Biggest Money Lessons from Living in Canada
#76
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The result of publishing was that a feeble minded old man was dumped into a situation of suffering. A dimwit went to jail for a crime he didn't conceive. The cost of housing someone in need was replaced by the cost of housing someone serving a custodial sentence who, in consequence of that sentence, is made more likely to need benefits later on. Everyone lost except the journalist who got paid for the story. It's a gutter press story akin to outing someone.
Plainly not on the care system of the country the person is moved from. The reason for moving the person is that there is no system in the source country.
Plainly not on the care system of the country the person is moved from. The reason for moving the person is that there is no system in the source country.
Last edited by dbd33; Nov 15th 2019 at 12:30 pm.
#78
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The result of publishing was that a feeble minded old man was dumped into a situation of suffering. A dimwit went to jail for a crime he didn't conceive. The cost of housing someone in need was replaced by the cost of housing someone serving a custodial sentence who, in consequence of that sentence, is made more likely to need benefits later on. Everyone lost except the journalist who got paid for the story. It's a gutter press story akin to outing someone.
Plainly not on the care system of the country the person is moved from. The reason for moving the person is that there is no system in the source country.
Plainly not on the care system of the country the person is moved from. The reason for moving the person is that there is no system in the source country.
#79
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Society organises itself to service members of that society and exacts contributions from it's members to pay for those services. Typically there's never enough to go around so taking more than you're entitled to inevitably steals resources from those at the bottom.
Whether it's an official overstating his expenses or an american falsely sucking resources from a health system it's not a victimless act, someone suffers as a result.
Last edited by dave_j; Nov 15th 2019 at 3:58 pm.
#80
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These are both ideas which seek to undermine properly functioning systems. If journalists don't report on it, there is less of a check, and more people may be inclined to engage in this kind of 'dumping' activity. It has an impact on the country of origin by removing a care requirement, and thereby validating the under resourcing of that country's care system.
#81
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In this specific case, who was suffering before the journalist arrived on the scene? Who was suffering afterward? You can't, in fact, achieve a greater good by hurting people.
#82
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To paraphrase Stalin, one case is a tragedy, a million is a statistic.
#83
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This journalist did what he should be doing, his job, and that involves reporting crimes against society.
#84
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Well quite. What I see here is a old man out on his arse, an idiot in jail and an increased cost to the British taxpayer. You and dave_j argue, if I follow correctly, that an abstract moral good; that being conformance to government policy on the two sides of the Atlantic, has been achieved. I imagine you're both old men, "There but for the Grace of God" you might think.
#85
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That cannot be true. The man was housed in a local authority care facility so the only cost to the NHS would be for any hospital visits he had.
I'd say this is a crime against accountancy. The NHS doesn't fund care homes and so cannot have been diverting funds to support the man from the nearly blind. The central government does fund prisons so the cost of incarcerating the idiot can more fairly be seen as depleting NHS resources.
His job is to sell papers (or the digital equivalent). That does not make him more of or less of a good guy than Katie Hopkins.
We're all aware that the bean counters ration underfunded NHS resources. The people 'hurt' by this act will never be individually identifiable, that doesn't mean that they don't exist. It'll be the old woman who's home help didn't come this week or the cataract op that's put off yet again.
This journalist did what he should be doing, his job, and that involves reporting crimes against society.
This journalist did what he should be doing, his job, and that involves reporting crimes against society.
His job is to sell papers (or the digital equivalent). That does not make him more of or less of a good guy than Katie Hopkins.
Last edited by dbd33; Nov 15th 2019 at 4:29 pm.
#86
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Well quite. What I see here is a old man out on his arse, an idiot in jail and an increased cost to the British taxpayer. You and dave_j argue, if I follow correctly, that an abstract moral good; that being conformance to government policy on the two sides of the Atlantic, has been achieved. I imagine you're both old men, "There but for the Grace of God" you might think.
#87
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#88
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The idea is better known, as are the consequences if caught. Whether that increases or reduces the practice is as yet unmeasured. The journo may well regret the outcome for the individuals in this case.
#89
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There are no consequences if caught. There may be consequences for any local accomplice you engage but, as the perpetrator, you face no sanction at all. I don't know that publicizing that fact helps anyone.
#90
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You are a journalist. You know the outcome of the story, you also know that publishing the story will result in more problems, and not just for you.
Do you publish?
You see the dilemma. A story that nobody hears about never happened. It's the tree falling in a forest that nobody hears debate.
For the man dumped on the NHS.
Q. Who benefits if the story is censored?
A. The criminals involved.