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Oakvillian Apr 24th 2020 4:39 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12843651)
"Cleave" has two meanings, one of which is the opposite of the other. You can cleave to someone (stick like glue), or it can mean splitting something.

Ooh. I love these. Auto-antonyms (or "contronyms").

Fast ... moving quickly (running fast) or not moving at all (stand fast).
Oversight... as in, the issue was caused by lack of oversight of the machine. This was clearly an oversight on the part of the operator.
Sanction... if you take action that I have not sanctioned, I will sanction you.

Unlockable is not quite the opposite of itself, but it can mean both "can be unlocked" and "cannot be locked."

Lion in Winter Apr 24th 2020 5:15 pm

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Originally Posted by Oakvillian (Post 12843655)
Ooh. I love these. Auto-antonyms (or "contronyms").

Fast ... moving quickly (running fast) or not moving at all (stand fast).
Oversight... as in, the issue was caused by lack of oversight of the machine. This was clearly an oversight on the part of the operator.
Sanction... if you take action that I have not sanctioned, I will sanction you.

Unlockable is not quite the opposite of itself, but it can mean both "can be unlocked" and "cannot be locked."


Isn't language great? Although what evolutionary imperative made it so perverse is anyone's guess. Selecting for poets?


Pulaski Apr 24th 2020 8:57 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12843673)
Isn't language great? Although what evolutionary imperative made it so perverse is anyone's guess. Selecting for poets?

This is a common topic of conversation over dinner in the Pulaski household, and it never ceases to amaze me how many English words have two, or more, distinct meanings, which is all the more astounding when you take into account that English has, so many words. I once read, that English has 60% more words than French, and 40% more words than German - the relative values appear to be correct, but there are, I now realize a number of different ways to count the number of words in each language.

Given this, I am in awe of people who attain great fluency in English as a second language, that you don't only need to have a large vocabulary, but also grasp the context of what you are reading/ being told to determine which meaning of a word is the intended one. .....With examples such as Pitch - tar, tone/ note, steepness, throw, sports ground, sales presentation, & fall, and cast: throw, make using a mold, assign a role to an actor, to add up, & a colour modification/ tint.

And while researching this post, I came across a word I have never seen before - polysemy/ polysemous - to have several meanings, such as a word. :thumbsup:

macliam Apr 24th 2020 9:13 pm

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Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12843767)
This is a common topic of conversation over dinner in the Pulaski household, and it never ceases to amaze me how many English words have two, or more, distinct meanings, which is all the more astounding when you take into account that English has, so many words. I once read, that English has 60% more words than French, and 40% more words than German - the relative values appear to be correct, but there are, I now realize a number of different ways to count the number of words in each language.

Given this, I am in awe of people who attain great fluency in English as a second language, that you don't only need to have a large vocabulary, but also grasp the context of what you are reading/ being told to determine which meaning of a word is the intended one. .....With examples such as Pitch - tar, tone/ note, steepness, throw, sports ground, sales presentation, & fall, and cast: throw, make using a mold, assign a role to an actor, to add up, & a colour modification/ tint.

And while researching this post, I came across a word I have never seen before - polysemy/ polysemous - a word with several meanings. :thumbsup:

All languages have many words for the same thing and words with several meanings. Irish has three major dialects (plus a national "standard"). The little I retain is Munster Irish, from the South-West..... when I see Ulster Irish (from Donegal), not only is the pronunciation very different, but there are entirely different ways to say basic concepts, like asking how you are or telling the time and other common phrases differ slightly too, because they each use a different (valid) way to say the same thing. Just as in English, you can say "I'm obliged to you" rather than "Thank you".... and in Portuguese the former becomes "Obrigado" and the primary way to say thanks in that language.

Pulaski Apr 24th 2020 9:25 pm

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Originally Posted by macliam (Post 12843770)
All languages have many words for the same thing and words with several meanings. .....

Agreed, they do, but English seems to have excelled in pulling in new words from multiple different languages, and molding them into English, notably from French, Latin, and Greek, which have then been grafted on to the Anglo-Saxon root of English, meaning that it is virtually guaranteed that there will be at least two, and often three or more synonyms for most common words (look in a thesaurus and 6-10 words with very close meanings are not uncommon), though often with enough of a twist that they aren't precise synonyms, they have subtly distinct meanings.

caretaker Apr 24th 2020 9:26 pm

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Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12843767)
:thumbsup:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...58a4a09f86.jpg


sid nv Apr 25th 2020 5:02 am

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No need to get into a collieshangie.

el collado kid Apr 25th 2020 7:10 am

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My favourite Spanish word is tranquilo .Calm,relax,quiet

el collado kid Apr 25th 2020 7:12 am

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Originally Posted by sid nv (Post 12843884)
No need to get into a collieshangie.

You could argue the point,a few on BE often do

Red Eric Apr 25th 2020 7:22 am

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Originally Posted by el collado kid (Post 12843897)
My favourite Spanish word is tranquilo .Calm,relax,quiet

Oooh - a polyglot! :thumbup:

el collado kid Apr 25th 2020 10:33 am

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Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12843901)
Oooh - a polyglot! :thumbup:

hay Eric you make me sound impotent:eek:.I have been called many things in my life mostly anglosaxon ones.I am sure someone will be along soon and have a choice word to call me.

el collado kid Apr 25th 2020 10:35 am

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shenanigans. secret or dishonest activity or manoeuvring.learnt this on B.E:sneaky:

macliam Apr 25th 2020 10:42 am

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Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12843901)
Oooh - a polyglot! :thumbup:

Já chega!...... the most calming, annoying, helpful, obstructive phrase in Portugal.

Red Eric Apr 25th 2020 1:13 pm

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Originally Posted by el collado kid (Post 12843972)
hay Eric you make me sound impotent:eek:.I have been called many things in my life mostly anglosaxon ones.I am sure someone will be along soon and have a choice word to call me.

The books, the Trivia, the expanding lexicon - I think erudite would be my choice.

BristolUK Apr 25th 2020 1:19 pm

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Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12844037)
I think erudite would be my choice.

I always think that sounds like glue.


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