SchnookoLoly

I agree.

I read that dogs get confused because they pick up the scent, so they understand that the person is there, but don't understand 'death'. So for them, the person is around, but the dog can't find them. It's really heartbreaking.

Alan2005

It's exactly like that when you think about it.

dboy called me that once, but he got banned. That was my own little memorial to the death of his account.

I don't actually hate cops at all. The worst you can accuse me of is not trusting them. Having a police force is like having wolves guard your livestock. Yes, they keep the coyotes away sometimes, but they'll help themselves if you don't keep a close eye on them.

I really don't see how this makes it any different or more tragic.

Well, traditionally that thread is on the 11th November. And I doubt that harper would bother to turn up for every kid that comes back dead from some middle eastern shit hole that he sent them to in the first place.

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The fact that the authorities seem to be busy creating the narrative that it's not tax-payers paying for this implies to me that they actually do think most people would disagree with the way this has been managed. I'd love to see the actual bill - I bet it ran into millions what with harper being there.

Oink

Maybe he was hungry?

Alan2005

I did feel sorry for that dog. But really wtf was it doing there? It doesn't understand what's going on and showing the dog the hat that smelled of it's owner was just tormenting it. Good photo-op for the mawkies though.

colchar

Air Canada is being accused of gouging officers on the cost of fares to Moncton:

Air Canada fights back against Moncton funeral gouging complaints | Toronto Star


That pretty much shoots down the OP's assertion that we were somehow paying for their travel.

Alan2005

They seem to be desperate to point out that it's not tax money being spent. I reckon they know it was a bit over-the-top and are just getting ahead of that criticism. Gotta control that message.

Oink

Most people want to believe that stuff about the police being public servants rather than instruments of state control but these sorts of images make the former assertion rather doubtful.

JamesM

Just out of interest did the police ever actually make any arrests or charge anyone over the Vancouver Riots?

I think gun related deaths should be expensed to gun owners by way of a tax every year. Number of deaths multiplied by X amount of dollars multiplied by gun owners with additional tax for people who have more than one weapon.

I view police as a necessary evil. If they even look at me the wrong way though I'm ready to litigate.

There we are some thread drifters.

burks

They're almost done!..

Five more suspects charged in relation to the Stanley Cup riot, three years after the city ignited

Vancouver Stanley Cup riot investigation almost complete, almost 300 now charged

rae

I'm not sure where this last bit comes from, before you raised it I was not aware of anyone running a story complaining about money spent or complaints generally.

rae

" it was started to have debate about the expenses and the spectacle of the public service."
Yet you yourself are now talking about state control and showing pictures of armoured vehicles.

Why don't we just call it as it is, this is a police bashing thread disguised, quite disgustingly as something else. You know what though that is fine, some people don't like the cops and some of them have very valid reasons for not liking them. Some police have done terrible things and we all now have to wear that forever, we are our own worst enemy. It is the job we do and I accept it, just don't start talking about public money being spent on police funerals then show pictures of armoured cars and tell me it's just not plain anti-police sentiment. It is not 1960 anymore and anyone who would like to come on a ride along with me to experience it first hand, with no equipment to protect yourself of course, feel free, I am easy to find.

Oink

Mild thread drift is fine, reactionary personal attacks are another (not that I'm suggesting you engaged in the later). Plus, its not really a police-bashing thread, its more of questioning the dominant line and posing other perspectives.

Secondly, can I have a ride in your armoured personal carrier?

rae

I would like a go myself!
I would not say though that police domination has been raised before now, simply a suggestion of public funds being misused is how I see it, which is a reasonable and fair question.
Personally I think the general public expects events of this nature to take place, and that there will be an associated cost involved. I think it is to the credit, not detriment, of all those attending that they paid their own way and took time off to do so, again at their own cost.

Alan2005

Well, you know how it is. Turns out coppers might be paying their way, so I thought I'd have a go at them from another angle. What with me hating them and all

rae

I am actually all for police transparency and think we do quite a good job here, I like how the Chief is selected by a civilian mixed panel of local community representatives, and that there are several independent police bodies locally that review police actions and investigations. I am not saying it is perfect or catches everything but it is better than nothing I suppose. Public trust is THE most important thing to me, not APC's, guns, dogs, helicopters etc.