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Garbatellamike Jun 13th 2019 6:17 pm

Re: The 2019-2020 Football Thread
 
good article here on squad ages

https://www.90min.com/posts/6143994-...ue-this-season

yernited's a bit older than one thought....

civilservant Jun 13th 2019 6:20 pm

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well you certainly need younger full backs but the average age pf your squad is about the same as Citeh and the scousers.
It just feels like an old squad to me. Perhaps because so many Fergie signing are still hanging around the squad even though they aren't good enough (I'm looking at you Young, Jones and Smalling) It also feels like a very thin squad, which is not a United thing.

The heady days of being able to put out 2 squads that would have been competitive in the PL was not so long ago.

Of course the youth transfer policy would be enormously expensive now (again, De Ligt) but I think we have to try to have any hope of competing. We can't simply can't pay as much money as City (or pay it for players we shouldn't) and are now struggling to attract the best talent because of it and the downward spiral.

I really dislike Maureen, but what he did with essentially this squad finishing 2nd was pretty miraculous.

Cainess Jun 13th 2019 6:33 pm

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Frig, I leave again for a few weeks, and come back to find you all STILL talking about United... we haven't been relevant for at least 2 years now.

Absolutely fine with the fixture list. If our lot can't raise themselves to play Chelsea at home on the opening Sunday, the season will be defined after a single game, and we can "ready ourselves" for the shit-show that follows.

Wolves will have played two or three Europa League qualifying games before they go to Leicester City on the opening day, and then have to host us the following week...that can either work 'for' them (much closer to full match fitness) or 'against' them (as happened to Burnley last season, when they showed relegation form until mid-November due to having to expend themselves in Europe so early...).

With the fixtures, they are what they are. Early December looks tricky, but I'm not bothered. By then we'll know if we have anything (top 4 at best) to play for or not.

As with last year, it's a 'race' for 3rd behind the scousers and citeh. We won't even be in that race unless Woodward gets his finger out of his arse and backs the manager. A promising kid from the Championship isn't about to turn things around...polishing a turd.

Oh, by the way: I hate football. That's unlikely to change anytime soon...this feels like summer 1973 (which thankfully I was too young to 'appreciate' like older United fans).

Garbatellamike Jun 13th 2019 6:38 pm

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Originally Posted by civilservant (Post 12697741)
It just feels like an old squad to me. Perhaps because so many Fergie signing are still hanging around the squad even though they aren't good enough (I'm looking at you Young, Jones and Smalling) It also feels like a very thin squad, which is not a United thing.

The heady days of being able to put out 2 squads that would have been competitive in the PL was not so long ago.

Of course the youth transfer policy would be enormously expensive now (again, De Ligt) but I think we have to try to have any hope of competing. We can't simply can't pay as much money as City (or pay it for players we shouldn't) and are now struggling to attract the best talent because of it and the downward spiral.

I really dislike Maureen, but what he did with essentially this squad finishing 2nd was pretty miraculous.

agree with you on Young, Jones and Smalling but have to point out you out bid Citeh for Pogba, Fred and Sanchez (thank god) so don't buy the can't afford it nonsense. Liverpool spent the most money ever in a calendar year, Yernited has the biggest wage bill and the most expensive player and a huge commercial arm. Citeh has bought better players but baulkwd at paying Sanchez 500 thousand a week, which was ok with Ed.....

You'll have to spend but more intelligently than in the past 5 years methinks

Garbatellamike Jun 13th 2019 6:39 pm

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Originally Posted by Cainess (Post 12697748)
Frig, I leave again for a few weeks, and come back to find you all STILL talking about United... we haven't been relevant for at least 6 years now.

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FIFY ;)

Garbatellamike Jun 13th 2019 6:42 pm

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Originally Posted by Cainess (Post 12697748)
Frig, I leave again for a few weeks, and come back to find you all STILL talking about United... we haven't been relevant for at least 2 years now.

Absolutely fine with the fixture list. If our lot can't raise themselves to play Chelsea at home on the opening Sunday, the season will be defined after a single game, and we can "ready ourselves" for the shit-show that follows.

Wolves will have played two or three Europa League qualifying games before they go to Leicester City on the opening day, and then have to host us the following week...that can either work 'for' them (much closer to full match fitness) or 'against' them (as happened to Burnley last season, when they showed relegation form until mid-November due to having to expend themselves in Europe so early...).

With the fixtures, they are what they are. Early December looks tricky, but I'm not bothered. By then we'll know if we have anything (top 4 at best) to play for or not.

As with last year, it's a 'race' for 3rd behind the scousers and citeh. We won't even be in that race unless Woodward gets his finger out of his arse and backs the manager. A promising kid from the Championship isn't about to turn things around...polishing a turd.

