|
Re: Boeing 737 Max 8
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12771510)
You do realize Boeing doesn't build the engines which are General Electric in this particular aircraft.
That is like blaming Airbus for engine troubles on some of their aircraft when the fault lies with the engine manufacturer. |
Re: Boeing 737 Max 8
Is it a widespread issue with this particular engine? That is the question, if its not widespread issue, its not really an issue at all, engines sometimes fail, no surprise there.
Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow
(Post 12771519)
I do blame the company that makes the wonky engines, but I also blame the company that buys the wonky engines, and even the company that maintains the wonky engines and signs off on them, if it's an outside contractor.
|
Re: Boeing 737 Max 8
Why only a fine of 3.9M for this? Actions like this destroy any claim to Quality Assurance.
https://thehill.com/policy/transport...ling-defective " The FAA also said that Boeing was made aware of the issues by suppliers and still certified the jets as airworthy." "Boeing knowingly submitted aircraft for final FAA airworthiness certification after determining that the parts could not be used due to a failed strength test,†|
Re: Boeing 737 Max 8
Fine amounts are likely set in legislation, I doubt the law gives the FAA freedom to make up amounts, i am sure there are some sort of set criteria and amounts they follow.
Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12775118)
Why only a fine of 3.9M for this? Actions like this destroy any claim to Quality Assurance.
https://thehill.com/policy/transport...ling-defective " The FAA also said that Boeing was made aware of the issues by suppliers and still certified the jets as airworthy." "Boeing knowingly submitted aircraft for final FAA airworthiness certification after determining that the parts could not be used due to a failed strength test,†|
Re: Boeing 737 Max 8
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12775124)
Fine amounts are likely set in legislation, I doubt the law gives the FAA freedom to make up amounts, i am sure there are some sort of set criteria and amounts they follow.
Once you breach QA trust then nothing you do can be trusted. Not so much an issue if you make paper clips but passenger aircraft? |
Re: Boeing 737 Max 8
In order to determine the appropriate amount of the civil penalty for a given regulatory violation, the FAA uses the Sanction Guidance Table in FAA Order 2150.3B, Appendix B. If the amount of the proposed civil penalty is less than $50,000, then the FAA handles the action. However, if the proposed civil penalty is more than $50,000, then the United States Attorney's office handles prosecution of the action. The Sanction Guidance Table provides a range of penalties based upon the type and size of the violator, the type of alleged violation and the number of alleged violations. The sanction guidance indicates a minimum and maximum range civil penalty for each instance of a violation of various regulations. And while the Sanction Guidance Table’s sanction ranges generally account for different types of violations, as well as the nature, extent and gravity of each general type of violation, a sanction isn’t calculated through a “strict mathematical formulaâ€, but rather is determined based upon a judgment “of where a case lies along a spectrum of gravity.†|
Re: Boeing 737 Max 8
https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...tion-measures/
I don't doubt that other aircraft manufacturers bend the ears of their certification bodies, but tales like this tend to taint the industry as a whole. Is it as safe as historical data shows or have we just been lucky? Guess we'll never know unless.... |
Re: Boeing 737 Max 8
This really doesn't surprise me, the FAA has often been called the tombstone agency only moving when forced because of loss of life.
https://globalnews.ca/news/6283577/b...bPViTdrYzNRev83 After the first crash the FAA apparently estimated of the life of the MAX if Boeing didn't fix MCAS would result in 15 accidents. "federal safety officials estimated that there could be 15 more fatal crashes of the Max over the next few decades if Boeing didn’t fix a critical automated flight-control system." Only way Boeing will get any trust back is if they clean house, time to remove all current upper management and board members, clean the place top to bottom. |
Re: Boeing 737 Max 8
Not really a surprise, the MAX will not get approval in 2019, looking like January or February at the earliest.
Looks like the new director isn't letting Boeing dictate things. "FAA administrator Steve Dickson said Wednesday he would not clear the plane to fly before 2020, and disclosed the agency has an ongoing investigation into 737 production issues in Renton, Wash. He added there are nearly a dozen milestones that must be completed before the Max returns to service." https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/boe...4vhB1pszYTxVWU |
Re: Boeing 737 Max 8
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/bus...nuary-n1102851
So Boeing is to suspend production of the MAX. The bean counters won and... then everyone else lost heavily. Sad day for the workers, professionals led by idiots. It's difficult to look up to a management who created this catastrophe. |
Re: Boeing 737 Max 8
Not surprising, Boeing has said for months this would happen if the plane wasn't back in the air by end of the year.
Many of the management who created the MAX left the company before the MAX had first flight and delivery, I kind of think in part that might be why the board of directors hasn't fired the CEO and some other top management, the management who oversaw the approval and design of the MAX left before first flight. If only Boeing at the time went with their initial plans to build a clean sheet aircraft, only reason the MAX even exists is because once Airbus announced the A320 NEO series, airlines didn't want to wait for Boeing to design an all new plane and wanted an improved 737, but hindsight is always 20/20, I do find it rather interesting more than one executive left before first flight and before the crap hit the fan, wonder if they knew it would become an issue and wanted out before it did.
Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12779925)
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/bus...nuary-n1102851
So Boeing is to suspend production of the MAX. The bean counters won and... then everyone else lost heavily. Sad day for the workers, professionals led by idiots. It's difficult to look up to a management who created this catastrophe. |
Re: Boeing 737 Max 8
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12779980)
... I do find it rather interesting more than one executive left before first flight and before the crap hit the fan, wonder if they knew it would become an issue and wanted out before it did.
|
Re: Boeing 737 Max 8
At least for now Boeing isn't going to lay anyone off due to this, they plan to shift employees to other areas or continue other 737 related work.
Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12779925)
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/bus...nuary-n1102851
So Boeing is to suspend production of the MAX. The bean counters won and... then everyone else lost heavily. Sad day for the workers, professionals led by idiots. It's difficult to look up to a management who created this catastrophe. |
Re: Boeing 737 Max 8
Looks a bit too late for Boeing to "protect their reputation": https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/...hoo&yptr=yahoo
“While gathering with friends and family during the holidays, employees are likely to participate in conversations about the company and the 737 Max situation,†the missive says. “Reminders about informal conversations: All Boeing employees share the responsibility to protect the company’s reputation, even though you are not an official spokesperson." |
Re: Boeing 737 Max 8
Boeing is quickly becoming the company that seems unable to get anything right...
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/boein...134802433.html |
| All times are GMT -12. The time now is 8:25 am. |
Powered by vBulletin: ©2000 - 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.