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scrubbedexpat091 Apr 28th 2021 4:31 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
With 70% of Pt. Roberts vaccinated now, the fire chief wants to help vaccinate BC, if he can get state, federal and Canadian governments to permit it.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...s-to-canadians

The idea would be people would only be permitted to drive, would remain in their cars the entire time, get shot, then return back to Canada. The article doesn't mention it, but yesterday it was reported it would be limited to US Citizens living in BC and Canadian's who own property in Pt. Roberts to start out with. 75% of property owned in Pt. Roberts is owned by Canadians.

BC currently has roughly 35% of the population with at least 1 dose.

Jerseygirl Apr 28th 2021 4:43 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 13000230)
With 70% of Pt. Roberts vaccinated now, the fire chief wants to help vaccinate BC, if he can get state, federal and Canadian governments to permit it.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...s-to-canadians

The idea would be people would only be permitted to drive, would remain in their cars the entire time, get shot, then return back to Canada. The article doesn't mention it, but yesterday it was reported it would be limited to US Citizens living in BC and Canadian's who own property in Pt. Roberts to start out with. 75% of property owned in Pt. Roberts is owned by Canadians.

BC currently has roughly 35% of the population with at least 1 dose.

I think that is a great idea, why not let the US vaccinate people if Canada can’t do it? Both the UK and US has vaccinated approx 60% of the population.

Rete Apr 28th 2021 5:10 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12999818)
Nobody I know has had to pay to be vaccinated, I certainly did not.

I only have had one test and that was free but that seems a different situation as some you certainly pay for.

I most certainly did. It was billed to my supplemental healthcare insurance which sends me a copy quarterly of all transactions.

I'm a senior on medicare with a supplemental. So while they state the vaccine is free, it would appear that medicare billed my supplemental insurance and was reimbursed for the vaccine.

Covid-19 vaccines are free to consumers and vaccination providers because the federal government paid manufacturers to produce and deliver vaccines.Apr 16, 2021

Rete Apr 28th 2021 5:15 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by vinegarboy (Post 12999832)
Initiative, as always, is at a premium. I neither queue-jumped nor stole nor misrepresented myself down here in any way, shape, or form in order to get myself vaccinated. I merely hoofed it down to the local pharmacy & volunteered myself to receive any Pfizer that was end-of-day expiring, which they would otherwise have had to throw out. So, in essence, & apart from the pharmacist's (private-sector) time to administer it, I basically got vaccinated out of the U.S. taxpayers' (your) trash bin, for which I am, honestly, thankful. So thanks.


Didn't say you did and yes, it is great that you got it. It is definitely a must-do thing for all people in the US. I know too many people here in the south still waiting for themselves to become eligible to get the vaccine. It took my sister and brother-in-law in Florida 8 weeks to finally schedule an appointment and then one of them had to cross the width of Florida to get it.


Rete Apr 28th 2021 5:19 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 13000234)
I think that is a great idea, why not let the US vaccinate people if Canada can’t do it? Both the UK and US has vaccinated approx 60% of the population.

Here is the official figure on fully vaccinated US population:

"The news comes as the United States continues its effort to vaccinate as many Americans as quickly as possible. The CDC reported Sunday that 95 million people -- about 28.5% of the population -- have been fully vaccinated.3 days
ago"

According to Canada:

"The prime minister says 30 percent of eligible adults in Canada have received at least one vaccine.5 days ago"

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 28th 2021 5:42 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Canada has a long way to go to catch up to the US for fully vaccinated. Keep in mind the US is mostly if not entirely following the 21 and 28 day schedule for the booster, where several provinces are doing 12 to 16 weeks between 1st and 2nd dose.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...22e243cfd6.png




Jerseygirl Apr 28th 2021 5:43 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Rete (Post 13000254)
Here is the official figure on fully vaccinated US population:

"The news comes as the United States continues its effort to vaccinate as many Americans as quickly as possible. The CDC reported Sunday that 95 million people -- about 28.5% of the population -- have been fully vaccinated.3 days
ago"

According to Canada:

"The prime minister says 30 percent of eligible adults in Canada have received at least one vaccine.5 days ago"


Fully vaccinated people in the US vs full + first dose of the vaccine. That’s the reason for different figures me thinks. ;)

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 28th 2021 5:45 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
The lady who died in Quebec, she got the vaccine on April 9th, and did seek medical attention when she experienced fatigue and headaches but quickly went downhill in hospital.

