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rae Mar 19th 2008 7:30 am

armed and dangerous?
 
just had a thought whilst posting elsewhere, that there seems to be less shootings and gun related incidents here, than in manchester where i worked and was from before.

so, question: do armed police officers really have an impact on criminals using firearms? and do you feel safer for it?

mandymoochops Mar 19th 2008 7:33 am

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Armed police over here certainly have an effect on me :wub::wub:

Sorry Mr MMC

rae Mar 19th 2008 7:34 am

Re: armed and dangerous?
 

Originally Posted by mandymoochops (Post 6085787)
Armed police over here certainly have an effect on me :wub::wub:

Sorry Mr MMC

steady, what is it with girls and weapons?

iaink Mar 19th 2008 7:35 am

Re: armed and dangerous?
 
I wasn't planning on robbing a bank or mugging a granny anyway, so it makes no difference to me....

Not having much contact with the police I still find it a shock to see a side arm on them strolling around the mall, or a shotgun in the passenger side of a cruiser. I cant say that makes me feel any safer.

Elaine B. Mar 19th 2008 7:45 am

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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 6085804)
I wasn't planning on robbing a bank or mugging a granny anyway, so it makes no difference to me....

Not having much contact with the police I still find it a shock to see a side arm on them strolling around the mall, or a shotgun in the passenger side of a cruiser. I cant say that makes me feel any safer.

I find it more of a shock when I see Mall security guards with guns:ohmy:

Souvenir Mar 19th 2008 7:45 am

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I don't know if it makes me feel safer or not. I'm just used to the idea of cops carrying guns.

I've met lots of people with guns; civilian cops, MPs, soldiers, cops that are in the reserves.... None of them has yet tried to kill me, or shown any indication that they are thinking about it.

rae Mar 19th 2008 7:50 am

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ok, so would it be a case then of the bad guys not wanting a tear up so much if they know wilbur is around the corner with a 12 guage automatic.

mandymoochops Mar 19th 2008 7:51 am

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Joking aside I'm not sure if its the weapons as such that make the difference, and Rae being in the force have you noticed the difference between the tolerance levels of UK /Canadian forces.

My view here is that a local Canadian bobby (do you get called that???) can clip some mouthy kid quite hard around the ear (not that that happens often if at all) in these parts and is thanked for it - old style policing if you will.

There's a huge amount of respect for the RCMP here (even though the young bored teenagers are addicted to crack and set fire to things) whether they carry guns or not. So personally I don't think it makes a difference, its the strong arm, no messing right from the off style that wins over I think.

Stu-pot Mar 19th 2008 7:51 am

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Not sure about feeling safer - but the first time we got off the plane in Vancouver, my daughter saw 4 RCMP and said at the top of her voice look dad they've got guns like yours.
suddenly i had 4 set's of eyes staring at me whilst i explained about my having a shotgun/rifles at home.

felt quite scary at the time

rae Mar 19th 2008 8:08 am

Re: armed and dangerous?
 

Originally Posted by mandymoochops (Post 6085908)
Joking aside I'm not sure if its the weapons as such that make the difference, and Rae being in the force have you noticed the difference between the tolerance levels of UK /Canadian forces.

My view here is that a local Canadian bobby (do you get called that???) can clip some mouthy kid quite hard around the ear (not that that happens often if at all) in these parts and is thanked for it - old style policing if you will.

i get called everything but a 'bobby' i'm afraid, and have been told to "***** off back to australia" several times, which is quite amusing.

tolerance levels seem the same, i have not heard/noticed any of my colleagues going over the top, which in my opinion is how it should be. they are instead, less friendly and normal, they adopt a very authoritarian approach, speaking strictly in a robotic monotone.

rae Mar 19th 2008 8:10 am

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Originally Posted by Stu-pot (Post 6085910)
Not sure about feeling safer - but the first time we got off the plane in Vancouver, my daughter saw 4 RCMP and said at the top of her voice look dad they've got guns like yours.
suddenly i had 4 set's of eyes staring at me whilst i explained about my having a shotgun/rifles at home.

felt quite scary at the time

hhmmm. do not wish to be feared, but instead seen as someone to be approached as the need arises for help and advice. perhaps this is what firearms does for you and why they like them over here as they do not know how to communicate, because they do not feel they have to.

Souvenir Mar 19th 2008 8:17 am

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Originally Posted by rae (Post 6086018)
hhmmm. do not wish to be feared, but instead seen as someone to be approached as the need arises for help and advice. perhaps this is what firearms does for you and why they like them over here as they do not know how to communicate, because they do not feel they have to.

Didn't Dixon of Dock Green get killed in the original movie?

