The British Election

Old May 12th 2015, 1:35 am
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.... Tony Benn seemed a more capable politician from that era.
Tony Benn might have been a more polished politician, but he was a political wingnut. There was a reason why he was pushed out of the limelight after the 1970's, ..... his political agenda had niche appeal, but he he was the poster child for "loony left" ideas that the Conservatives just loved to point at and say "If you vote Labour, that is what you're going to get!"
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Tony Benn...was the poster child for "loony left" ideas that the Conservatives just loved to point at and say "If you vote Labour, that is what you're going to get!"
Ah yes, dignity in retirement, decent wages, safety net , NHS, health and education, public services to serve the public rather than the shareholders....

Crazy stuff.
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Tony Benn might have been a more polished politician, but he was a political wingnut. There was a reason why he was pushed out of the limelight after the 1970's, ..... his political agenda had niche appeal, but he he was the poster child for "loony left" ideas that the Conservatives just loved to point at and say "If you vote Labour, that is what you're going to get!"
The ultimate champagne socialist.
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Ah yes, dignity in retirement, decent wages, safety net , NHS, health and education, public services to serve the public rather than the shareholders....

Crazy stuff.
I didn't say he had no good ideas, just that he had more than his fair shar of hairbrained ones. ...... And he was completely delusional about what "decent wages" meant because he didn't seem aware that a business has to sell sufficient quantities of well made products and/or compete against global suppliers, to generate the revenue to pay those wages. If his backers were making top quality products and/or producing at prices competitive with other countries, then they would have had an excellent claim for "decent pay". As it was the "old industries" were producing crap and at too high a cost, ..... when they were producing anything at all!
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The ultimate champagne socialist.
For once you and I agree entirely.
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The ultimate champagne socialist.
And for once I disagree. Tony Benn, as already been mentioned, was a man of integrity, perhaps born to champagne but moral and admirable enough to spit it out.

He was elected to the Commons before his Dad croaked, making him unwillingly a Viscount and he immediately did what he could do to stay in the Commons, which was to bring about the 1963 Reform Act, which allowed him to renounced his unwanted and poisonous Peerage.

Many of you will have heard of Paul Foot, his son, because he was a journo later on, but I knew him when he was a true son of his father.

Respect.
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And for once I disagree. Tony Benn, as already been mentioned, was a man of integrity, perhaps born to champagne but moral and admirable enough to spit it out.

He was elected to the Commons before his Dad croaked, making him unwillingly a Viscount and he immediately did what he could do to stay in the Commons, which was to bring about the 1963 Reform Act, which allowed him to renounced his unwanted and poisonous Peerage.

Many of you will have heard of Paul Foot, his son, because he was a journo later on, but I knew him when he was a true son of his father.

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You are awfully confused. Paul Foot was the son of Michael Foot, and was unrelated to Tony Benn.
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You are awfully confused. Paul Foot was the son of Michael Foot, and was unrelated to Tony Benn.
Oh yes, Whatever, all the same stuff really.

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Oh yes, Whatever, all the same stuff really.

I;m going to bed now.
Been overdoing it on the champagne ?
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And for once I disagree. Tony Benn, as already been mentioned, was a man of integrity, perhaps born to champagne but moral and admirable enough to spit it out.

He was elected to the Commons before his Dad croaked, making him unwillingly a Viscount and he immediately did what he could do to stay in the Commons, which was to bring about the 1963 Reform Act, which allowed him to renounced his unwanted and poisonous Peerage.
Only for his son (not Paul Foot) to become the 3rd Viscount Stansgate upon his death. He didn't change the law so he could renounce it, merely postpone it to allow him to continue sitting in the Commons because he didn't want it to affect his Parliamentary career by being shuffled off to the Lords early.

I would agree that he did admirably stick to his principles despite the damage done to his career but then it's easy to comment on what's right for the common man from your mansion house in Holland Park. After all you don't have to worry about money when you have plenty of it.

Dennis Skinner, on the other hand, is the dictionary definition of a working class hero. You don't need to agree with anything he says but you can't fail to admire his tenacity and work ethic.
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Dennis Skinner, on the other hand, is the dictionary definition of a working class hero. You don't need to agree with anything he says but you can't fail to admire his tenacity and work ethic.
Ah, Dennis. The Beast of Bolsover
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Ah, Dennis. The Beast of Bolsover
Him and the Mouth of the Humber. What a pair!
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Been overdoing it on the champagne ?
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Stop your whinging: why the Left are such bad losers - Telegraph
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I too found the headline "Awkward" a bit contrived.
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