innit, different attitudes. Boris wants to kill all the peasants, mJapan it seems not so much.

Vaccination rates in Japan are significantly lower than in the UK. That's the rationale for no spectators at the games. Vax hesitancy is apparently a big thing in Japan. On the UK and footy crowds / general relaxing of restrictions, it does rather feel like an experiment where n=population fo the UK to see whether vax rates make covid manageable.

Jerseygirl Jul 9th 2021 1:05 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 13027433)
Surely fans watching outdoor Olympic events is no different to 60,000 fans watching England play at Wembley last night?

Not really…only 5% (approx) of Japanese have been vaccinated,

caretaker Jul 9th 2021 1:34 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 13027586)
Not really…only 5% (approx) of Japanese have been vaccinated,

As long as they can get vaccine supplies, they're jabbing over a million people a day, but if it's currently only 5% and the numbers in here are right, the rural areas must really be falling behind.
https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other...ded/ar-AALXbHb

Danny B Jul 9th 2021 3:06 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 13027586)
Not really…only 5% (approx) of Japanese have been vaccinated,

I did a quick search and it says 27% of the population, that’s 34m people, almost the entire population of Canada. What a shame they won’t be offering tickets to vaccinated folk.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

Jerseygirl Jul 9th 2021 3:35 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 13027630)
I did a quick search and it says 27% of the population, that’s 34m people, almost the entire population of Canada. What a shame they won’t be offering tickets to vaccinated folk.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations


Must admit the 5% was the reported figure a few weeks ago.

Jerseygirl Jul 9th 2021 3:38 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Most of Ontario is moving to Stage 3 a few days earlier than planned…next Friday 16 July. The exception is Waterloo because of the high Covid cases.

https://www.ontario.ca/page/reopening-ontario

Edit: Stage 3 was supposed to be the last, but Stage 4 has now been added.

Paul_Shepherd Jul 9th 2021 4:32 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Im sure there will be a stage 5 too! :rolleyes:

Jerseygirl Jul 9th 2021 4:48 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 13027660)
Im sure there will be a stage 5 too! :rolleyes:

:nod:

Shard Jul 9th 2021 5:58 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
UK Covid today 35000 cases / 29 deaths. Summer surge is on it's way. Scientists are urging the government to U-turn on so-called freedom day (19/7) but it seems unlikely that they will.

sharkus Jul 9th 2021 6:40 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
I thought there always was a Stage 4, as Stage 3 wasn't a full lifting of all restrcitions.

It's interesting to see Moore change his mind on moving Stage 3 up, as I believe he was adamant it would not happen. Maybe it's because we have reached the 70-80 / 25 threshold for first / second doses, I think it's currently 70/50 (not sure if that is 18+ or 12+)

Given how there are quite a few doom and gloom types on the health and political side of things, I too expect there might be a stage 5, which is either every restriction removed, or still some restrictions in place until some metrics are reached, you know, proof of aliens, that kind of thing. For some reason the powers in Ontario seem hell-bent on keeping us as locked down as they can for as long as they can for some reason.

What I'm also waiting for is news from the Education side of things as to what's happening for in person learning in september.

BristolUK Jul 9th 2021 7:25 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 13027641)
Most of Ontario is moving to Stage 3 a few days earlier than planned…next Friday 16 July. The exception is Waterloo because of the high Covid cases.
Edit: Stage 3 was supposed to be the last, but Stage 4 has now been added.

So that sounds like some of the original stage 3 has become stage 4.

In the UK stage 4 was the final stage and because of surging new cases was delayed. But now it's going ahead even though new cases have surged even more than the original surge that delayed it. :ohmy:

I was thinking stage 4a could have happened followed by 4b, but stage 4 with some bits added to a stage 5 to come would have worked too. ;)

Siouxie Jul 9th 2021 9:18 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 13027641)
Most of Ontario is moving to Stage 3 a few days earlier than planned…next Friday 16 July. The exception is Waterloo because of the high Covid cases.

https://www.ontario.ca/page/reopening-ontario

Edit: Stage 3 was supposed to be the last, but Stage 4 has now been added.

I don't seem to be able to find the details of Stage 4 - can you give me a link please? Thanks :) (I wonder if it's a Toronto thing?)

sharkus Jul 12th 2021 7:19 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 13027776)
I don't seem to be able to find the details of Stage 4 - can you give me a link please? Thanks :) (I wonder if it's a Toronto thing?)

I don't think they have worked out the details of it yet. Something tells me stage 4 won't be "everything back to pre-covid normality" though, I suspect higher capacities for things, maybe more things if you are fully vaccinated.

Siouxie Jul 12th 2021 7:46 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by sharkus (Post 13028576)
I don't think they have worked out the details of it yet. Something tells me stage 4 won't be "everything back to pre-covid normality" though, I suspect higher capacities for things, maybe more things if you are fully vaccinated.

But is this a rumour or an official statement, that it will go to stage 4? I can't seem to find any reference.. (and I'm usually quite good at tracking info down :D ) https://www.ontario.ca/page/reopening-ontario
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...id-19-recedes/

Although there is in Nova Scotia - so who knows! :D
https://novascotia.ca/reopening-plan/phase-four/

sharkus Jul 12th 2021 7:59 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
No I've not seen an official statement about stage 4. I'm basing it on, and I could be wrong, that there is no indication of how long stage 3 will last. We know we'll go to stage 3 on the 16th, but when will we come out of stage 3, and what will that look like? Back to pre-covid normality with all restrictions lifted? Something tells me that won't be the case,

Danny B Jul 17th 2021 4:34 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
What the heck is going on with new infections in England right now? 50k per day for the past two days. Can’t all be related to people watching the footy can it?

Jerseygirl Jul 17th 2021 4:41 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 13030403)
What the heck is going on with new infections in England right now? 50k per day for the past two days. Can’t all be related to people watching the footy can it?

They reckon by the end of the month it will be 100K. :eek:

Revin Kevin Jul 17th 2021 6:13 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 13030403)
What the heck is going on with new infections in England right now? 50k per day for the past two days. Can’t all be related to people watching the footy can it?

The virus is so imbedded in the population and testing is so widespread this is no surprise .The good news is that the increase is not being replicated in hospitalisations or deaths. I do fear however for those who have completely shut themselves away as to how weakened their immune systems may have become though having had no exposure to every day bugs and germs for 18 months.

Cheltonian Jul 17th 2021 6:20 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
The UK Health Secretary has got Covid despite being double jabbed since May 16, does not give one much faith in the efficacy of the vaccines.

Danny B Jul 17th 2021 6:21 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Revin Kevin (Post 13030431)
The virus is so imbedded in the population and testing is so widespread this is no surprise .The good news is that the increase is not being replicated in hospitalisations or deaths. I do fear however for those who have completely shut themselves away as to how weakened their immune systems may have become though having had no exposure to every day bugs and germs for 18 months.

India has a population of 1.3bn and they only had 41,000 new cases yesterday. Does make we wonder what has caused this sudden spike.

Anyone fancy a bet on whether BJ cancels the ending of restrictions on Monday? He’s damned if he does, and damned if he doesn’t.


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