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Old Aug 30th 2011, 6:51 pm
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The current situation, Wenger has made the whole thing worse, I was and to a certain degree still am in the "In Wenger We Trust" camp, but my patience has come to an end, I feel this is a make or break season for Arsenal and Arsene no trophies and I think the club will have no choice but to look elsewhere for a new manager or come out and say that the funds have not been available.

At the moment the fans are completely disillusioned we will pay 12 million for a 17 year old for the future but will not offer 20 million for Cahil, or Jagielka, that being the case I would love someone to give me the date when "the future starts".
As a Leeds fan, I have to get behind someone in the Prem, I obviously hate Man U in that true stupid War of the Roses way, hate Chelski along with everyone else in the country. Hate Man City on principle, any player who signs for them loses all respect in my books, if you are prepared to sit on the bench and just collect your pay check then you're just a wanker.

So, that leaves Arsenal, when on form they play the best football in the league, the way Arsene gets them to play in that fluid one touch football is wonderful, and you have to admire their business in recent years. For the last couple of years though I'm really beginning to feel sorry for true Arsenal fans, all that expectation just to fall short at the end of the season. The start of this year has just been embarassingly painful, it just makes you cringe to see such a great club beaten in the fashion they were on Sunday. You have to wonder how long Wenger has left, but what then? They don't currently have a team, at least you know Wenger can build one. A new manager means a new way of playing, which will probably be shit and be like Graham 1-0 days, as the first thing to do would be to tighten the defence and stop playing any football. Then you have the question of whether the board would be willing to start playing shit loads of money for players for a new manager, and who the hell wants to come play for a club who haven't won anything for years. The only thing they have going for them appears to be Wenger, and he appears to be the major problem, catch 22 in my book.

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Oh good Lord no - United look phenomenal this year. Even Rooney actually is looking like he did in his first year for Manure if you count the last part of last season as well. Cleverley looks shit hot. Add look at that early substitution - Wellbeck (clearly confident and raring to bang them in) comes off for Chicharito - that's a damn good sub! As good and dangerous as Citeh look so far it's United who look like they've been playing as this unit for years. People are already talking about a two-horse race. Which is silly - mostly it's a one horse race with the new boys still a step behind. Arsenal aren't a bad side - they just have obvious weaknesses and Ferguson and his players brilliantly exposed that.
Pre season, Man U's team on paper looked utter shit, however the kids who have come in are looking fantastic and Young actually looks like the player people have been saying he is for years, not sure the keeper will make it as number 1 through the end of the season though. You have to grudgingly admire Fergie, he appears to be bringing through a brand new crop of players to build the next 10 years of success on. The Bastard
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As a Leeds fan, I have to get behind someone in the Prem, I obviously hate Man U in that true stupid War of the Roses way, hate Chelski along with everyone else in the country. Hate Man City on principle, any player who signs for them loses all respect in my books, if you are prepared to sit on the bench and just collect your pay check then you're just a wanker.

So, that leaves Arsenal, when on form they play the best football in the league, the way Arsene gets them to play in that fluid one touch football is wonderful, and you have to admire their business in recent years. For the last couple of years though I'm really beginning to feel sorry for true Arsenal fans, all that expectation just to fall short at the end of the season. The start of this year has just been embarassingly painful, it just makes you cringe to see such a great club beaten in the fashion they were on Sunday. You have to wonder how long Wenger has left, but what then? They don't currently have a team, at least you know Wenger can build one. A new manager means a new way of playing, which will probably be shit and be like Graham 1-0 days, as the first thing to do would be to tighten the defence and stop playing any football. Then you have the question of whether the board would be willing to start playing shit loads of money for players for a new manager, and who the hell wants to come play for a club who haven't won anything for years. The only thing they have going for them appears to be Wenger, and he appears to be the major problem, catch 22 in my book.



