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Old Sep 5th 2021, 6:40 pm
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With almost every website known to existence now having far more complicated password requirements than my brain could ever remember, what options are there for saving passwords besides just saving them in browser, I imagine there must be some form of alternative that is more secure and easier to manage all of the crazy long complicated passwords.
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Old Sep 5th 2021, 6:59 pm
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With almost every website known to existence now having far more complicated password requirements than my brain could ever remember, what options are there for saving passwords besides just saving them in browser, I imagine there must be some form of alternative that is more secure and easier to manage all of the crazy long complicated passwords.
Does Google saving it have any issues, its what I do?
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Old Sep 5th 2021, 11:13 pm
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There was a thread about password managers a couple of years ago: https://britishexpats.com/forum/lab-...nagers-929688/
There's probably more out there now, I know NordVPN is always trying to sell me a password manager. I tend to just stick with having the browser generate the password and then remember them, then reseting if I ever have to. Just make sure your email is secure and uses 2 factor authentication and you should be ok.
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There was a thread about password managers a couple of years ago: https://britishexpats.com/forum/lab-...nagers-929688/
There's probably more out there now, I know NordVPN is always trying to sell me a password manager. I tend to just stick with having the browser generate the password and then remember them, then reseting if I ever have to. Just make sure your email is secure and uses 2 factor authentication and you should be ok.
As per the posted link to the old thread, I'm still using KeePass, driving it from the PC with database in the cloud so that all devices can see it. I use it for much more than the browser, so it fills the gap for non-Google stuff. Sure, I let Google save the passwords, most of the time it's ok, but has caused one or two problems in the past.

I did look at the NordVPN offering but it was flat file, no hierarchy, didn't suit my needs.

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Old Sep 11th 2021, 8:48 pm
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With almost every website known to existence now having far more complicated password requirements than my brain could ever remember, what options are there for saving passwords besides just saving them in browser, I imagine there must be some form of alternative that is more secure and easier to manage all of the crazy long complicated passwords.
password card and an obfuscated word you can remember,




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password card and an obfuscated word you can remember,

I just looked that up. Still none the wiser.
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Do you use Apple devices or other?
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I just looked that up. Still none the wiser.
https://smile.amazon.com/Qwertycards...1467314&sr=8-2
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Oh I didn't mean what they were, more of a how?
My first thought was something like that thing we used to do as kids.
ABCD......XYZ on top and alphabet backwards underneath
ZYX.......DCBA

And then from the picture, did the S correspond to the G or to the O, or was it a zero? What did that ( mean as there was nothing to correspond with it? Is the Q an ! a capital I of the type that's not even on the keyboard ?

At this point my puny brain gave up wondering how it worked
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Old Sep 13th 2021, 12:04 am
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Play the video on the Amazon page, it gives instructions
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I keep my passwords in a notebook. It's worked well for 20 years. If I suddenly die, my wife and son will have little difficulty sorting out my affairs using the file on my computer named "When I die".
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Play the video on the Amazon page, it gives instructions
Thanks. I see it better now. I had looked at other guides and initially I was flummoxed by the "Type in the code characters for the website you are using" because I'm so used to seeing instructions from some IT folk that assume everyone knows the same technical stuff. So I thought there was some kind of code for every website that users should know. Eventually I realised it was qwertycard specific. It would have been easier if it had said type in the character that corresponds with the letter on your unique qwertycard.
A sample card




Anyway, a couple of issues occur. The sh(/J3Hq (for example) is mine. Unless I start to remember it I shall need the card (or other note) every time.
I also need to be very careful about typing it in, making sure the shift key has engaged and the character has come out the required number of times.Sometimes I type and a key I know I have pressed was too light a touch to register and other times an additional letter comes out.

I guess, though, for a password, I'm likely to be meticulous about it.

Now I add my word - let's say covidiot - and finally the website name, which could be all of it or just the first few letters, because I'm not sure I want to keep looking to see what character corresponds with every letter of theguardian or should it just be guardian.

And now it becomes clear that because of this last part, nobody will ever remember first and last part so you always need the card (or copy) and you always need to be very careful when typing it.

I see it comes with a spare in case of loss of the card in your wallet. But if you sign on to websites at home and work and then lose your card between home and work place you need 2 spares, So you need to copy the copy.

Then I thought if you need to copy one, instead of forking out the $20 on amazon, why not just copy one as I did above and then copy a second sample like



So I could then register all my passwords using sh(/J3Hq plus covidiot and then using the alphabet codes from the second copy.
Or I could just use one copy of a card but replace the first part with one I made up myself so it would never coincidentally match even without the addition of covidiot.

There seems to be an awful lot of time spent looking up a character for every letter in the site name as well as making sure it all matches. It reminds me of the spy stuff...page number, line number and word in number in a copy of Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy.

Looks more trouble than its worth.

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Old Sep 23rd 2021, 6:51 pm
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No apple products for us, they are beyond our price range, so its windows PC and andriod.

I was letting google save the passwords and generate them, as I like to use a different password for every site, and my brain can't remember everything, but google has been forgetting my passwords along with other issues in Chrome which has led me to dumping it, but google has forgotten the password to a gmail account, its just not saved anymore and had been just yesterday, chrome has done this a couple times now, usually not a big pain, but google makes recoverying a password difficult and when I try they say they can't verify me, but all they asked for to verify is the last password I remember, and apparently the one I remember is not correct, so they just say can't verify, with no additional information.


So now I am on a mission to figure out how to get into my email, if google even has a way to contact humans.


I think I will go with the notebook method, use a random generator to create, then print it and tape it in a notebook, seems the best option and easiest at this point, because letting browsers save passwords has not been working well.
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