She died on April 23 a statement from her family says.




JamesM Apr 28th 2021 6:14 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 13000234)
I think that is a great idea, why not let the US vaccinate people if Canada can’t do it? Both the UK and US has vaccinated approx 60% of the population.

I can't speak for Canada as we're calved up so well but in Ontario the vaccination program is going quite well now.

We should hit 40% of the population having had their first vaccine in 3 days and at the current rate of 90 to 120k vaccines per day should hit 60% of adults in 5 to 6 weeks.

There is some follow up to be done with second doses but the results in the UK suggest that case numbers should be well down in the next few weeks.

People hopping back and forth to the US sounds unnecessary. Far easier to deliver one truck load than have multiple vehicles go in the other direction and movement of people is the biggest driver of spread.


scrubbedexpat091 Apr 28th 2021 6:46 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
To be fair though Lower Mainland residents crossing into Pt. Roberts is no different than those residents driving across the lower mainland to get vaccinated, either way people have to travel to get their vaccine, and Pt. Roberts being isolated from the US itself, is really part of the lower mainland fabric just happens to be another country is all.




Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 13000282)
I can't speak for Canada as we're calved up so well but in Ontario the vaccination program is going quite well now.

We should hit 40% of the population having had their first vaccine in 3 days and at the current rate of 90 to 120k vaccines per day should hit 60% of adults in 5 to 6 weeks.

There is some follow up to be done with second doses but the results in the UK suggest that case numbers should be well down in the next few weeks.

People hopping back and forth to the US sounds unnecessary. Far easier to deliver one truck load than have multiple vehicles go in the other direction and movement of people is the biggest driver of spread.


Jerseygirl Apr 28th 2021 8:17 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 13000282)
I can't speak for Canada as we're calved up so well but in Ontario the vaccination program is going quite well now.

We should hit 40% of the population having had their first vaccine in 3 days and at the current rate of 90 to 120k vaccines per day should hit 60% of adults in 5 to 6 weeks.

There is some follow up to be done with second doses but the results in the UK suggest that case numbers should be well down in the next few weeks.

People hopping back and forth to the US sounds unnecessary. Far easier to deliver one truck load than have multiple vehicles go in the other direction and movement of people is the biggest driver of spread.


Yes Ontario has picked up with the vax program…all we need now is more vaccine. :nod: Hubby and I got our AZ shots over 5 weeks ago, our daughter got Moderna last week. My sister and friends in the UK got their AZ shots Feb/March and are now due for the 2nd. But my nieces, who are the same age as my daughter, haven’t had theirs yet. Friends in the US had both Pfizer shots quite a while ago. Swings and roundabouts. :D

JamesM Apr 28th 2021 8:37 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 13000324)
Yes Ontario has picked up with the vax program…all we need now is more vaccine. :nod: Hubby and I got our AZ shots over 5 weeks ago, our daughter got Moderna last week. My sister and friends in the UK got their AZ shots Feb/March and are now due for the 2nd. But my nieces, who are the same age as my daughter, haven’t had theirs yet. Friends in the US had both Pfizer shots quite a while ago. Swings and roundabouts. :D

My parents in the UK have now had both vaccines and I believe they are now down as low as 35 year olds for first vaccine.

I don't know if Ontario could cope with delivering more than it's already doing as the IT booking systems etc are very wobbly.

Initially I was supposed to go to Mississauga for moderna which seemed ridiculous and discriminated against people who rely on public transit. Thankfully they moved the limit to over 40's and I snuck into a Shoppers Drugmart down the street.

But I'm optimistic about our roll out now- it just took them a couple of months to get going. Canada's small economy and lack of pharmaceutical company presence gave it little chance of getting going any quicker.

Interestingly I saw my Doctor yesterday about a non-serious foot injury and he was hell bent on talking about my mental health and fears of the virus. He said that my chances of being hospitalized if I caught the virus were 1 in 50,000 which sounded pretty good- two friends in the UK were both hospitalized. I told him it was 1in 1,000 when he asked me to guess. I now wonder if my doctor is an anti-vaccer lol.

Jerseygirl Apr 28th 2021 10:46 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Toronto’s Chief Medical Officer Dr Eileen De Villa said that the worse adverse reactions are with the 1st shot of AZ vax…not the 2nd. The reverse has been found with Pfizer and Moderna.