Pre season, Man U's team on paper looked utter shit, however the kids who have come in are looking fantastic and Young actually looks like the player people have been saying he is for years, not sure the keeper will make it as number 1 through the end of the season though. You have to grudgingly admire Fergie, he appears to be bringing through a brand new crop of players to build the next 10 years of success on. The Bastard
I am not sure what your criteria is for a true fan, I would like to think I come into that category Nicky, yes I agree the business that Arsenal have done in recent years should be admired, but it is fast becoming a waste of time. Chelsea and Man City can spend whatever they want on players and wages and there wealthy owners step in to make up the short fall, Ferguson has to contend with Man United being in huge amounts of debt courtesy of the Glazers, Barcelona openly court our Club Captain knowing he will not be put on the open market and then have the audacity to pay for him in installments because they don't have the money to buy him (personally I feel Arsenal should have put him on the market to the highest bidder and let Barcelona either pay his current value or go without). So yes admire away but to be honest I am fast losing patience, we are currently racing around in the last 2 days of the transfer window buying bargain basement players because of our wonderful business plan.
Wenger to be honest can build a team but he has never built a trophy winning team for us, when we were winning trophies it was with George Grahams team with a few flair players thrown in. At the moment I would willingly go back to winning 1-0 if it meant we were successful again, and believe me I sat through enough of the 1-0 games to know how boring we were. Pretty football is not all it is about, and pretty football with no end result is definitely not what it is about.
I will agree Fergusons new boys did look bloody good on Sunday, but I am with you on the keeper not sure he is ready to be a no1 yet.
Sorry about the rant just one very pissed off gooner at the moment, and for the first time in years I am not looking forward to our next game, and have seriously thought about not going.
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I am not sure what your criteria is for a true fan, I would like to think I come into that category Nicky, yes I agree the business that Arsenal have done in recent years should be admired, but it is fast becoming a waste of time. Chelsea and Man City can spend whatever they want on players and wages and there wealthy owners step in to make up the short fall, Ferguson has to contend with Man United being in huge amounts of debt courtesy of the Glazers, Barcelona openly court our Club Captain knowing he will not be put on the open market and then have the audacity to pay for him in installments because they don't have the money to buy him (personally I feel Arsenal should have put him on the market to the highest bidder and let Barcelona either pay his current value or go without). So yes admire away but to be honest I am fast losing patience, we are currently racing around in the last 2 days of the transfer window buying bargain basement players because of our wonderful business plan.
Wenger to be honest can build a team but he has never built a trophy winning team for us, when we were winning trophies it was with George Grahams team with a few flair players thrown in. At the moment I would willingly go back to winning 1-0 if it meant we were successful again, and believe me I sat through enough of the 1-0 games to know how boring we were. Pretty football is not all it is about, and pretty football with no end result is definitely not what it is about.
I will agree Fergusons new boys did look bloody good on Sunday, but I am with you on the keeper not sure he is ready to be a no1 yet.
Sorry about the rant just one very pissed off gooner at the moment, and for the first time in years I am not looking forward to our next game, and have seriously thought about not going.
My comment about a true Arsenal fan was that I was feeling pain watching them myself, and I'm not an Arsenal fan, people like you who are must be feeling shit.

Interesting you say you would gladly go back to the 1-0 and Graham style if you were winning. The time we had Graham at Leeds was the most awful time I have experienced watching them, and everyone knows we've had some very shitty times. There were some days when it was an absolute chore going to the games, knowing we were going to play no football and go for the 1-0, bloody awful, I'd never want to see those days back.

My big concern for Arsenal is what happens if Wenger does go? I don't see you going the way Chelski and Man City have gone in buying a team, and you're not going to get a manger in who is willing to build a team. Personally I think you're screwed for the next couple of years. It's either time to say you're prepared to go another 2-3 years without winning anything and sticking with Wenger while he rebuilds, or you are prepared to not win anything for who knows how long and play shit football. Either way it's not a short term fix and you aren't winning anything for a few years.

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- Nobody can adequately explain to me why it's been okay to pay $30 million on English shit, but nothing for better foreign players. The best I've heard is that you pay more for English players because they can get away with diving.
Didn't the Prem League introduce a rule last year that you had to have X number of home grown players in your squad? UK nationality or signed for the club before the age of 17

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Didn't the Prem League introduce a rule last year that you had to have X number of home grown players in your squad? UK nationality or signed for the club before the age of 17

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When I were a lad, English league clubs weren't allowed to have more than 2 non-British players on their books.
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Shut it grandad, neither have you
So that PM I got wasn't you in a cut down Arsenal shirt and not much else, shit I may have to retract my earlier statement.
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Dwarling, having 4 wonderful grandchildren, I take "grandad" as a compliment.
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Aww showing your soft side
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It's generally reserved for family.
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So that PM I got wasn't you in a cut down Arsenal shirt and not much else, shit I may have to retract my earlier statement.
Couldn't have been me the only Arsenal shirt I have is used to line the cat litter tray......
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