lmartin999

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...n-climate-deal

Novocastrian

G'wan George, tell us what you really think.

He's entirely right though.

Thanks for the link L.

rwin

I wonder how long George left his car idling on the M25 this morning?

Novocastrian

I'm assuming you're referring to this 2-year old hatchet job?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/dri...cle1870293.ece

IMHO George Monbiot is OK. More than OK.

Stephen Harper though, is not.

rwin

Okay, so maybe George is a good guy. But what about your average person who hates Canada while driving their car in heavy traffic with one person in it?

Novocastrian

Eh?

rwin

Well, he writes an article and people get riled up but really don't change anything about their life. Canada is to climate... because theres a market for what we've got. And theres a market for what we've got because no matter what George says, people won't get out of their cars.

Novocastrian

Philistine.

bsmith

....Wow, George was really on a roll by the end.

jericho

It's easy to blame Canada, but if there wasnt a demand for oil, they wouldnt be producing it.
If it's not Canada, it WILL be someone else.

Lord Vader

Some thoughts;

Maybe George should lead a campaign to replant the lost forests of Europe and the UK. That would help with the C02. Canada could send over some forest experts to help.

The Euro's destroyed the Atlantic fishery.

Someone tell him that the tar sands are not in Toronto.

Someone tell him that Canada's 33 million are not expected to overtake China's 1.3 Billion in C02 emissions.

Lord Vader

Actually he is correct on that part. I have seen secret documents confirming the construction of a death star in Nunavut that will rock Israels world.

bsmith

...Edmonton yesterday unveiled it's bid to stage Expo2017 with "Harmony of Energy and Our Future Planet." as it's theme - man, who says Oilbertans have no sense of humour.

iaink

I caught George Monbiot on the TVO Agenda show yesterday. Hes a very pursuasive man, and he is completely right about Canadas position being an embarasment.

Harper still seems to be in step with G W Bush I'm afraid.

The debate Monbiot is in canada to participate in is live online this afternoon I believe.
http://www.munkdebates.com/

iaink

Fisheries have nothing to do with global warming.

As he would point out, he is in Toronto for the debate in the hope it changes hearts and minds. He would also point out that its emmisions PER CAPITA that count, and that Canadians produce 6 times the CO2 emmisions of the chinese per head, and we cant place the blame for that entirely on the Climate as Norway is just as cold, and yet has one third of the per capita CO2 emmisions of Canadians.

He would also point out that Canadians, in a temperate zone are able to cope with a few degrees of warming, some would perhaps welcome it. However its totally immoral that the emissions that Canadians are contributing too more than almost any other nation, will be enough to push the climate in parts of Africa past the point where is will become unsustainably dry, making life there impossible for millions of people whose own carbon emissions are a tiny fraction of those overseas creating the problem.

Canadas intransigence is an embarrassment, given its unique position to influence events within G8, the Commonwealth and the North American economic area.