Hurlabrick Apr 28th 2021 10:51 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
I am 65 living in London, ON. Got my first vaccine shot (Pfizer) today. Appointment set for 18 August for 2nd shot (some 3.5 months gap). They did tell me I should have 92% protection in 2 weeks.

Jerseygirl Apr 28th 2021 10:57 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Hurlabrick (Post 13000375)
I am 65 living in London, ON. Got my first vaccine shot (Pfizer) today. Appointment set for 18 August for 2nd shot (some 3.5 months gap). They did tell me I should have 92% protection in 2 weeks.

My daughter was more or less told the same…10 days with Moderna. Whereas AZ is 70+%. I am hoping that when it is my time to get the 2nd shot, early July, they have found they can mix and match vaccines.

JamesM Apr 29th 2021 12:20 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
They think the efficacy is higher with AZ after one shot but in fact the efficacies are not a particularly fair comparison of the vaccines. If that's the advise the people who administered your vaccines are giving you then they are jumping the gun a little. This video explains why efficacies should not be compared and also explains how they work:

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 30th 2021 7:57 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Have to give credit to Manitoba and it's US neighbor for working together in vaccination.

Manitoba teachers will be next group up for vaccination in North Dakota.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...hers-1.6007257

This too.

Blackfeet Medicine Line Vaccine Clinic comes to the Port of Piegan | News | cutbankpioneerpress.com

shelley748 Apr 30th 2021 7:12 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
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Are people waking up yet? I have been doing a spreadsheet since January 2021 getting the figures directly from CTV News website (red banner on page) of the number of cases, deaths, recovered, etc. from ALL across Canada.
- the last column is the number of deaths daily from a population of 37.5 million
Whilst no death is acceptable I would ask you all to have some common sense- and ask yourself this question

Is it acceptable to close down a whole country for an average daily number of 52 deaths out of a population of 37.5 million?

If you are waking up- you will ask why are we being subjected to that? Then I will advise you that this is about way more than the virus and that Reiner Fuellmich ( the lawyer who successfully sued VW for their emissions scandal) is leading a worldwide team of lawyers in suing governments worldwide for the damage caused by the lockdowns, the PCR tests, the experimental vaccines

If you don't believe me or think i am a conspiracy nut, then I urge you to watch the discussion which took place this morning.

and also listen to an interview with Michael Swinwood a Canadian lawyer who is also part of the team.

https://www.spreaker.com/user/ehradi...cial-an-interv



All I ask is that you please think about things...yes people are dying and that is really sad, but people need to understand what the truth is.

dbd33 Apr 30th 2021 7:17 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by shelley748 (Post 13000959)
Are people waking up yet? I have been doing a spreadsheet since January 2021 getting the figures directly from CTV News website (red banner on page) of the number of cases, deaths, recovered, etc. from ALL across Canada.
- the last column is the number of deaths daily from a population of 37.5 million
Whilst no death is acceptable I would ask you all to have some common sense- and ask yourself this question

Is it acceptable to close down a whole country for an average daily number of 52 deaths out of a population of 37.5 million?

If you are waking up- you will ask why are we being subjected to that? Then I will advise you that this is about way more than the virus and that Reiner Fuellmich ( the lawyer who successfully sued VW for their emissions scandal) is leading a worldwide team of lawyers in suing governments worldwide for the damage caused by the lockdowns, the PCR tests, the experimental vaccines

If you don't believe me or think i am a conspiracy nut, then I urge you to watch the discussion which took place this morning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFB2AA28_q4&t=1s

and also listen to an interview with Michael Swinwood a Canadian lawyer who is also part of the team.

https://www.spreaker.com/user/ehradi...cial-an-interv



All I ask is that you please think about things...yes people are dying and that is really sad, but people need to understand what the truth is.


Just to note that I don't believe you and I think you're a conspiracy nut.

BristolUK Apr 30th 2021 7:20 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by shelley748 (Post 13000959)
Are people waking up yet?.....Then I will advise you that this is about way more than the virus and that Reiner Fuellmich ( the lawyer ...

Wow, lawyers...it must all be true then. All the other scientists and experts are wrong.

...a Canadian lawyer who is also part of the team..
Oh my god...a Canadian lawyer. Well that convinces me.

Yes, it's all fuss about nothing. Wanna pop over and tell that to India?

shelley748 Apr 30th 2021 7:20 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 13000961)
Just to note that I don't believe you and I think you're a conspiracy nut.

