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Old Mar 29th 2015, 9:22 pm
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TSB Photos. Looks like some ILS equipment was embedded into the aircraft.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/tsbcan...7651565742766/
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Old Mar 29th 2015, 9:48 pm
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I believe "hard landing" is the aviation industry term for thus type of event. Crash sounds a bit dramatic, especially if there are no serious injuries.
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Originally Posted by Shard
I believe "hard landing" is the aviation industry term for thus type of event. Crash sounds a bit dramatic, especially if there are no serious injuries.
Like a near miss when arguably it was a near hit
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TSB breifs:

Aircraft landed short of the runway 335 meters.

plane hit antenna array and damage appears to have started prior to hitting the array.

Plane then skid 330 meters down runway on it's belly.

Plane also severed a power line.

Both pilots have 15 years experience with no accidents in their flying history.

TSB say's passengers and crew pretty lucky.

12-15 investigators to arrive in Halifax on Monday.

Investigators from France and Airbus enroute to Halifax.

FDR and CVR on the way to Ottawa.

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On an IFR appraoch it is really hard to miss. A wild guess, loss of power for one reason or another, or loss of lift such as ice accretion on flight surfaces or windshear. Certainly looks like a chunk of the localiser stuck in the front end.

BA 38 in Jan '08. Ice in the fuel blocked fuel filters and resulted in a catastophic power loss on short final. Not the time one wants this to happen.
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Originally Posted by Shard
I believe "hard landing" is the aviation industry term for thus type of event. Crash sounds a bit dramatic, especially if there are no serious injuries.
TSB is now calling it a collision with terrain.

30 March 2015 - Aviation news release - Transportation Safety Board of Canada
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A lawsuit was to be expected, but this was quick.

AC 624 crash: MacGillivray Law to file class action lawsuit - Nova Scotia - CBC News

Lawyer expects to file suit against Air Canada, Nav Canada, and Halifax Airport.
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A lawsuit was to be expected, but this was quick.

AC 624 crash: MacGillivray Law to file class action lawsuit - Nova Scotia - CBC News

Lawyer expects to file suit against Air Canada, Nav Canada, and Halifax Airport.
Sadly, not surprised to see this
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When something such as this occurs, wonder if the pilots are relieved from duty until the investigation is done? Or do airlines fire them early on if it appears to be pilot error, or do they send the pilot back for training, some time off and then back to work?
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When something such as this occurs, wonder if the pilots are relieved from duty until the investigation is done? Or do airlines fire them early on if it appears to be pilot error, or do they send the pilot back for training, some time off and then back to work?
Don't know for sure, entirely speculating, but I think the pilot error would depend on exactly what the error was as to whether they got fired. For example, if it was just sheer negligence (e.g., a secondary check just wasn't performed or a corner was cut or whatever) then firing makes more sense. But if it was a 'legitimate' mistake then I think it's tougher to flat-out fire the pilot for that. Not sure. I do think there's a difference that's important to distinguish, though.

I am still plowing through episodes of Air Crash Investigation on YouTube, btw.
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Originally Posted by SchnookoLoly
Don't know for sure, entirely speculating, but I think the pilot error would depend on exactly what the error was as to whether they got fired. For example, if it was just sheer negligence (e.g., a secondary check just wasn't performed or a corner was cut or whatever) then firing makes more sense. But if it was a 'legitimate' mistake then I think it's tougher to flat-out fire the pilot for that. Not sure. I do think there's a difference that's important to distinguish, though.

I am still plowing through episodes of Air Crash Investigation on YouTube, btw.
I have a bunch on my DVR that I need to watch still.....

I just got curious about what airlines do with pilots, I know at the airlines I worked for, any aircraft damage by ground crew always resulted in termination.

I know a couple of cases in the US in the last couple of years have led to firing's before the NTSB came out with findings, so I suppose it also boils down to the airlines policies as well and such.

Probably no one size fits all way to deal with it.
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Originally Posted by SchnookoLoly
I am still plowing through episodes of Air Crash Investigation on YouTube, btw.
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