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Rodger Rabbit Nov 27th 2007 8:49 am

Re: Anonymous Fat Wife Poll
 

Originally Posted by MikeUK (Post 5607076)

Why are we letting people off the second biggest killer out there, obesity is the root cause of type 2 diabetes now being seen in kids, its directly linked to heart disease, recent studies indicate its is also directly linked to cancer
And it’s the easiest problem to solve with a sensible diet and exercise, :rolleyes:
FFS….. People who choose to get fat, deserve what they get
Like I say I lump them in with smokers and drug abusers and I struggle with the idea that somehow society should make an exception for fat people when they are such a burden on heath care and resources (they stuffed the carlories down their neck, nobody else)

Why should we be nice to fat people? when it’s so acceptable to treat smokers like lepers!
both set bad examples to youngsters, both cost us an excessive amount in taxes related to heath care…
Some peer pressure might just make these fatties sit up take up some exercise and become part of society rather than sitting one their ever fattening arses stuffing their faces with junk food whist waiting for their next health problem

For what its worth I have two kids now and a wife that enjoys working out in the gym, because she enjoys a healthly lifestyle and enjoys looking good, not for me but her!
And I think its clear I have a low tolerance for people who need excuses as to why they can't /won't look after themselves ! :mad:

Right the made me :curse:! I'm not large to an extent. I have PCOS which means i can weight gain. Sorry to you all for me going to work 16-17hrs a day so i can drain the NHS for the treatment i need. BTW it makes you weight gain but you have to try to keep it off to keep well! So if you looked at me you'd think big lass! must be all the calories i stuff down my neck! Let me tell you i eat less than my size 6 mum! So go figures when i get mad when people put crap about fat people!

Lisa

Dave+Jules Nov 27th 2007 9:23 am

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Originally Posted by Rodger Rabbit (Post 5607550)
Right the made me :curse:! I'm not large to an extent. I have PCOS which means i can weight gain. Sorry to you all for me going to work 16-17hrs a day so i can drain the NHS for the treatment i need. BTW it makes you weight gain but you have to try to keep it off to keep well! So if you looked at me you'd think big lass! must be all the calories i stuff down my neck! Let me tell you i eat less than my size 6 mum! So go figures when i get mad when people put crap about fat people!

Lisa

Sic em Lisa.

If I eat the same as my size 8 wife I would put on 2lbs a day, it is something to do with me having a metabolism of a dinosaur.

In the good/bad old days, people like me would have survived the famines when all the skinny dudes pegged out.

I am a quirk of evolution :D and my DNA has been transposed I should have been 6'5" not 5'6" some silly sod got it wrong when coding me up.

MikeUK Nov 27th 2007 10:10 am

Re: Anonymous Fat Wife Poll
 

Originally Posted by Rodger Rabbit (Post 5607550)
Right the made me :curse:! I'm not large to an extent. I have PCOS which means i can weight gain. Sorry to you all for me going to work 16-17hrs a day so i can drain the NHS for the treatment i need. BTW it makes you weight gain but you have to try to keep it off to keep well! So if you looked at me you'd think big lass! must be all the calories i stuff down my neck! Let me tell you i eat less than my size 6 mum! So go figures when i get mad when people put crap about fat people!

Lisa

So sorry that you metabolism isn't so great, and you’re a higher risk for weight gain, but it doesn’t make you gain weight in fact although It’s acknowledged to be harder for those with PCOS to lose weight, wouldn’t it be fair to say that your doctor told you that if your PCOS is associated with overweight or obesity, successful weight loss is probably the most effective method of restoring normal ovulation/menstruation !!

And you still need to face the biological reality that it still takes an excess of calories to create fat, and you ate them, nobody else, they didn't magically appear, nor does PCOS make them appear

daft batty Nov 27th 2007 10:13 am

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Originally Posted by MikeUK (Post 5607415)
To be honest running around after two kids has meant I haven’t needed to get out and keep fit as much as I used to, however I do miss some of my more adventurous outdoors sports
They provide plenty of exercise, the little lad can do at least 3kms, and if I want to hike more I do the rest of the Km's with an extra 35lbs on my back, try doing your regular cycle ride but with a passenger ( a passenger that wants to go faster)
I’ve never seen havinh children as a reason to eat badly, more so keeping every thing going and running around after two kid’s means that eating sensibly has become more important.

Did my wife put on weight? Yes on the first kid and it had all gone after 16mnths, same with the second and again the weights coming off, slightly faster now we're chasing two instead on one…

Poor woman, having to watch everything she eats in case she puts on weight and you might leave her and the kids.....................

MikeUK Nov 27th 2007 11:55 am

Re: Anonymous Fat Wife Poll
 

Originally Posted by daft batty (Post 5607828)
Poor woman, having to watch everything she eats in case she puts on weight and you might leave her and the kids.....................

