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MillieF May 15th 2013 12:57 pm

Can I have some help on Fish please?
 
I am trying to get to grips with some of the local fish that I find on sale here....bearing in mind NB doesn't have big supermarkets, and its a bit hit and miss what you might find on sale from one day to the next in the fish department. Tonight we had a lovely Arctic Char....but it didn't taste a bit like the one that I had previously cooked in France, and was a lot less pink than the same named fish that my husband remembers from BC - but was very nice nevertheless. Also on sale was something called a B Liner (a first for me) I came home and looked it up and its called a Vermillion Snapper....but the one on the Internet looked a very different fellow to the one in Atlantic Superstore, and not a BIT Vermillion. There were only three local fishes on sale tonight apart from the ubiquitous Salmon etc.

Can you give me some 'local' names, of something we might like to try grilled please? We really used to like Dorade, and John Dory...and lots of others whose names have fled! but I don't know what anything is called here, although it's generally fun finding out...if we can find them, the quality is super.

Many thanks.

bats May 15th 2013 1:06 pm

Re: Can I have some help on Fish please?
 
Can't really help over here in Ontario. We get the usual salmon, trout, cod, haddock. Plenty of fish in the river but I'm not that keen on them. If you find out what dorade is called here I would be interested. Do you have a Costco as they have good fish.

geedee May 15th 2013 1:16 pm

Re: Can I have some help on Fish please?
 
You might find this interesting... and then again, you might not.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/...-reaction.html

BristolUK May 15th 2013 1:52 pm

Re: Can I have some help on Fish please?
 

Originally Posted by MillieF (Post 10709984)
bearing in mind NB doesn't have big supermarkets,

Did you really mean to say that? :confused:

Siouxie May 15th 2013 11:39 pm

Re: Can I have some help on Fish please?
 
http://www.seafoodsource.com/seafoodhandbook-list.aspx

I buy Basa (a type of catfish) which is mildly flavoured and has a good texture, I also like Tilapia. John Dorey is a European fish and I haven't seen it in Ontario (yet). Haddock seems quite popular here too (particularly at fish and chip shops).

Here's a list of freshwater fish found in NB - you should be able to find out what the equivalent was in Europe. http://www.unb.ca/research/institute...ies/index.html or http://www.unb.ca/fredericton/scienc...%20species.htm

Are you looking for fresh fish or frozen?

:)

Novocastrian May 16th 2013 1:04 am

Re: Can I have some help on Fish please?
 
Dorade is bream. I've not seen it here.

Shard May 16th 2013 2:17 am

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 10710939)
Dorade is bream. I've not seen it here.

Yangtze Kiang
River of the Eastern dream
Teeming with trout and perch and carp and...
...Bream.

(Monty Python...sorry but you did say bream) :)

caretaker May 16th 2013 2:45 am

Re: Can I have some help on Fish please?
 
Two parrots were sitting on a perch and one said, "Do you smell fish?"

MillieF May 16th 2013 8:36 am

Re: Can I have some help on Fish please?
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 10710030)
Did you really mean to say that? :confused:

Well, yes in comparison to some of the whoppers in Toronto and other larger cities. We have Atlantic Superstore, Sobeys, the Co-op and Costco, which given the population is very good, and they aren't bad supermarkets, and I like the farmer's market...but they aren't exactly large...you have better bigger ones in Moncton, I recall.

BristolUK May 16th 2013 8:42 am

Re: Can I have some help on Fish please?
 

Originally Posted by MillieF (Post 10711581)
Well, yes in comparison to some of the whoppers in Toronto and other larger cities. We have Atlantic Superstore, Sobeys, the Co-op and Costco, which given the population is very good, and they aren't bad supermarkets, and I like the farmer's market...but they aren't exactly large...you have better bigger ones in Moncton, I recall.

I don't know. I only had a day trip to Fredericton but it's hard to believe they aren't similar to here.

Superstore and Sobeys here seem the same size and choice (equivalent) as I was used to in Montreal - except for frogs legs which I don't see here. :(

MillieF May 16th 2013 8:49 am

Re: Can I have some help on Fish please?
 

Originally Posted by siouxie (Post 10710791)
http://www.seafoodsource.com/seafoodhandbook-list.aspx

I buy Basa (a type of catfish) which is mildly flavoured and has a good texture, I also like Tilapia. John Dorey is a European fish and I haven't seen it in Ontario (yet). Haddock seems quite popular here too (particularly at fish and chip shops).

Here's a list of freshwater fish found in NB - you should be able to find out what the equivalent was in Europe. http://www.unb.ca/research/institute...ies/index.html or http://www.unb.ca/fredericton/scienc...%20species.htm

Are you looking for fresh fish or frozen?
:)

Siouxie, many thanks, I shall most definitely give a Basa a try!

