Oink

What, that God is dead?

Sally Redux

Twilight of the Idols and the rise of the Superchav.

Pincher

I still believe it must be something to do with society as much with parenting. My eldest, who has had plenty of oppurtunities in life ( all of which she has rejected), compared to many, is right up there on the chav-o-meter. Neither myself or the O/H have any idea where it has come from. We both have good jobs and are educated with degrees and feel we did our best bringing her up. But I tell you what, if her neanderthal unemployed boyfriend calls me 'Mate' one more time...

simonfiction

Couldn't agree more with this. I remember reading once about all the articles that the Daily Mail print that turn out to be complete lies, it was pretty incredible and these were the sort of articles that ruin lives. I never trust any red tops or the Daily Mail for news. It's complete sensationalism. The front page headlines are normally selected from - a) Maddy b) Princess Di or c) Immigrants, followed by a photo of a middle classed missing white blonde girl to make you feel warm and fuzzy and something to relate to, next to a picture of crazy looking, evil bearded Muslim to make sure you couldn't feel any more worlds apart.

Sally Redux

and how it's all affecting house prices

Alan2005

You can say anything with statistics. I prefer to go on the real experiences of ordinary people. The UK is clearly full of benefit scroungers and chavs as indicated by stories such as the one Oink posted.

Oink

Until we realize that man is a man creation we will continue to fetishize and distort the fetishes of ideology until we are all crucified upon the cross of truth. Or that Argos finally closes.

Oink

Alan2005

I didn't know Elizabeth Duke sold crosses of truth.

Oink

I fear that this is not what Nietzsche envisioned when he wrote of the ubermensch.

simonfiction

I wasn't really commenting on the reality of UK society and what's wrong or right with it. Just commenting on how crap these papers are and how bad a source of information they are. Don't worry, I'm not trying to make out like the UK is some utopian society where there isn't a culture of abusing benefits.

Oink

What about abusing children?

Mum used boy of 12 for sex

msi64

Yes its a hellish place to live?????

A country that still gives you free health care, will give you a pension in your old age. Gives you freedom and Democracy for all.

But for you its all chav chav chav!

How about all the good things about the UK. Yes we have problems but it isnt the Hell hole you make it out to be.

msi64

What about the ritual killing of children in Africa! We can all quit bad stories.

Oink

There are those of us who emigrated for a reason. This is a problem that has been getting worse since the early 1980s. And for some people 30 years of declining moral standards and booze culture is enough.