Any Trump supporters in Canada?
#346
Re: Any Trump supporters in Canada?
If he had faced the music in Sweden only to be instantly extradited to the United States (any reason why the US couldn't do that whilst he was in the UK?) and imprisoned then he would have had his sentence commuted alongside Manning this week. At this rate he'll be holed up in the Ecuadorian Embassy forever.
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#347
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Re: Any Trump supporters in Canada?
It's been awhile since I read about this, at that time the Swedish prosecutors were not willing to release evidence to Julian's defence lawyers until they had him in custody. Even when Julian's defence lawyers agreed he would enter custody they still wouldn't release evidence. There were texts messages and statements to do with the two women making the allegations getting money for their story and other political motivations. The defence has a right to see the prosecutors material and so I can understand his concerns about not getting a fair trial.
With the case about extradition, Lauri Love's case cost millions and took over 4 years to get to where it is now. The opinions I read from political commentators was that the extradition process from Sweden was expected to be much quicker and more of a guarantee.
I could sympathise with his situation because Sweden don't appear to be following due process, America haven't tried to extradite from the UK which begs the question why? and America still have a guantanamo bay so aren't exactly as big defenders of freedom and democracy as they profess.
I think it is very plausible that he'll go to Sweden, the charges will be dropped and he'll end up in America facing trial. Yet as far as I'm aware nobody has gone on trial for the crimes he has exposed.
With the case about extradition, Lauri Love's case cost millions and took over 4 years to get to where it is now. The opinions I read from political commentators was that the extradition process from Sweden was expected to be much quicker and more of a guarantee.
I could sympathise with his situation because Sweden don't appear to be following due process, America haven't tried to extradite from the UK which begs the question why? and America still have a guantanamo bay so aren't exactly as big defenders of freedom and democracy as they profess.
I think it is very plausible that he'll go to Sweden, the charges will be dropped and he'll end up in America facing trial. Yet as far as I'm aware nobody has gone on trial for the crimes he has exposed.
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Re: Any Trump supporters in Canada?
Can you post a link to the offer of clemency made to him? I hadn't heard about it. It's been over 2 months since a Swedish prosecutor questioned him, and he still hasn't been formally charged but to the US he is a high-level espionage target and the niceties of extradition can probably be waived. If he lives 3 more years in the embassy the sex charges expire but for President Trump (unless he has an epiphany about freedom of the press) getting Assange will be like killing Bin Laden was for Obama.
With respect to Manning, it has already been said by the US that the case doesn't set a president and was entirely individual and so Julian would more than likely still be in jail. As far as I'm aware, it was Julian who actually posted her documents anyway.
#349
Re: Any Trump supporters in Canada?
Read the Wikipedia page on Julian Assange, the minimum sentence for what he's charged with appears to be 45 years.
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I think you need to read the preceding para to your above wiki info. That is the possible sentence if convicted of the charges...but NO charges have even been laid on Assange.
#351
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That depends on whether or not you believe that they have a sealed indictment against him, just in case he should become available. That paragraph's up nearer the top though the government denies the report. Luxuries like formal charges and extradition agreements are for ordinary people anyway, and since he's considered a terrorist or as good as I can't blame him for hiding out. If the contract pilots hadn't talked we would never have learned about the network of prisons run by the US in foreign countries, and I'm not convinced they all got closed down as soon as they were discovered.
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Re: Any Trump supporters in Canada?
In other 'news', apparently Melania's speechwriter was apparently part of the inauguration party planning as well.
https://twitter.com/Duff_Goldman/sta...641216/photo/1
#355
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Can you post a link to the offer of clemency made to him? I hadn't heard about it. It's been over 2 months since a Swedish prosecutor questioned him, and he still hasn't been formally charged but to the US he is a high-level espionage target and the niceties of extradition can probably be waived. If he lives 3 more years in the embassy the sex charges expire but for President Trump (unless he has an epiphany about freedom of the press) getting Assange will be like killing Bin Laden was for Obama.
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I wrote that in response to your post that if he had been extradited to the US his sentence wojld have been commuted along with Manning's; I think that's highly unlikely. I only believe the US government capable of dirty tricks that they have demonstrated themselves capsble and willing to perform over and over.
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Re: Any Trump supporters in Canada?
I have to say that the idea that someone of his profile is going to be lifted off the streets by the CIA and end up in Guantanamo Bay is more than a little far-out.
It's also worth remembering that his 'profile' has only come about because of all this. Hardly anyone had heard of him at the time.
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