The fact that you came back to me so quickly and didn't even review the spreadsheet tells me you are not willing to listen to an alternative view

BristolUK Apr 30th 2021 7:21 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 13000961)
Just to note that I don't believe you and I think you're a conspiracy nut.

Several other posts over the last few months would verify that.

shelley748 Apr 30th 2021 7:22 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
well its your loss- don't come crying to me

dbd33 Apr 30th 2021 7:23 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by shelley748 (Post 13000963)
The fact that you came back to me so quickly and didn't even review the spreadsheet tells me you are not willing to listen to an alternative view

Also, earth not flat, moon not made of cream cheese, no need for a three hour video attempting to prove the contrary.

BristolUK Apr 30th 2021 7:25 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...e57d7769d1.jpg

shelley748 Apr 30th 2021 7:29 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
shame that you are so rude to me- ask yourself why the Davos cult are using the expression #buildbackbetter
I bet you think Biden won the election as well.

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 30th 2021 7:32 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Have to keep in mind it's not just about deaths, but ICU and hospital capacity as well, if the virus is allowed to spread wild hospitals would pretty quickly become overburdened, there are already parts of Canada where hospitals are struggling. Only so many doctors, nurses and support staff.

Plus the more the virus spreads the more opportunity it has to mutate, which its already done more than once hence the various variants out there now.

shelley748 Apr 30th 2021 7:36 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 13000972)
Have to keep in mind it's not just about deaths, but ICU and hospital capacity as well, if the virus is allowed to spread wild hospitals would pretty quickly become overburdened, there are already parts of Canada where hospitals are struggling. Only so many doctors, nurses and support staff.

Plus the more the virus spreads the more opportunity it has to mutate, which its already done more than once hence the various variants out there now.

Thank you for some adult discussion on the subject.

BristolUK Apr 30th 2021 7:38 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by shelley748 (Post 13000975)
Thank you for some adult discussion on the subject.

It's already been done. You must have missed it over the last year or so.

Originally Posted by shelley748 (Post 13000970)
I bet you think Biden won the election as well.

And there we have it.


dbd33 Apr 30th 2021 7:50 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by shelley748 (Post 13000970)
I bet you think Biden won the election as well.

Why, yes, I do!

Furthermore, I believe humans are changing the climate, Jose Mourinho is irredeemable and you can't have an egg without a chicken. Call me Mr. Rational.

Lion in Winter Apr 30th 2021 8:19 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by shelley748 (Post 13000959)
Are people waking up yet? I have been doing a spreadsheet since January 2021 getting the figures directly from CTV News website (red banner on page) of the number of cases, deaths, recovered, etc. from ALL across Canada.
- the last column is the number of deaths daily from a population of 37.5 million
Whilst no death is acceptable I would ask you all to have some common sense- and ask yourself this question

Is it acceptable to close down a whole country for an average daily number of 52 deaths out of a population of 37.5 million?

If you are waking up- you will ask why are we being subjected to that? Then I will advise you that this is about way more than the virus and that Reiner Fuellmich ( the lawyer who successfully sued VW for their emissions scandal) is leading a worldwide team of lawyers in suing governments worldwide for the damage caused by the lockdowns, the PCR tests, the experimental vaccines

If you don't believe me or think i am a conspiracy nut, then I urge you to watch the discussion which took place this morning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFB2AA28_q4&t=1s

and also listen to an interview with Michael Swinwood a Canadian lawyer who is also part of the team.

https://www.spreaker.com/user/ehradi...cial-an-interv



All I ask is that you please think about things...yes people are dying and that is really sad, but people need to understand what the truth is.


Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 13000961)
Just to note that I don't believe you and I think you're a conspiracy nut.


Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 13000962)
Wow, lawyers...it must all be true then. All the other scientists and experts are wrong.

Oh my god...a Canadian lawyer. Well that convinces me.

Yes, it's all fuss about nothing. Wanna pop over and tell that to India?


"A class action suit filed by Ottawa lawyer Michael Swinwood is going even further."It's a challenge to what is being put before humanity," he says. "We're saying straight up that there is no justification for the declaration of a pandemic ... I'd go so far as to say that what medical science says is that this is no worse than a seasonal flu." The suit is filed against the Canadian and Ontario governments, individual political leaders, as well as the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the World Health Organization and the Pope."

