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snuggs Aug 9th 2015 4:31 pm

Canadians in the UK...
 
interesting to read...

U.K. immigration crackdown could hit 6,000 Canadian students - Canada - CBC News

scrubbedexpat091 Aug 9th 2015 5:14 pm

Re: Canadians in the UK...
 
Seems like UK universities may have a reduction in revenue from international students in the future.

UK doesn't seem like a friendly country for immigrants of any sort.

Stinkypup Aug 9th 2015 5:32 pm

Re: Canadians in the UK...
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11720244)
Seems like UK universities may have a reduction in revenue from international students in the future.

UK doesn't seem like a friendly country for immigrants of any sort.



Please elaborate, I'm intrigued

scrubbedexpat091 Aug 9th 2015 6:51 pm

Re: Canadians in the UK...
 

Originally Posted by Stinkypup (Post 11720249)
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Please elaborate, I'm intrigued

This article and others about immigrants always seem very anti-immigration when it comes to the government.

This article certainly doesn't portray a government friendly to immigration.

Stinkypup Aug 9th 2015 7:15 pm

Re: Canadians in the UK...
 
Maybe they are "targeting" the wrong people. I personally feel that breaking point is very close. I will just deal with what I know best, the NHS/healthcare. It is, unless drastic action is taken under serious threat. One might say that that is the government's intention, blame lazy greedy doctors thereby opening up opportunities for private companies (often run by their colleagues/friends) .

I don't believe that anyone could really believe that the massive influx of immigrants into the UK hasn't contributed in a significant way to bringing the service to it's knees by sheer overloading the system seemingly due to unstoppable and unsustainable demand.

There are of course benefits from immigration but it has to be controlled. Due to the opening up of European borders, it most certainly hasn't been with significant consequences. The fences at the Channel Tunnel are I fear, being installed after the horse has bolted.

The Canadian students are a side issue, as a result of a governmental knee jerk reaction and they have sadly been caught up with these policy changes.

Former Lancastrian Aug 9th 2015 11:58 pm

Re: Canadians in the UK...
 
But isn't the UK a commonwealth country and shouldn't Canadians be allowed to go there and study and get jobs etc etc Im pretty sure I have heard several UK residents say that about coming to Canada;)

I would certainly say Canada treats its foreign students somewhat better than the UK does. At least here they can work 20 hours a week while studying and work full time during scheduled breaks and then Post Graduate Work Permits where applicable.

Pizzawheel Aug 10th 2015 1:05 am

Re: Canadians in the UK...
 
This isn't targeted at the lady in the article, it's a massive hole in the immigration system which is so widely known now they have the choice of opening the borders or stopping it, since they can't get any form of national ID or NHS registration going.

Here's how it works, you sign up for a course that gets you a visa. You're in the country and can legitimately sign up for NHS and pretty much anything. Once you've got an address, national insurance number and a few bills you're legit (think what they always ask you for when applying for a CC etc).

Then you just don't bother attending the course. The college is happy- they've taken 5K off you for nothing- and you're apparently a legit resident for life because there's no ID to prove residency.

Costs a bit but easily the cheapest and most straightforward way into the west.

And yes, I have very close knowledge of how this works.

scot47 Aug 10th 2015 1:11 am

Re: Canadians in the UK...
 
So what do you suggest ?

Pizzawheel Aug 10th 2015 2:46 am

Re: Canadians in the UK...
 

Originally Posted by scot47 (Post 11720516)
So what do you suggest ?

If you accept that Britain realistically has no control of people within the country- ie once you're through the border checks your home- you might need to cut down on the educational "export". Or at least do a cost benefit analysis.

Tightening the rules and regulations will have zero effect if you can simply stay and enjoy all the benefits.

A better system would be to have some sort of idea who's running round in the green and pleasant land.

I actually like the OHIP cards, PR cards etc now I understand the ramifications of not having them. But it's hard to apply things retrospectively.

dbd33 Aug 10th 2015 2:47 am

Re: Canadians in the UK...
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11720244)
UK doesn't seem like a friendly country for immigrants of any sort.

One of my daughters emigrated there along with her partner. They had been working in a trauma unit in Toronto but moved for more excitement, more traumatic traumas, more pace. They had no trouble finding work but she was irritated to have to take the IELTs exam due to already speaking English like what I do.

JamesM Aug 10th 2015 3:03 am

Re: Canadians in the UK...
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11720244)
Seems like UK universities may have a reduction in revenue from international students in the future.

UK doesn't seem like a friendly country for immigrants of any sort.

That is not an unreasonable assertion based on the international media coverage the UK gets around the issues in Calais.

Once you add in the tabloids (particularly The Daily Mail) then you get the impression that there is definitely a segment of populace who feel that outsiders are to blame for their economic and social circumstance.

Sadly the UK, like Canada and other Western Countries needs more workers to support the ageing population.

JamesM Aug 10th 2015 3:04 am

Re: Canadians in the UK...
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 11720589)
One of my daughters emigrated there along with her partner. They had been working in a trauma unit in Toronto but moved for more excitement, more traumatic traumas, more pace. They had no trouble finding work but she was irritated to have to take the IELTs exam due to already speaking English like what I do.

She speaks proper then

Simon Legree Aug 10th 2015 3:22 am

Re: Canadians in the UK...
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11720602)
She speaks proper then

Shouldn't that be "She talks proper then" ! ;)

MarkG Aug 10th 2015 4:01 am

Re: Canadians in the UK...
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11720278)
This article and others about immigrants always seem very anti-immigration when it comes to the government.

Cameron's government are pretending to be 'tough on immigration,' in the hope that the voters don't notice they have very little control over immigration at all. If they actually were 'anti-immigration', they'd have left the EU by now.

Shard Aug 10th 2015 5:09 am

Re: Canadians in the UK...
 
Britain's handling of the refugees/migrants at Calais is a disgrace. They should be let in and if possible vetted. Longer term the Britain, France and the EU need a more joined up policy, but the present shambles over a few thousand people is absurd.


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