Novo, apologies, I realise now that I got the Beam mixed up! All fish seem to have such different names and I was never too sure what they were called in the UK either, and my husband keeps saying they are his favorite fish:ohmy:

BristolUK May 16th 2013 9:00 am

Re: Can I have some help on Fish please?
 
The Basa seems to have suddenly appeared in the last few months. I came across it in Giant Tiger of all places.

I remember reading that Sole was just a general name for flatfish.

Siouxie May 16th 2013 9:04 am

Re: Can I have some help on Fish please?
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 10709993)
Can't really help over here in Ontario. We get the usual salmon, trout, cod, haddock. Plenty of fish in the river but I'm not that keen on them. If you find out what dorade is called here I would be interested. Do you have a Costco as they have good fish.

http://metro.ca/conseil-expert/poiss...dorade.en.html

It's called Dorade!


Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 10711605)
The Basa seems to have suddenly appeared in the last few months. I came across it in Giant Tiger of all places.

I remember reading that Sole was just a general name for flatfish.

I've been buying Basa for about 6 years, so it's been available for a while.

The Common or Dover Sole is the only true "sole" apparently.

:D

BristolUK May 16th 2013 9:04 am

Re: Can I have some help on Fish please?
 

Originally Posted by MillieF (Post 10711595)
All fish seem to have such different names

Just like the steak.:unsure:

sandylns May 17th 2013 12:01 pm

Re: Can I have some help on Fish please?
 
The Dover Sole usually sold in North America is not a true sole. Only the one found off the coast of Europe is a Dover Sole. Latin name Solea Solea. The flesh of the European sole is whiter and a little firmer than the pacific variety. Its Latin name is microtomes Pacifica.
Also, flounder is sold as sole over here. The flesh on it is quite firm but much greyer. There used to be an abundance of it but, overfishing has decimated stocks.
Tilapia is almost always imported from Thailand and usually farmed. Cat fish is great if you can get it. Not much of it in NB but it has appeared in Sobeys and the Superstore.
Both brook trout and rainbow trout can be found locally. As can halibut.
Most of the fish you would be familiar with in the UK is just not available here. Things like John Dory, Silver Hake Sea Bass etc., Pollack or Tommy Cod can be found here. If caught fresh it can be quite tasty. Both are members of the cod/haddock family.
Apart from trout there isn't much in the way of good eating fresh water fish. Folks do eat pickerel, something akin to a pike. Alewives or more commonly gaspereau is also eaten. They are members of the herring family so can be very bony. Red snapper is available as is ocean perch, another red fish.
Have fun trying them all out.

caretaker May 17th 2013 12:59 pm

Re: Can I have some help on Fish please?
 
I think fish is overpriced in stores. When I didn't have any money and lived at the lake I ate fresh fish day after day after day and now that I'm working, I can't afford to.:huh:

MillieF May 17th 2013 3:19 pm

Re: Can I have some help on Fish please?
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 10713282)
I think fish is overpriced in stores. When I didn't have any money and lived at the lake I ate fresh fish day after day after day and now that I'm working, I can't afford to.:huh:

That is just dreadful. Why can you not now go back to the same lake and fish?
I generally, in this part of Canada, like the fact that we are closer (except for some veggies) to the place where our food started from....Where is the fish in the stores coming from do you think? I have just found out that where I live we have several vans that arrive on Friday with local produce at various stops, which is pretty good.

SandyIns, thank you so much. I have decided, even with the (to me, perishing cold weather) we are going to the coast on Sunday, and I hope to be able to buy some of the catches of some of the smaller boats...Yes! Many thanks Kijiji, we now have a smoker.

Lychee May 17th 2013 9:30 pm

Re: Can I have some help on Fish please?
 
Are there no fishmongers in Fredericton?

bats May 17th 2013 11:23 pm

Re: Can I have some help on Fish please?
 

Originally Posted by Lychee (Post 10713541)
Are there no fishmongers in Fredericton?

There aren't in Peterborough, unless you include the fish counter in supermarkets. Their stuff isn't bad.

An osprey once dumped a small mouthed bass in our front yard, does that count?

MillieF May 18th 2013 1:19 am

Re: Can I have some help on Fish please?
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 10713643)

An osprey once dumped a small mouthed bass in our front yard, does that count?

Wow! How amazing! Both the bird's actions..and you knowing what the fish was....well done. I am impressed.

I think fishmongers are a bit of a dying breed.

BristolUK May 18th 2013 2:47 am

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Originally Posted by bats (Post 10713643)
An osprey once dumped a small mouthed bass in our front yard, does that count?

Air mail delivery. Keep your eyes open for a stork.

BristolUK May 18th 2013 2:52 am

Re: Can I have some help on Fish please?
 