Stu-pot Mar 19th 2008 8:35 am

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Originally Posted by Souvenir (Post 6086044)
Didn't Dixon of Dock Green get killed in the original movie?


Blimey thats going back a bit - didn't he get kicked to death by Muffin the mule

Lorna_D Mar 19th 2008 8:41 am

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I am 51 years old and had never been near a police car in Wales for anything else than to talk to friends and family who are in the force.

I had been in Canada 4 months and I end up in the back of a RCMP car (they are not comfortable I tell you):eek:. My OH is a truck driver and on the road for 10/11 days at a time, therefore when he gets home he likes to go out and unwind (polite way of saying get pissed). I on this occassion am the designated driver and get to ferry a few friends around the village.

It was 11:30pm, minus 34 and more like minus 54 the windchill, I gets stopped in our village by 2 RCMP vehicles. I had pulled into our friends drive where one cop proceeded to block me in the drive with his full lights blazing. I was petrified, I knew I hadn't been drinking but everyone else in the van had so you can imagine the comments. I was asked for my license and if I had it on me at that time would probably be let go ,but stupid me had left my purse with my license in at home. At this point the cop asked me politely to get in the back of his car, mind my head etc etc. on the radio he confirmed my details and let me out of the back. By now I was shaking like a leaf, he kept asking me if I was alright but all I wanted to do was get out of the wind.

But I agree it is more like old style Policing as I remember growing up - the cop waves to me now cos he sees my Welsh Dragon on the front of my Van :D

DaveLovesDee Mar 19th 2008 1:09 pm

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Originally Posted by Lorna_D (Post 6086121)
the cop waves to me now cos he sees my Welsh Dragon on the front of my Van :D

No wonder the Welsh dragon is almost extinct if you had a collision with one.

Lorna_D Mar 20th 2008 2:58 am

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Originally Posted by CaptainHook (Post 6087153)
No wonder the Welsh dragon is almost extinct if you had a collision with one.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

rae Mar 20th 2008 8:08 am

Re: armed and dangerous?
 

Originally Posted by Lorna_D (Post 6086121)
I am 51 years old and had never been near a police car in Wales for anything else than to talk to friends and family who are in the force.

I had been in Canada 4 months and I end up in the back of a RCMP car (they are not comfortable I tell you):eek:. My OH is a truck driver and on the road for 10/11 days at a time, therefore when he gets home he likes to go out and unwind (polite way of saying get pissed). I on this occassion am the designated driver and get to ferry a few friends around the village.

It was 11:30pm, minus 34 and more like minus 54 the windchill, I gets stopped in our village by 2 RCMP vehicles. I had pulled into our friends drive where one cop proceeded to block me in the drive with his full lights blazing. I was petrified, I knew I hadn't been drinking but everyone else in the van had so you can imagine the comments. I was asked for my license and if I had it on me at that time would probably be let go ,but stupid me had left my purse with my license in at home. At this point the cop asked me politely to get in the back of his car, mind my head etc etc. on the radio he confirmed my details and let me out of the back. By now I was shaking like a leaf, he kept asking me if I was alright but all I wanted to do was get out of the wind.

But I agree it is more like old style Policing as I remember growing up - the cop waves to me now cos he sees my Welsh Dragon on the front of my Van :D


yes they are a little over the top. it seems they have one setting, its either on all the way, or not at all, so in theory you're vehicle stop will be pretty similar to the armed mass murderer. Having said that, once they are happy you are not going to start shooting, they improve vastly, still all business though. i keep getting told off for being sarcastic and over friendly, even though having a laugh with some of the people i come across is a great way to diffuse tension and get them on side. Appears to be lost here though.

Steve_P Mar 20th 2008 9:11 am

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Originally Posted by rae (Post 6090555)
i keep getting told off for being sarcastic and over friendly, even though having a laugh with some of the people i come across is a great way to diffuse tension and get them on side. Appears to be lost here though.

As you probably realise sarcasm is lost on most Canadians but I'm sure the humour is appreciated.

In 45 years here I haven't had much interaction with the police, what I have had has been relatively pleasant even when receiving a ticket, but I do think they lack a sense of humour.
I wonder if they beat it out of them in training.:confused:

ann m Mar 20th 2008 12:05 pm

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Originally Posted by Steve_P (Post 6090765)
I wonder if they beat it out of them in training.:confused:

Can I answer that one ? :rofl:;)

Lorna_D Mar 20th 2008 12:09 pm

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Originally Posted by ann m (Post 6091355)
Can I answer that one ? :rofl:;)

go on then, we're waiting :whatchutalkingabout

Steve_P Mar 20th 2008 12:11 pm

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Originally Posted by ann m (Post 6091355)
Can I answer that one ? :rofl:;)

Please do.

Inquiring minds want to know.;):rofl::rofl:


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