Garbatellamike

wow just looked up your previous Brazilians and see what you mean.. never heard of 2 of them, the useless twins, Kleberson and Anderson.. Fred will be a success by comparison whatever he does

JamesM

When Spurs signed Paulinho I thought we had a midfield to destroy teams with Sandro and Dembele to play alongside him.

We ended up getting a lot of attitude and hands on hips from Paulinho that soon rubbed off on a once very promising Sandro. We suffered some humiliating defeats where you could see the pair often over run due to their sheer lack of effort.

Brazilians are a gamble.

ededed

Garbatellamike

yeah spot on Jimbo

for us there was Robinho and Elano who were huge talents that couldn't be arsed to put a shift in but now we have Jesus, Fern and Ederson who are first rate and Danilo who is very good. Don't mention Jo though or Maicon who was well past his best when he signed.

Fred is following the Fern route via Ukraine so should not disappear once the cold sets in like Elano did.

Garbatellamike

Yep Possebo and Pereira were the 2 I never heard of.

jam25mack

Absolutely loved Rafa. Great RB and decent going forward. Should never have sold him. Moyes! Grrrr! Fabio was only bought as Rafa's manager (his dad) said take em both or neither of them.

Kleberson was indeed gash and yes signed the same day as CR. Funnily enough the last time we signed a Brazilian and a Portugezzer in the same window following LFC losing in a CL final, we won the double. It's destiny.

As for Pereria, he's quality. Hopefully they will bring him back from his lean deal.

Garbatellamike

you are sounding like Liverpool fan now

Garbatellamike

You are sounding like Liverpool fan now

Garbatellamike

so UEFA making more bizzare decisions then.

Liverpool charged for fan thuggery home and away vs City and home and away vs Roma and fined 22K whilst Bestikas were charged with having a cat on the field and fined 30K..... you could not make it up

zargof

I'm sure Liverpool will complaining about being the victims because their fans had concussion.

Also that cat is a decent centre midfielder and I think Southampton have put in a bid.

pommybird

The vile scenes that were shown on the news of some of the thuggery was hideous. The FA/police need to be much harsher than namby pamby fines, in terms of consequences . To my mind after this sort of level of violence they need to slap a ban on the club playing in European competitions for a season, regardless of whether they qualify for Europe or not, this will hit the club and the fans hard and hopefully make a difference and send out a message to everyone that is is simply not going to be tolerated.

Former Lancastrian

TBF the cat was wearing a Galatasaray shirt and took a piss on the field.

ededed

DaveLovesDee

There's definitely no place for violence at any sporting event, but football still has people who go to matches looking for trouble. And other willing to help them find it. Working the seg lines between the opposing fans, I saw it most weeks with home and away 'fans' more intent on trying to provoke the other into doing something to get the other ejected. Watch the f-ing game guys, it's what you paid a shit load of money to do.

How do we stop violence at games? Points deductions and preventing teams from playing in certain competitions penalise the fans who are behaving themselves. The clubs should only be responsible for the violence if it knows it's going to happen, or if they fail to properly deal with it, but Police forces have dedicated sections to gather football-related intelligence (South Wales Police definitely do). If UEFA and FIFA won't do anything, what else can be done?

Can the FA require clubs to play matches behind closed doors (again penalising all fans), and/or stop the game being televised live?

pommybird

Sorry, but if it's a case of a few bad apples spoiling it for the rest, so be it. Bans from competitions and bans from playing in Europe will hit the clubs hard and they MUST take some responsibility for the behaviour of their fans.