:lol: Damn Pope at it again I see.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ontario-co...100000560.html

Anyway, Shelley old thing, there have already been well over 3 million deaths from Covid over the last year or so. Annual flu deaths range from 291,000 to 646,000 over a year. So do stop talking loopy and dangerous bollocks. Trump and his faithful did that for months and they bear the responsibility for many deaths because of it.

PS: Pop out a buy yourself a nice new Surface Pro. You'll feel better. Really.

Lion in Winter Apr 30th 2021 8:23 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by shelley748 (Post 13000970)
I bet you think Biden won the election as well.

So does anyone else who has a basic grasp of arithmetic.

JamesM Apr 30th 2021 8:25 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by shelley748 (Post 13000959)

Is it acceptable to close down a whole country for an average daily number of 52 deaths out of a population of 37.5 million?

If you're smart enough to put together a spreadsheet I'm going to credit you with being smart enough to realize the lockdowns have kept the death rate down by preventing the hospitals from being over run.

When the pandemic began last year the whole of Ontario actually only had 150 intensive care beds. Currently today over 800 ICU beds are in use just for covid.

To clarify intensive means these people need extra care and treatment.

We only have so many doctors and nurses in the province to provide this treatment and they can only provide it to so many people. It is not infinite.

The only thing that has worked in reducing spread is reducing movement of people which also should be a no brainer for you.

Hopefully you are waking up? I have a De Longhi coffee machine that makes awesome coffee- this would likely help you with that!

JamesM Apr 30th 2021 8:30 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by shelley748 (Post 13000970)
I bet you think Biden won the election as well.

Amazing.

By a landslide in the end. It was very enjoyable.

You know your leader Ron Watkins doesn't even live in the United States: https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...6e070692f7eb5e

Lion in Winter Apr 30th 2021 8:31 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 13000996)

Hopefully you are waking up? I have a De Longhi coffee machine that makes awesome coffee- this would likely help you with that!


Bet the Pope has one of those.

Revin Kevin Apr 30th 2021 8:32 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by shelley748 (Post 13000975)
Thank you for some adult discussion on the subject.

You are risking it a bit on here, any talk like that does gets their hackle up - lol. To be fair it's not just BEP folk, there are a lot who just don't seem to care if we ever get out of endless lockdowns and restrictions. Some people I know basically haven't worked for a year and but have received furlough and top up money meaning they are on full pay. As they have no commuting and other work related costs they are £££££s in. I'm one of those who qualifies for zero help from the government. I can cope myself but I know of small business owners facing losing every thing including the family home.
Personally I have yet to be persuaded that the whole thing hasn't been massively overplayed and I feel so sorry for the young ones that already are struggling and who are now going to be paying this for the rest of their working lives.

Lion in Winter Apr 30th 2021 8:36 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Revin Kevin (Post 13001002)
You are risking it a bit on here, any talk like that does gets their hackle up - lol. To be fair it's not just BEP folk, there are a lot who just don't seem to care if we ever get out of endless lockdowns and restrictions. Some people I know basically haven't worked for a year and but have received furlough and top up money meaning they are on full pay. As they have no commuting and other work related costs they are £££££s in. I'm one of those who qualifies for zero help from the government. I can cope myself but I know of small business owners facing losing every thing including the family home.
Personally I have yet to be persuaded that the whole thing hasn't been massively overplayed and I feel so sorry for the young ones that already are struggling and who are now going to be paying this for the rest of their working lives.


3 million dead people.

Not my idea of "overplayed."

But debate that as you will, it doesn't justify loopy conspiracy theories involving Bill Gates and the Pope.

JamesM Apr 30th 2021 8:36 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 13001001)
Bet the Pope has one of those.

Everyone should have one!

I was always a coffee machine sceptic till I got one at the start of the pandemic.

It's a game changer!

JamesM Apr 30th 2021 8:39 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Revin Kevin (Post 13001002)
Personally I have yet to be persuaded that the whole thing hasn't been massively overplayed and I feel so sorry for the young ones that already are struggling and who are now going to be paying this for the rest of their working lives.

Go and spend a week helping out at a hospital in India Kevin- if you can't trust the consensus of health professionals then that'll set your mind right for sure.

JamesM Apr 30th 2021 8:45 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 13000972)
Plus the more the virus spreads the more opportunity it has to mutate, which its already done more than once hence the various variants out there now.

Fantastic point


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