Oh, by the way: I hate football. That's unlikely to change anytime soon...this feels like summer 1973 (which thankfully I was too young to 'appreciate' like older United fans).

Yeah the fixtures don't matter as you still have to play everyone home and away at some point. I got bollocked for talking about Citeh so am now teasing yernited fans and throwing barbs at scousers, which seems more acceptable ;)

civilservant Jun 13th 2019 6:46 pm

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Originally Posted by Garbatellamike (Post 12697750)
agree with you on Young, Jones and Smalling but have to point out you out bid Citeh for Pogba, Fred and Sanchez (thank god) so don't buy the can't afford it nonsense. Liverpool spent the most money ever in a calendar year, Yernited has the biggest wage bill and the most expensive player and a huge commercial arm. Citeh has bought better players but baulkwd at paying Sanchez 500 thousand a week, which was ok with Ed.....

You'll have to spend but more intelligently than in the past 5 years methinks

Oh I don't disagree, we have spunked money on useless tosh. We just need to spend it on tosh with potential rather than the 'finished article' that downs tooks after a bad couple of months.

Being linked with Dybala just make me cringe. We buy him he'll be gone in a year just like all the big names we have brought it. Di Maria, Pogba, Falcao. Signed at great expense and played like they spent the year on the beach.


Frig, I leave again for a few weeks, and come back to find you all STILL talking about United... we haven't been relevant for at least 2 years now.
Sad but true!

Garbatellamike Jun 13th 2019 7:10 pm

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Originally Posted by civilservant (Post 12697756)
Oh I don't disagree, we have spunked money on useless tosh. We just need to spend it on tosh with potential rather than the 'finished article' that downs tooks after a bad couple of months.

Being linked with Dybala just make me cringe. We buy him he'll be gone in a year just like all the big names we have brought it. Di Maria, Pogba, Falcao. Signed at great expense and played like they spent the year on the beach.

yes this is a discussion that Rodders and I had a few years back on here about buy to develop players rather than Maureen's buy 30 year olds for one or two seasons and then buy another. One suspects this youngster from Swansea is buy to develop.

Cainess Jun 13th 2019 7:17 pm

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Originally Posted by Garbatellamike (Post 12697769)
yes this is a discussion that Rodders and I had a few years back on here about buy to develop players rather than Maureen's buy 30 year olds for one or two seasons and then buy another. One suspects this youngster from Swansea is buy to develop.

Danny James may be 'buy to develop', but if they don't back Ole for the rest of this window, just who exactly will be developing James, since they'll probably sack Ole after we bomb our way through the August & September fixtures...?!

Frankly, unless we get another 3 or 4 quality players in (CB absolute priority, as is an actual RB instead of Ashley bloody Young...), we may as well concede top 6 before the season begins...not a chance. Throw in losing Lukaku to Inter Milan (definitely happening) and Pogba to Juventus (looking likely too), and we're threadbare in terms of quality...

Garbatellamike Jun 13th 2019 8:14 pm

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Originally Posted by Cainess (Post 12697772)
Danny James may be 'buy to develop', but if they don't back Ole for the rest of this window, just who exactly will be developing James, since they'll probably sack Ole after we bomb our way through the August & September fixtures...?!

Frankly, unless we get another 3 or 4 quality players in (CB absolute priority, as is an actual RB instead of Ashley bloody Young...), we may as well concede top 6 before the season begins...not a chance. Throw in losing Lukaku to Inter Milan (definitely happening) and Pogba to Juventus (looking likely too), and we're threadbare in terms of quality...

yeah agree all that and the first priority must be a right back as Ashley Young was a fine attacking mf player but is probably the worst full back to play in the EPL, priority 2 is a commanding centre back methinks in the Vidic\Vinnie style or even VVD but Ed will probably buy Lovren instead or you can have Mangala for 6 pence?


civilservant Jun 13th 2019 8:20 pm

Re: The 2019-2020 Football Thread
 
All too old though, I want youth. We need youth. Not another 28 year old like Koulibaly

Garbatellamike Jun 13th 2019 9:28 pm

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Originally Posted by civilservant (Post 12697798)
All too old though, I want youth. We need youth. Not another 28 year old like Koulibaly

yeah I get that, I meant that type of player not those individuals. DeLigt might be the one, young, commanding and AJAX skipper at 19

civilservant Jun 13th 2019 9:38 pm

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Can't see him coming for anything less than what we pay Sanchez, and even them PSG can outbid us. Would love to see him come in though.

Garbatellamike Jun 13th 2019 10:55 pm

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Originally Posted by civilservant (Post 12697816)
Can't see him coming for anything less than what we pay Sanchez, and even them PSG can outbid us. Would love to see him come in though.

yeah and you'll have to pay DDG that too to keep him

Garbatellamike Jun 13th 2019 11:36 pm

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Sarri off to Juve


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