Re: 9 Dead in Van Incident in Toronto
Originally Posted by Oakvillian
(Post 12488928)
...(incel - WTF is that all about?)....
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Re: 9 Dead in Van Incident in Toronto
Originally Posted by Danny B
(Post 12488255)
I remember watching this video a few years ago and feeling quite proud that this guy wasn't shot. Talk about a team effort!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mzPj_IaMzY The US has become a monster when it comes to guns now, I am not anti guns as such, but the gun control laws there are plain ridiculous, thats why cops are so trigger happy...shoot first, ask questions later, survivalist I guess, but it doesn't make it right, especially when certain scenarios where suspects are shot could be avoided. |
Re: 9 Dead in Van Incident in Toronto
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 12488290)
Not if he was Brazilian.
Cops in the US are facing a greater danger of being shot and are generally doing so for very little reward. It doesn't take anything away from this courageous and successful action to say that the comparison is unfair nor that American cops do also try to take terror suspects alive. The "only in America" assertion is also unfair in that Russian, Belgian and South African cops don't hesitate to shoot either. Yes, I agree to a point, its like I have said in my other post, the US has become such a monster when it comes to gun laws now....that many cops have to be this way to survive....but there are still too many trigger happy ones out there, but then the media does like to over hype those cases too. |
Re: 9 Dead in Van Incident in Toronto
Originally Posted by carcajou
(Post 12488602)
Really? I just challenged the "lone nut" conclusion by saying it was too early to tell.
I would think the press should win the "Jumping to Conclusions" award for saying, just hours after, "lone nut, no terror here" which has already been walked back to "motive unclear." As I predicted. Maybe it will turn out to be a lone nut. But these things don't get cracked in two or three hours and any "conclusion" coming out in the immediate aftermath - whatever conclusion that is - needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 12488835)
Really? Your first comment was that you saw Arabic writing on one photo and then rambled on about the possible ethinc mix and links to terror. You didn't ruminate in the effect of the LCBO, or the bank, or any of the other stores. Just those darned Arabs.
It's an interesting part of town as they originally wanted to make a second Downtown and it went eery. In recent years a lot of condo's have gone in that are actually affordable and now they are looking at doing a lot more generation there. Not far East and West are some quite nice homes so it really is a blend of incomes/wealth & young/old!
Originally Posted by Souvy
(Post 12488918)
It would have been a lot cheaper in the long term if the cop had shot him.
It'll cost a fortune to keep the guy locked up for decades. But what if it was the wrong person? Or there was an organised attack on Toronto and there was potential intel from the guy? Lastly as much as I liked reading Judge Dredd I'm not comfortable with police acting as judge, jury and executioner particularly in the heat of the moment.
Originally Posted by BristolUK
(Post 12488786)
Walked back? What press have you been reading? :blink:
I've not read or heard anything other than motive unclear. The only reference to "terror" I've heard/seen has been no known links (as with numerous others) along with the the "not a matter for National security" which is a new expression but seems clear enough. It was known he had mental health problems and also he was bullied a lot growing up. He also was in the Army but had to leave after two months. Anyway it happens. What I've found disappointing is the fund giving after the fact? I also remember when Lec-Megantic happened and no one else on my social media feeds really seemed to care? The out poor of grief and money for Humboldt was exponentially greater. |
Re: 9 Dead in Van Incident in Toronto
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Re: 9 Dead in Van Incident in Toronto
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 12488835)
Just those darned Arabs.
You have this habit of not reading other people's posts in entirety or thoroughly, and then responding to what you wish or thought other people had written instead of what they have actually written. |
Re: 9 Dead in Van Incident in Toronto
Originally Posted by carcajou
(Post 12489315)
Are you illiterate? The context of my post that it was too early to tell, was that if it was an attack, potential Arabs or Muslims would be victims, not perpetrators.
You have this habit of not reading other people's posts in entirety or thoroughly, and then responding to what you wish or thought other people had written instead of what they have actually written. |
Re: 9 Dead in Van Incident in Toronto
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 12489317)
How very lovely of you to pay such attention to my posts.
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Re: 9 Dead in Van Incident in Toronto
$5 on bats.
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Re: 9 Dead in Van Incident in Toronto
Originally Posted by carcajou
(Post 12489315)
Are you illiterate? The context of my post that it was too early to tell, was that if it was an attack, potential Arabs or Muslims would be victims, not perpetrators.
You have this habit of not reading other people's posts in entirety or thoroughly, and then responding to what you wish or thought other people had written instead of what they have actually written. As it happens, it becomes increasingly clear that there was no racial or religious motivation behind it. So not only was your speculation unhelpful, it was wholly inaccurate. But thanks for playing. |
Re: 9 Dead in Van Incident in Toronto
Originally Posted by BristolUK
(Post 12488978)
It's like Intel only without the reasoning. :nod:
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Re: 9 Dead in Van Incident in Toronto
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12489829)
And then there's the fact that Intel used to produce Celeron microchips. :sneaky:
I hate celery |
Re: 9 Dead in Van Incident in Toronto
Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd
(Post 12488211)
Yeah....its only in the trigger happy US that the supspect would have been shot dead.... this situation would have been handled very similar to this in the UK too.
The Sammy Yatim case was a one off I think, but it tarnished the image of the police in Canada. https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...d=mailsignoutm |
Re: 9 Dead in Van Incident in Toronto
Originally Posted by Siouxie
(Post 12490371)
https://www.thespec.com/news-story/3...hooting-death/
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...d=mailsignoutm Generally speaking I guess Canada is somewhere between the UK and the states, which are the two ends of the scale. I would say the British police force has some of the best trained fire arms officers in the world, mainly owing to the fact its still a specialist division to the rest of the police. |
Re: 9 Dead in Van Incident in Toronto
Drifting the thread a little further to the subject of Sammy Yatim's death: today's news is that James Forcillo's appeal was dismissed. His conviction - and sentence - were upheld.
I hadn't realized that he'd been in prison pending his appeal. He was bailed initially after his sentencing hearing in late 2016 but breached his bail conditions (moved house, away from his now-ex-wife's place and in with his new fiancee) without getting the proper permissions first. That really does smack of a contempt for the law that I'm rather pleased has come back to bite him. Having been suspended without pay pending his appeal, I imagine he will now be dismissed from the police service as well. I can't muster up much sympathy for him, I'm afraid. |
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