Are Canada's immigration targets and numbers sustainable?
Jan 17th 2018, 2:12 pm
#61
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Re: Are Canada's immigration targets and numbers sustainable?
that doesn't solve the problem it just creates a never ending cycle of mass immigration..what happens when the immigrants of today become old and need support..its not a solution long term...you cant prop up a society of low birth rates by flooding a country with immigrants..eventually world wide birth rates will decrease significantly..which btw has already started.
Jan 17th 2018, 2:22 pm
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Re: Are Canada's immigration targets and numbers sustainable?
Is anyone asking the question why are old stock or cradle Canadians not having more children?
Are some being responsible and saying it costs a lot to raise a child and we both have full time minimum wage jobs and rent because we don't have a downpayment to afford a house etc etc.
Is there a difference in cultures with those who choose to have large families and those who don't though Im pretty sure catholics can use condoms now
Are some being responsible and saying it costs a lot to raise a child and we both have full time minimum wage jobs and rent because we don't have a downpayment to afford a house etc etc.
Is there a difference in cultures with those who choose to have large families and those who don't though Im pretty sure catholics can use condoms now
Jan 17th 2018, 2:23 pm
#63
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Re: Are Canada's immigration targets and numbers sustainable?
Somebody did
Jan 17th 2018, 2:26 pm
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Jan 17th 2018, 2:36 pm
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Re: Are Canada's immigration targets and numbers sustainable?
that doesn't solve the problem it just creates a never ending cycle of mass immigration..what happens when the immigrants of today become old and need support..its not a solution long term...you cant prop up a society of low birth rates by flooding a country with immigrants..eventually world wide birth rates will decrease significantly..which btw has already started.
Low fertility rates mean Canadian growth relies on immigration - Macleans.ca
https://www.med.uottawa.ca/sim/data/Birth_Rates_e.htm
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Jan 17th 2018, 2:40 pm
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Re: Are Canada's immigration targets and numbers sustainable?
Maybe
Too many foreigners not enough babies. Immigrants from developing countries have more babies. Shockproof horror this will lead to more people of colour in Canads. Encourage cradles to have more kids. Give more incentives to young people to have large families. Tax cuts, subsidised childcare, better maternity rights leads to increased tax for others. Big complaints would ensue. Nobody happy.
Too many foreigners not enough babies. Immigrants from developing countries have more babies. Shockproof horror this will lead to more people of colour in Canads. Encourage cradles to have more kids. Give more incentives to young people to have large families. Tax cuts, subsidised childcare, better maternity rights leads to increased tax for others. Big complaints would ensue. Nobody happy.
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Jan 17th 2018, 3:10 pm
#67
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Re: Are Canada's immigration targets and numbers sustainable?
Is anyone asking the question why are old stock or cradle Canadians not having more children?
Are some being responsible and saying it costs a lot to raise a child and we both have full time minimum wage jobs and rent because we don't have a downpayment to afford a house etc etc.
Is there a difference in cultures with those who choose to have large families and those who don't though Im pretty sure catholics can use condoms now
Are some being responsible and saying it costs a lot to raise a child and we both have full time minimum wage jobs and rent because we don't have a downpayment to afford a house etc etc.
Is there a difference in cultures with those who choose to have large families and those who don't though Im pretty sure catholics can use condoms now
Jan 17th 2018, 3:36 pm
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Re: Are Canada's immigration targets and numbers sustainable?
As a fairly young person myself, I have personally never felt anything pushing me towards having children, especially not in the UK. Swapping my current independent city dweller lifestyle for a life in the suburbs where I'm forced to worry about school catchment areas and only have peak time holidays in CentreParcs to look forward to doesn't have a lot of appeal. I can't imagine Canada being all that different in that regard either.
Jan 17th 2018, 3:38 pm
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Re: Are Canada's immigration targets and numbers sustainable?
Japan as an Island nation that was often under siege and threatened by outsiders has traditionally been very protectionist for good reason. It goes some way to explain the xenophobia that is ingrained culturally - that being said Modern Japan is already vastly different from Japan of the 80s and earlier. I have Caucasian friends who married Japanese natives and had children and now live there and felt very little hostility, which would have been unheard of previously. That being said there is still very much a perception of the Gaijin (foreigner) in Japanese society, which is both a curse and a blessing as it does mean that while you are treated differently there is also far less expectation required of you.
Jan 17th 2018, 3:50 pm
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Re: Are Canada's immigration targets and numbers sustainable?
As a fairly young person myself, I have personally never felt anything pushing me towards having children, especially not in the UK. Swapping my current independent city dweller lifestyle for a life in the suburbs where I'm forced to worry about school catchment areas and only have peak time holidays in CentreParcs to look forward to doesn't have a lot of appeal. I can't imagine Canada being all that different in that regard either.
Jan 17th 2018, 5:11 pm
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Re: Are Canada's immigration targets and numbers sustainable?
Exactly, that's the only reason for it really.
If the US actually reformed their immigration system in a sensible way the immigration levels into Canada would drop sharply.
They keep upping the quota but what they don't tell you is how many people actually stick around. Ryerson University did some research into it and found half of people don't stay more than 10 years and the amount of time they stay seems to be declining.
And if you look at the sources of immigrants, larger numbers keep coming in using the caregiver category.
If the US actually reformed their immigration system in a sensible way the immigration levels into Canada would drop sharply.
They keep upping the quota but what they don't tell you is how many people actually stick around. Ryerson University did some research into it and found half of people don't stay more than 10 years and the amount of time they stay seems to be declining.
And if you look at the sources of immigrants, larger numbers keep coming in using the caregiver category.
Jan 17th 2018, 5:14 pm
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Re: Are Canada's immigration targets and numbers sustainable?
Japan has little or no immigration and has actively turned its back over the last 20 years on western economic gurus stating its needs mass immigration. Japan is doing very nicely thank you..amid predictions it will reassert itself as the dominant economic power in east Asia in the next 10-20 years
Japan is a case study in how xenophobia doesn't work.