Nice but you missed out this bit


because she enjoys a healthly lifestyle and enjoys looking good, not for me but her!
:zzz:

daft batty Nov 27th 2007 1:02 pm

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Originally Posted by MikeUK (Post 5608062)
Nice but you missed out this bit



:zzz:

ah yes, but still there that implicit threat in your relationship. So healthy.

Rodger Rabbit Nov 28th 2007 2:00 am

Re: Anonymous Fat Wife Poll
 

Originally Posted by MikeUK (Post 5607816)
So sorry that you metabolism isn't so great, and you’re a higher risk for weight gain, but it doesn’t make you gain weight in fact although It’s acknowledged to be harder for those with PCOS to lose weight, wouldn’t it be fair to say that your doctor told you that if your PCOS is associated with overweight or obesity, successful weight loss is probably the most effective method of restoring normal ovulation/menstruation !!

And you still need to face the biological reality that it still takes an excess of calories to create fat, and you ate them, nobody else, they didn't magically appear, nor does PCOS make them appear

Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome (PCOS), also known as Polycystic Ovarian Disease, is often caused by a hormonal imbalance. Insulin Resistance.

What Causes Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome?
Unfortunately, researchers remain unsure as to the cause of PCOS. Certain factors do appear to play a role in the syndrome, including:

Low FSH Levels: FHS, or follicle-stimulating hormone, is a hormone released by the pituitary gland in your brain. It helps follicles inside of your ovaries to mature, enabling ovulation.
Excessive Male Androgens: Most women suffering from polycystic ovarian syndrome have extremely high levels of androgens, which are male sex hormones. This could interfere with ovulation and contribute to PCOS.
Insulin Resistance: A large number of PCOS sufferers are insulin resistant. Insulin resistance occurs when the body does not manage insulin properly. Insulin is vital to proper ovarian function, however, so resistance to insulin may contribute to PCOS.


Right PCOS can happen in any circumstances. People under or over weight! Also it can just happen, not because of what you eat. I dont shovel calories i eat approx 780 per day to stop me gaining weight. Weight loss can assist PCOS but can also make it worse as your not stabilizing your body. Please know all the facts i've had this for 7 years when it was discovered i was 9st 4lb and a size 12. So it wasn't down to the calories. Unfortunately this was my main factor in weight gain. BTW. I cycle and goto the gym and still maintain this size. SO NO1 Especially me shoveles the calories.

Lisa

MikeUK Nov 28th 2007 3:12 am

Re: Anonymous Fat Wife Poll
 

Originally Posted by Rodger Rabbit (Post 5610280)
Right PCOS can happen in any circumstances. People under or over weight! Also it can just happen, not because of what you eat. I dont shovel calories i eat approx 780 per day to stop me gaining weight. Weight loss can assist PCOS but can also make it worse as your not stabilizing your body. Please know all the facts i've had this for 7 years when it was discovered i was 9st 4lb and a size 12. So it wasn't down to the calories. Unfortunately this was my main factor in weight gain. BTW. I cycle and goto the gym and still maintain this size. SO NO1 Especially me shoveles the calories.

Lisa

So based on this where do you think the weight came from ??, significant fluid absorption in lots of the ovarian cysts, rapid growth of a cyst into a cancer…..
They are possible causes of the weight gain in the complaint, but not very common, or are we attributing the weight gain due to variations in insulin levels, if that’s the case which is the normal result of this condition then I can safely lump you in with the diabetics and state that the most likely cause of weight gain is consuming more calories than you use..
The biochemistry in weight gain in nearly all cases is the same….

Maybe this should help
In a simplified explanation, the food you consume becomes sugar that will be transported to the tissues, muscles and organs of the body via the blood stream. Following a meal, particularly one that is high in carbohydrates, you will have elevated levels of glucose in the blood stream, which signal the pancreas to release even more insulin until the excess glucose is absorbed by the cells.

When you are Insulin Resistant, excessive amounts of free-floating glucose remain in the blood stream, until it is sent to the liver and converted to excess body fat. In addition, hyperinsulinemia (elevated insulin in the blood) encourages your liver to produce even more triglycerides which are directly related to a greater risk of heart disease

Insulin Resistance promotes fat storage because glucose cannot properly enter the cells to be used as energy. Elevated levels of insulin in the blood stream lead to a series of biochemical reactions with wide-ranging consequences that can lead to a variety of other serious health conditions, such as coronary heart disease, hypertension, Diabetes and some cancers.
The interactions of Insulin Resistance, PCOS and obesity are complex and still under medical review. Many scientists believe that this is a case of the "chicken or the egg" - Insulin Resistance contributes to obesity and is an underlying cause of PCOS, but obesity in turn worsens Insulin Resistance, which then has an effect on the development of PCOS.

The American Heart Association recommends that health care professionals "routinely monitor body weight (especially the index for central obesity), blood glucose, lipoproteins and blood pressure; treat individuals' risk factors ...and carefully choose anti-hypertensive drugs because different agents have different effects on insulin sensitivity."

