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Old Sep 19th 2016, 3:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Oakvillian


Canadian values, as espoused by the former government of Our Glorious Steve, seem to include complicity in "extraordinary rendition," enthusiastic support of interrogation-by-torture when carried out by Syrian and Egyptian inquisitorial offices, and thorough and total disregard for the principles of consular assistance given to citizens detained in a foreign country.

Documents show CSIS and RCMP's role in post-9/11 torture of 3 Canadians in Syria - Canada - CBC News

Kellie Leitch's supposed "conversation" on Canadian Values is a very thinly veiled xenophobic rant, with an awful lot of barely-disguised anti-Islamic rhetoric dressed up as jingoism and wrapped in cuddly words. It's poisonous and despicable.
Not previously having heard of Kellie Leitch, I googled. A neo-con lesbian, well you don't hear of one of those every day. I'm relieved to see that she's a figure of fun:

https://thebeaverton.com/2016/09/try...st-immigrants/
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Old Sep 19th 2016, 9:14 pm
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it's almost as if I'd never heard of the Internet
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No. It hasn't, unless you count the shiny new(ish) Sikh Temple around the corner.

I'm going to visit that next Saturday as a newly joined member of the Toon Humanist Society.
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Old Sep 19th 2016, 11:24 pm
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I'm going to visit that next Saturday as a newly joined member of the Toon Humanist Society.
If you can reconcile that with our Marxist-Hedonist values you have my blessing.
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Old Sep 19th 2016, 11:39 pm
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Originally Posted by Oakvillian


Canadian values, as espoused by the former government of Our Glorious Steve, seem to include complicity in "extraordinary rendition," enthusiastic support of interrogation-by-torture when carried out by Syrian and Egyptian inquisitorial offices, and thorough and total disregard for the principles of consular assistance given to citizens detained in a foreign country.

Documents show CSIS and RCMP's role in post-9/11 torture of 3 Canadians in Syria - Canada - CBC News

Kellie Leitch's supposed "conversation" on Canadian Values is a very thinly veiled xenophobic rant, with an awful lot of barely-disguised anti-Islamic rhetoric dressed up as jingoism and wrapped in cuddly words. It's poisonous and despicable.
Ah yes "Our Glorious Steve". He certainly redefined 'citizenship' and it's value to anyone in a precarious situation. Mind you, didnt he pay to bring back Lebanese Canadians stranded in Beirut and reverse his decision to revoke citizenship of Chinese that had no intention of living in Canada?
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Old Sep 20th 2016, 1:02 am
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Originally Posted by wheatsheaf
Ah yes "Our Glorious Steve". He certainly redefined 'citizenship' and it's value to anyone in a precarious situation. Mind you, didnt he pay to bring back Lebanese Canadians stranded in Beirut and reverse his decision to revoke citizenship of Chinese that had no intention of living in Canada?
No, "he" didn't pay. We, the tax payers did, to the tune of some $100+ million. Almost all of the evacuees had no intention of staying in Canada and promptly returned to Lebanon as soon as things calmed down.
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Old Sep 20th 2016, 3:48 pm
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Originally Posted by bats
Smile a lot, be superficially pleasant but keep a stack of daggers to use behind people's backs. Oh and go on about how frigging wonderful Canada is but spend 40% of the year in another country.
Agreed. Ref daggers - but its called being polite or "having a filter". Personally I think its just an excuse to be two faced.


Ref: 40% in another country - looking forward to that for me. The amount of my Canadian pals who hate snow make me chuckle.


Oh and to add, you simply have to drive fast and tail gate in bad weather, and never learn from the accidents.
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Old Sep 20th 2016, 5:30 pm
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Originally Posted by Simon Legree
No, "he" didn't pay. We, the tax payers did, to the tune of some $100+ million. Almost all of the evacuees had no intention of staying in Canada and promptly returned to Lebanon as soon as things calmed down.
I see your point and yes we taxpayers footed that bill too. That was probably the first & last act of protection of Canadians overseas. Since then, a theme of 'abandonment' of Canadians appears to be commonplace which begs the question of what values Canada truly upholds?
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Here's a way to solve so many of the problems of "Canadians" born in other countries caught up in problems in the country of their birth while they are visiting or living there.

