Lion in Winter

Tbh, most powers that be have zero interest in creating an educated populace. It's much harder to manipulate people who are informed as to actual facts. The Remain campaign did a terrible job of mounting a strong, informative campaign, and Leave actively promoted lies and bigotry.

macliam

D'you really think that? I agree he was the one alive during that time (and I concur about the St.Diana references) - but I'm sure most of their upbringing was done by various lackeys and boarding school staff.

In Harry's case, I guess we can at least be sure she was the mother.........

moneypenny20

Yeah I do. They're incredibly close to him if he wasn't the one bringing them up. Also if you look at photos of young Philip, Harry is most obviously Charles and that's another thing that really naffs me off. You and everyone else who suggests Charles isn't his dad would blow a gasket if anyone even remotely suggested your child wasn't yours. Just because he's famous doesn't mean he's fair game to be called a bastard.

Ok so everything is naffing me off today.

N1cky

I'm with you 100% on this and your last post. All the Diana stuff pisses me off no end. Also makes me laugh that people go on about how wonderful Diana was then suggest she had a kid with someone else, that would have been a real classy move

mikelincs

The one thing she really did was to drag the royal family into the 20th century, and that has really been carried on by her sons, their relaxed attitude at interviews, their willingness to get involved in things, like turning up to help on DIY SOS when they were doing up the houses for veterans. The, well at least the younger ones, have made the royals seem so much more approachable.

Red Eric

Exactly, and here's the proof. Two peas in a pod.


Now let's have no more of this nonsense talk.

Cape Blue

Ah, the "brexiters are too thick to know what they were voting for" meme, along with the "brexiters are xenophobes" one, with a dash of "brexiters hark back to empire".

Of course, those who don't vote like you must be thick and bigoted

Expatrick

Fair description!

macliam

Sorry, you obviously have no experience of the way the rich bring up their kids. My wife was a nanny in Knightsbridge, so I can assure you, Charles would have had little to do with his upbringing.

As to the rumours about Harry, I couldn't give a damn - and I'm sure the family know the truth. In the end, he is 5th in line to the throne and going backwards, so it doesn't really matter. However, as a republican, I see no difference to these people than any other "celebrities" who seem to be fair game. If they want a "normal" life, just drop the privileges.

macliam

Garbage - if you are suggesting that xenophobia was not an influence and that people did not express the opinion that "Britain was great before the EU" then you are being "economical with the truth".

Equally, I said there were lies told by both sides and that there was no attempt to educate the voters - you choose to infer that I am speaking about the anti-EU side only. Maybe that chip on your shoulder is affecting your ability to read.

007Steve

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mikelincs

Didn't Charles bring in the woman who was HIS nanny to look after William and Harry?.

Cape Blue

I'm sure xenophobia may have been an influence on EDL/Nat Front type people, but they are a minuscule part of the electorate.

People expressing that the UK was great before joining the EU has nothing to do with xenophobia.

Possibly, but as this forum is choc-full of remianiacs, can you blame me?

macliam

I disagree, I am not talking about the extreme behaviours of the EDL/NF neanderthals, but everyday attitudes that lie just below the surface. My wife is Portuguese, so I have some experience of this - from the very nice gentleman presuming that because she has an accent, she must be retarded so best speak slow and LOUD, to the equally nice neighbour who, in a heated discussion about boundaries said "You might be something in your own country, but you're just a foreigner here!". Actual incidents, not reports and from BEFORE the vote. With the constant sh*t-stirring of UKIP and certain newspapers, it doesn't take much to provoke an us-and-them situation.

I also did not conflate xenophobia with nostalgia - although they can work together. Those who have not seen (and have not been shown) any positive outcome from the EU and who don't know that the world has changed can be forgiven for harking back to simpler times - those who know better but still encourage them to do so cannot.

I am pro-EU, but it needs significant reform - in the same way that the UK system has flaws and needs reform too. However, what worries me more are the sharks and wide-boys who have come out of the closet since Brexit was announced, continuing the lie that the "experts" are wrong and that they know best - and actually just looking out for themselves.

Lion in Winter

How did the EU arguing get into this thread? It already has a marathon thread of its own and the whole Brexit debacle does not make me smile at all.