Originally Posted by MillieF (Post 10713747)
I think fishmongers are a bit of a dying breed.

Couple of options here...if it's up to date.

Tangram May 18th 2013 3:06 am

Re: Can I have some help on Fish please?
 
We don't buy from Superstore as it smells of fish.

bats May 18th 2013 5:58 am

Re: Can I have some help on Fish please?
 

Originally Posted by MillieF (Post 10713747)
Wow! How amazing! Both the bird's actions..and you knowing what the fish was....well done. I am impressed.

I think fishmongers are a bit of a dying breed.

Well, it was the man who knew what it was and that it was the off season. Maybe that's why it dropped it?. Usual reasons are that the prey is too heavy or an eagle fought the osprey for it.


Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 10713819)
Air mail delivery. Keep your eyes open for a stork.

Haha.

It worries me, well more freaks me out when I see one with a snake. I don't want that dropped anywhere near me.

Novocastrian May 18th 2013 6:19 am

Re: Can I have some help on Fish please?
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 10713979)
Well, it was the man who knew what it was and that it was the off season. Maybe that's why it dropped it?. Usual reasons are that the prey is too heavy or an eagle fought the osprey for it.

This reminds me of a time (a long time ago) when we were hitching around Corsica and found a whole lot of fish skeletons in the maquis right in the middle of the island.

We got the explanation days later when we were at the southern tip of the island and saw water bombers scooping up sea water and flying off to drop it on brush fires in the interior.

BristolUK May 18th 2013 7:02 am

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I thought that was the explanation for the frogman :rofl:

Alan2005 May 18th 2013 9:17 am

Re: Can I have some help on Fish please?
 
I like the fish you can get here; the salmon, for instance, is usually very good. The only exception is ling cod, which isn't that great if (like me) you are expecting it to be like proper cod.

Oink May 18th 2013 10:27 am

Re: Can I have some help on Fish please?
 

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 10714123)
I like the fish you can get here; the salmon, for instance, is usually very good. The only exception is ling cod, which isn't that great if (like me) you are expecting it to be like proper cod.

Its a rock fish, much like snapper. That said, it can be very nice if fresh. White chinook salmon is very much like proper cod and is usually cheaper than the red. Localish halibut is also very good but much spendier.

Novocastrian May 18th 2013 2:35 pm

Re: Can I have some help on Fish please?
 
OK. One for Oakvillian I think. Or possibly someone equally erudite such as Magnumpi.

It's about fish.

I was watching an old episode of Pie in the Sky on PBS on hour ago and Inspector Crabbe said of a supplier to his restaurant, "His fish is outstanding".

Now It sounds perfectly correct to me and I know that "fish" and "fishes" are both valid plurals of "fish", but shouldn't it have been "are" and if so why not?

I'm assuming Pie in the Sky bought more than one.

Bored, moi?

Alan2005 May 18th 2013 3:28 pm

Re: Can I have some help on Fish please?
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 10714325)
OK. One for Oakvillian I think. Or possibly someone equally erudite such as Magnumpi.

It's about fish.

I was watching an old episode of Pie in the Sky on PBS on hour ago and Inspector Crabbe said of a supplier to his restaurant, "His fish is outstanding".

Now It sounds perfectly correct to me and I know that "fish" and "fishes" are both valid plurals of "fish", but shouldn't it have been "are" and if so why not?

I'm assuming Pie in the Sky bought more than one.

Bored, moi?

Because it scans. Also because 'fish' in this case is used (figuratively?) as a collective noun for the group of things it represents (fish dishes) and collective nouns are usually referred to in the singular.

Siouxie May 18th 2013 3:28 pm

Re: Can I have some help on Fish please?
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 10714325)
OK. One for Oakvillian I think. Or possibly someone equally erudite such as Magnumpi.

It's about fish.

I was watching an old episode of Pie in the Sky on PBS on hour ago and Inspector Crabbe said of a supplier to his restaurant, "His fish is outstanding".

Now It sounds perfectly correct to me and I know that "fish" and "fishes" are both valid plurals of "fish", but shouldn't it have been "are" and if so why not?

I'm assuming Pie in the Sky bought more than one.

Bored, moi?

I just watched that too, lol.

I would have thought it should be "are" as well.

:)

caretaker May 19th 2013 12:57 am

Re: Can I have some help on Fish please?
 
Alan2005 has it right, it's presented correctly. In the winter we catch burbot, (lota lota) through the ice and they're very good, (they're descended from salt water cod, having become landlocked when the continents split apart).

bats May 19th 2013 2:23 am

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Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 10714363)
Because it scans. Also because 'fish' in this case is used (figuratively?) as a collective noun for the group of things it represents (fish dishes) and collective nouns are usually referred to in the singular.

I concur.


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