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IanBlakeley Oct 9th 2018 1:01 pm

Re: Suspension Of Conversion of Foreign Driving Licence to Malaysia Driving Lice
 
I am going to continue to drive on my UK licence based on the JPJ page Recognition Of Driving Licenses Of Foreign Countries - Driver - JPJ Portal - Jabatan Pengangkutan Jalan and List of Countries signed Convention on Road Traffic done at Geneva 1949 I am still a UK resident with an address for tax and my drivers licence purposes, if that changes then I'll have to consider taking a local test.

Macsta Oct 9th 2018 2:31 pm

Re: Suspension Of Conversion of Foreign Driving Licence to Malaysia Driving Lice
 

Originally Posted by SushiFan (Post 12574833)
"License owners are advised to bring along a copy of Driving License Confirmation letter from Embassy of the country of origin or translation letter from the Embassy (if the relevant driving license uses language other than English) while driving in Malaysia."

Ian, another issue is regulations state you need a letter from home country Embassy confirming licence validity but British High Commission (link) will not issue such a letter.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-malaysia

I have had this BS before when I needed British Embassy assistance (not in MY) and the response left a lot to be desired so I hold little hope of being able to obtain such a letter.

Maybe the loophole is JPJ website states "advised" not "must".

IanBlakeley Oct 9th 2018 2:54 pm

Re: Suspension Of Conversion of Foreign Driving Licence to Malaysia Driving Lice
 

Originally Posted by Macsta (Post 12574976)
Ian, another issue is regulations state you need a letter from home country Embassy confirming licence validity but British High Commission (link) will not issue such a letter.

If the licence isn't in English, certainly my UK licence is the English version of the EU licence so don't think a translation is needed.

Macsta Oct 9th 2018 3:16 pm

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Originally Posted by IanBlakeley (Post 12574992)
If the licence isn't in English, certainly my UK licence is the English version of the EU licence so don't think a translation is needed.

Ian, its required irrespective of the language:

"License owners are advised to bring along a copy of Driving License Confirmation letter from Embassy of the country of origin or translation letter from the Embassy (if the relevant driving license uses language other than English) while driving in Malaysia"

The translation letter is the same as the required letter if your licence is not originally in English.

IanBlakeley Oct 9th 2018 3:26 pm

Re: Suspension Of Conversion of Foreign Driving Licence to Malaysia Driving Lice
 

Originally Posted by Macsta (Post 12574997)
Ian, its required irrespective of the language:

"License owners are advised to bring along a copy of Driving License Confirmation letter from Embassy of the country of origin or translation letter from the Embassy (if the relevant driving license uses language other than English) while driving in Malaysia"

The translation letter is the same as the required letter if your licence is not originally in English.

That's not how I read it, obviously, I have been to the JPJ a while back about converting, a moot point now and all they wanted was the counterpart, which of course no longer exists. I have had to take my license to the police after someone ran into my car and they didn't want to see any document other than the licence, ditto for my BiL when he had an accident (US citizen) in my FiL's car or my wife Malaysian on her UK licence when stopped for speeding on the highway. Since the embassy won't issue such documents there's going to be an impasse if they're needed.

Epicurious Oct 9th 2018 3:29 pm

Re: Suspension Of Conversion of Foreign Driving Licence to Malaysia Driving Lice
 
Seems our only hope is that Malaysia is now breaking the terms of some treaty that they signed allowing reciprocal recognition of driving licences. Would a Malaysian living in the UK be able to exchange their licence for a UK one? Or be able to continue driving in the UK on their Malaysian licence as long as it is valid? A bit of tit-for-tat might get the Malaysian Govt to see sense.

IanBlakeley Oct 10th 2018 1:36 am

Re: Suspension Of Conversion of Foreign Driving Licence to Malaysia Driving Lice
 
The UK is somewhat more pernickety about license exchange as I recall. From memory you can drive a year on a non EU licence then it's test or for a limited number of countries exchange, Malaysia isn't on the list that can exchange. What the US servicemen used to do if they could was swap to a german licence from US and then swap that to UK.

Macsta Oct 10th 2018 10:40 am

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Wow, it seems the goverment cancelled the final incentive for a foreigner living in Malaysia to buy a car. I'm not going back to driving school and getting a learners / probationary drivers permit. The GRAB car service is more than sufficient for me. What does everyone else think?
Yes it does seem a backward step, I would have thought MM2H visa holders would be allowed to convert their licences (within existing regulations) as it seems such an innocuous benefit.

It seems to me I will have no choice but to take the local test.

OriginalSunshine Oct 12th 2018 1:59 am

Re: Suspension Of Conversion of Foreign Driving Licence to Malaysia Driving Lice
 

Originally Posted by IanBlakeley (Post 12574925)
I am going to continue to drive on my UK licence based on the JPJ page Recognition Of Driving Licenses Of Foreign Countries - Driver - JPJ Portal - Jabatan Pengangkutan Jalan and List of Countries signed Convention on Road Traffic done at Geneva 1949 I am still a UK resident with an address for tax and my drivers licence purposes, if that changes then I'll have to consider taking a local test.

me too. Our cars insurances are renewed annually, and require copies of our UK driving licenses.