If you come to Canada and become a Canadian citizen, the government of Canada will recognize you as Canadian and will assist you in problems anywhere in the world, unless you get into trouble in the country in which you were born or hold another passport for.

In this case you will be recognized, not as Canadian, but as a citizen of the country where you were born, hold a passport for and are in trouble in.
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Old Sep 21st 2016, 4:20 am
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Originally Posted by daveincolchester
Here's a way to solve so many of the problems of "Canadians" born in other countries caught up in problems in the country of their birth while they are visiting or living there.

If you come to Canada and become a Canadian citizen, the government of Canada will recognize you as Canadian and will assist you in problems anywhere in the world, unless you get into trouble in the country in which you were born or hold another passport for.

In this case you will be recognized, not as Canadian, but as a citizen of the country where you were born, hold a passport for and are in trouble in.
That is the effective position at the moment as you have described. However, people who had relinquished previous citizenships in order to take up Canadian citizenship are also being abandoned. All very confusing to say the least.
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Old Sep 21st 2016, 4:22 am
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Here's a way to solve so many of the problems of "Canadians" born in other countries caught up in problems in the country of their birth while they are visiting or living there.

If you come to Canada and become a Canadian citizen, the government of Canada will recognize you as Canadian and will assist you in problems anywhere in the world, unless you get into trouble in the country in which you were born or hold another passport for.

In this case you will be recognized, not as Canadian, but as a citizen of the country where you were born, hold a passport for and are in trouble in.
Perhaps you could explain the difference between "a Canadian" and a Canadian.
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Old Sep 21st 2016, 11:43 am
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Originally Posted by daveincolchester
Here's a way to solve so many of the problems of "Canadians" born in other countries caught up in problems in the country of their birth while they are visiting or living there.

If you come to Canada and become a Canadian citizen, the government of Canada will recognize you as Canadian and will assist you in problems anywhere in the world, unless you get into trouble in the country in which you were born or hold another passport for.

In this case you will be recognized, not as Canadian, but as a citizen of the country where you were born, hold a passport for and are in trouble in.
That is a fairly standard approach. I had a friend from Russia who fled to Germany, when she finally got citizenship she had to sign a form explicitly acknowledging that if she got in trouble anywhere in the world, German consulates would provide her with all the help they could - unless it was in Russia, in which case she would be considered a Russian citizen, and they wouldn't get involved.
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Old Sep 21st 2016, 12:10 pm
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That is a fairly standard approach. I had a friend from Russia who fled to Germany, when she finally got citizenship she had to sign a form explicitly acknowledging that if she got in trouble anywhere in the world, German consulates would provide her with all the help they could - unless it was in Russia, in which case she would be considered a Russian citizen, and they wouldn't get involved.
The above makes sense. After all, the person is fleeing for a reason and then takes on the personal responsibility of consequences when they return to the original problem voluntarily.
But what of the Canadian born person who visits a place of ancestry but unwittingly gets snared into something local? Canadian identity is a core pillar to citizenship, but if that identity is diluted at official levels it cant be enticing for wannabe Canadians.
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Old Sep 21st 2016, 12:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Howefamily
Agreed. Ref daggers - but its called being polite or "having a filter". Personally I think its just an excuse to be two faced.


Ref: 40% in another country - looking forward to that for me. The amount of my Canadian pals who hate snow make me chuckle.


Oh and to add, you simply have to drive fast and tail gate in bad weather, and never learn from the accidents.

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Re bolded I am one of those ones who hate the snow, and i'm actually making plans to leave but I get the flak for it from those same people who hate the snow
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Old Sep 21st 2016, 1:18 pm
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[QUOTE=Novocastrian;12056575]No. It hasn't, unless you count the shiny new(ish) Sikh Temple around the corner.

I'm going to visit that next Saturday as a newly joined member of the Toon Humanist Society.[/QUOTE]

Cool.
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Old Sep 21st 2016, 2:50 pm
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Originally Posted by Simon Legree
No, "he" didn't pay. We, the tax payers did, to the tune of some $100+ million. Almost all of the evacuees had no intention of staying in Canada and promptly returned to Lebanon as soon as things calmed down.
Why is this such a big deal for Canadians? Other countries evacuated significant numbers from Lebanon without making such a hoohaa about dual nationality and returnees.

Are the other countries more compassionate than Canada? Less bigoted? More accepting that people wanted to return to their homes once they were able?
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