BristolUK

Anyone having toad in the hole for dinner?

Danny B

4m infections later this tweet did not age well

caretaker

presto! If that tweet was a bottle of wine it would be corked.

bats

Cottaging

BEVS

I refer you to this --

Take sensible precautions and responsibility for yourself and also for others . At the moment and for the foreseeable future , a virus is dictating that we change our ways & we should take heed and do just that.

Enough is known to make a reasonable judgement call for oneself . People can moan, whine and argue all they like & many will, even over the simplest smallest of issues which are non-issues or easily solved with some thought . Some may decide they couldn't care less for themselves or for others. Some will drone on about 'freedoms' and the like. It is all defection from the real silent, invisible dangerous change out there .

It doesn't matter where you are, you don't have to buy into the foolish and thoughtless and self interest. It is simple. Distance. Mask as needs be. Hygiene.

oh and people should stop with the excuses, deflection, "what abouts" and whinging as that won't change anything. It is with us all and we, none of us, want to be maimed, disabled or dead from this & we shouldn't wish to in-advertantly visit it to anyone else either.

printer

So in essence as you highlighted people don't have to go to gym, beach, pub etc.. And yes that of course is correct that is your and my right to decide IF government or provincial regulations allow. Now lets remember that the Province of BC has decided like others to open up in best way it can so the Provincial powers that be have made that decision whether you choose to agree with it or not. Now if you think its too soon and there is no way in hell you are going to the pub or whatever that's your choice like its other peoples choice to go because its allowed. Social distance is still a thing, outdoors is not considered a risk like poorly ventilated indoors and most establishments are at least supposed to be following all the guidelines that allow them to stay open. It's not about freedoms or rights it's about actual regulations in force and if those regulations allow 50 people reasonably spaced in an establishment or on a beach then technically they aren't doing anything wrong. As soon as regulations say beach is closed or no more than 5 in the pub then we will have to abide by that.
Governments around the globe are struggling with this whole close everything up to stop spread and open everything up to help economy and has anybody got it right yet? Maybe New Zealand but they are going to have to open borders at some point one assumes

BEVS

...is incorrect.

It is considered a lower risk than indoors, provided distancing and hygiene is observed, but it is still considered a risk & actually is a risk, not just to oneself but to others by default. In fact how long the droplets are airborne is being revisited as is the notion of long term immunity.

Let governments and agencies off the hook by doing the hard yards and the right thing. Do that individually, for the community, for a nation. No complaining one cannot get a pint , a take away, a meal out. If one wants to support those businesses one can always donate said payment instead.

Meanwhile work hard re this killer virus first and foremost. Deal with the dreadful fall out best one can. Above all , be honest. Be very honest about what this does. Just don't shoehorn piecemeal so-called solutions to appease . It will not work long term other than to kill.

Perhaps it is time for the world economy to reset itself ( in simple terms) It has been heading down a bad path now for a very long time.

BristolUK

American distancing Vs Canadian distancing




Niagara Falls tour boats highlight US and Canada's stark Covid-19 divide

dbd33

Because the government says one can do something doesn't make it sensible to do so. The government says declawing and circumcision are legal but civilized people do not chop bits off their cats or their children. If the government said you could stick your head in a gas oven (jump off a bridge for those in America) would you do it? Probably not, and you'd think anyone who did is pretty stupid. So it goes with disease ridden entertainments, it may be legal to go to the beach but it's not civilized to go there and fetch germs to spread on to other people.

Sheesh, I don't trust the government to run my life and I'm a socialist (champagne division).

Nand

This is becoming the most sensible thread on the site.

It is silly how people who can't cut their own hair,make their own coffee and pour their own beer at home will pout instead of learn to do something useful. Just get over it and save lives by learning to do things yourselves even if its not the most professional job of it.

abner

As a champagne socialist, I'm sure you could find a beach where you didn't have to mix with mere "people", particularly in Canada, where most beaches just aren't that crowded, even in summer.

The real risk for Covid-19 spread in an outdoors, windblown environment like the beach is within clusters of people--extended family groups, partying teenagers, or the like--who choose to be physically too close to each other (despite guidelines) for extended periods of time, offering virus-transmission opportunities in an otherwise not-very-transmission-friendly environment. And by this time, several months into the pandemic, those idiots will remain at risk in almost any context no matter what the government says about anything.

Meanwhile, for those who make efforts to remain secluded at a beach, either singly, or within small groups who already share a household, there is ****-all transmission risk, and banning beach access for those participants would gain absolutely nothing from a public health policy perspective.

BristolUK

I like that. You should use it instead of Assimilated Pauper

DigitalGhost

Just because you want to board yourself up indoors and live the rest of your life as a hermit doesn't mean that everyone else will want to do the same thing.

BristolUK

But who do you think they then pass it on to over several days before becoming symptomatic? You don't see that they go home to their families, to work, to school, college, to potentially mix with more sensible people who stayed away but then receive an unwanted medical condition anyway?

Shard

Those kind of people will do that anyway. I think the value would be in signalling relative risk. 1:5000 risk is much greater than 1:50000 and as the weekly/monthly risk level fluctuated people might take heed.