Epicurious Oct 12th 2018 2:54 am

Re: Suspension Of Conversion of Foreign Driving Licence to Malaysia Driving Lice
 
I just found a document produced in 2012 which records all of the driving licence requirements for most countries:
https://www.atlantic.caa.ca/files/tr...equirement.pdf

I attach a screenshot of the Malaysia section.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...ce38270dab.jpg

As you can see, the regulations vary between the areas of Malaysia.

IanBlakeley Oct 12th 2018 4:00 am

Re: Suspension Of Conversion of Foreign Driving Licence to Malaysia Driving Lice
 

Originally Posted by Epicurious (Post 12576434)
I just found a document produced in 2012 which records all of the driving licence requirements for most countries:
https://www.atlantic.caa.ca/files/tr...equirement.pdf

I attach a screenshot of the Malaysia section.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...ce38270dab.jpg

As you can see, the regulations vary between the areas of Malaysia.

The implication being that an EU licence is fine for non commercial use. I do wonder what the status of our UK licences maybe come March next year, hopefully by then there will be some clarification.

simon2017 Oct 12th 2018 7:59 am

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Originally Posted by IanBlakeley (Post 12576445)
The implication being that an EU licence is fine for non commercial use. I do wonder what the status of our UK licences maybe come March next year, hopefully by then there will be some clarification.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, and happy to be corrected if in error. Australia is a signatory to the the 1949 convention so I was under the impression that I could drive in Malaysia with my Australian drivers license and not having to have an IDP. This is the same for UK drivers. Over the last few days I have received 2 notifications from official Australian government entities that I now MUST HAVE AN IDP as well as Australian drivers license. Quotes and links to official Australian websites attached. Your own countries may be more up to date with the current state of affairs than the specific official Malaysia websites but it would appear that to drive in Malaysia now you need an IDP and own country license, or a local Malaysian license..

https://smartraveller.gov.au/Countri.../malaysia.aspx
To drive in Malaysia, you need a valid International Driving Permit (IDP) and a valid Australian driver’s licence

https://malaysia.embassy.gov.au/klpr/cons%5fdr.htmlThe Australian High Commission received official notification on 2 October 2018 from the Malaysian Ministry of Foreign Affairs advising of new regulations for driving licence conversion by the Road Transport Department of Malaysia.The driving licence conversion process for international driver’s license has been postponed effective from 24 September 2018 until further notice. Australians who wish to drive in Malaysia must use an international driving permit (IDP) together with a valid Australian driver licence.Those who do not hold both an international driving permit and a valid Australian driver licence will need to undergo the normal process of obtaining a Malaysian driver licence at the Malaysian driving authority or institutes.

Gunnar45 Oct 12th 2018 10:14 am

Re: Suspension Of Conversion of Foreign Driving Licence to Malaysia Driving Lice
 
Australia, UK and Malaysia are still signatories to the 1949 convention.
Malaysia has to the best of my knowledge not changed Section 28 of the law,
(See post #11 regarding Malaysian law and JPJ interpretation of it)
So I believe it is still OK to drive here with my home country (signatory of 1949 convention) license accompanied by an official translation from my embassy.

The comments from the AU embassy (I actually got similar ones from my embassy) are referring to the MM2H website announcement.
But do such announcements override prevailing conventions and laws?

OriginalSunshine, post #24,
Does your insurance company ask to see your drivers license?
I can't remember ever having to show that to mine.

Macsta Oct 12th 2018 1:37 pm

Re: Suspension Of Conversion of Foreign Driving Licence to Malaysia Driving Lice
 

Originally Posted by simon2017 (Post 12576479)
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, and happy to be corrected if in error. Australia is a signatory to the the 1949 convention so I was under the impression that I could drive in Malaysia with my Australian drivers license and not having to have an IDP. This is the same for UK drivers. Over the last few days I have received 2 notifications from official Australian government entities that I now MUST HAVE AN IDP as well as Australian drivers license. Quotes and links to official Australian websites attached. Your own countries may be more up to date with the current state of affairs than the specific official Malaysia websites but it would appear that to drive in Malaysia now you need an IDP and own country license, or a local Malaysian license.

Simon, are the rules the same for Australian citizens (as it is for the UK) that you have to be an Australian resident to obtain a IDP and can you obtain the IDP online or (again as in the UK) do you have to be physical present in Australia to receive it?


simon2017 Oct 13th 2018 1:13 am

Re: Suspension Of Conversion of Foreign Driving Licence to Malaysia Driving Lice
 

Originally Posted by Macsta (Post 12576607)


Simon, are the rules the same for Australian citizens (as it is for the UK) that you have to be an Australian resident to obtain a IDP and can you obtain the IDP online or (again as in the UK) do you have to be physical present in Australia to receive it?


If you have an Australian drivers license you can apply online for an IDP and have it mailed to an overseas address so there is no need to return to Australia to get an IDP as long as your current Australian drivers license does not expire during the period of the IDP.
https://www.aaa.asn.au/international...overseas/#faqs


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