Because there is no single solution that addresses all the symptoms of PCOS or Insulin Resistance, you must rely on a multi-faceted approach to reversing these conditions. A complete system, including neutraceuticals (vitamins, herbs and minerals that are disease specific), a realistic exercise program, nutritional guidance and a support network that will help you change unhealthy lifestyle choices, is required to address the issues presented by these syndromes.


Maybe it’s not the way you’d like to perceive how PCOS works
But the weight gain in PCOS is sure as sh1t is related to overeating,
The recommended treatment for PCOS for an improvement in all aspects of the condition in all cases from what I can gather is lose weight and exercise
This promote improvements not just in reducing the insulin problem
But also helps with all the other aspect of the condition

If you don’t think losing weight is going to help you, then you should be well aware it’ll will only make PCOS worse

For what it's worth, I have a friend with a very bad case of PCOS who is normal weight, but the severity of the condition resulted in the need for one of the ovaries to be removed due to the damage caused by the cysts

So I am familiar with this condition

bazzz Nov 28th 2007 3:22 am

Re: Anonymous Fat Wife Poll
 

Originally Posted by Rodger Rabbit (Post 5610280)
Right PCOS can happen in any circumstances. People under or over weight! Also it can just happen, not because of what you eat. I dont shovel calories i eat approx 780 per day to stop me gaining weight. Weight loss can assist PCOS but can also make it worse as your not stabilizing your body. Please know all the facts i've had this for 7 years when it was discovered i was 9st 4lb and a size 12. So it wasn't down to the calories. Unfortunately this was my main factor in weight gain. BTW. I cycle and goto the gym and still maintain this size. SO NO1 Especially me shoveles the calories.

Lisa

"Lisa, in this house we OBEY the laws of thermodynamics." - Homer Simpson.

Rodger Rabbit Nov 28th 2007 3:28 am

Re: Anonymous Fat Wife Poll
 

Originally Posted by MikeUK (Post 5610482)

For what it's worth, I have a friend with a very bad case of PCOS who is normal weight, but the severity of the condition resulted in the need for one of the ovaries to be removed due to the damage caused by the cysts

So I am familiar with this condition

I'm very familiar, i do excercise every day and eat very little what i'm saying is dont think i'm large because i do nothing about it. I do everything i can! And the whole point of this was someone saying fat people drain the nhs. Which i use but why the hell shouldn't i. When i help myself every second of everyday by watch what i eat and taking care of my self. And not everyone reacts the same with PCOS! "even if your friend is a normal" weight! doesnt mean everyone else will be! I couldnt actually care what you think really, but do like the forums. I have a husband that loves me and sticks by me, because he knows i always try.

Lisa

Rodger Rabbit Nov 28th 2007 3:31 am

Re: Anonymous Fat Wife Poll
 

Originally Posted by bazzz (Post 5610497)
"Lisa, in this house we OBEY the laws of thermodynamics." - Homer Simpson.

Pardon? I tried to look up the word, but didn't understand what you was saying to me sorry.
Lisa

MikeUK Nov 28th 2007 4:08 am

Re: Anonymous Fat Wife Poll
 

Originally Posted by Rodger Rabbit (Post 5610523)
Pardon? I tried to look up the word, but didn't understand what you was saying to me sorry.
Lisa

It’s the laws of thermodynamics that govern the fat calorie exercise issue…

A set of simple rules that dictate the behaviour of the universe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamics

In this case related to

consumed chemical potential energy = stored Chemical energy – used physical energy

iaink Nov 28th 2007 4:18 am

Re: Anonymous Fat Wife Poll
 
If it was as simple as thermodynamics there would be no need of nutritionists to take into account the actual amount of calories required by different people, and the balance of fats, carbohydrates, proteins etc.

The thread (as usual) has taken a twisted direction. It seems rather presumptuous from where I am sitting for people to be making armchair diagnoses of other peoples medical issues.

I guess it just proves the 2nd (or was it the 3rd) law that "everything tends towards disorder"

veteran Nov 28th 2007 4:21 am

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Although I don't know the person that has an issue with his wife having a baby and still carrying weight.....am going to go all out and say you are a buffoon :thumbdown:

My wife is 5 months pregnant now, and yes she has put on the weight like every pregnant person does, it will never cross my mind in a million years to think of ditching her because she is carrying extra weight. In the table is turned, how would you feel is she tells you she is ditching you for carrying a GUT?

Perhaps if you are willing to carry all the burden of paying bills and th rest of it, without her having to go back to work, she can then decide she will go to the gym and work out.

You don't deserve to be in a relationship

dbd33 Nov 28th 2007 4:26 am

Re: Anonymous Fat Wife Poll
 

Originally Posted by veteran (Post 5610701)
My wife is 5 months pregnant now, and yes she has put on the weight like every pregnant person does, it will never cross my mind in a million years to think of ditching her because she is carrying extra weight. In the table is turned, how would you feel is she tells you she is ditching you for carrying a GUT?

Obviously adding weight while pregnant is acceptable, at that time a woman is in fact two people; it's the rest of her lifespan that's at issue.


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