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Old Nov 4th 2019, 10:43 pm
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She used to live door to my mum. Dennis and Vi.

Now I'm wondering what Vi was short for. Violet?
Vivian?
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Old Nov 5th 2019, 12:24 am
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Vivian?
Or even Victoria. Her Vi was pronounced Vye, so Violet would be my guess. The crazy thing is she died about 20 years ago, maybe more, and only now am I wondering.
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In the beginning, there was Ed. And ed begat ex; and ex begat vi. Gedit?
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In the beginning, there was Ed. And ed begat ex; and ex begat vi. Gedit?
Who begat Dennis?
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Or even Victoria. Her Vi was pronounced Vye, so Violet would be my guess.
I'm curious; how else do you pronounce Vi?

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I'm curious; how else do you pronounce Vi?
Possibly Vee? Short for Veda?

Viola is sometimes pronounced Vee-ola ir Vye-ola.

Of course when my mum talked about her neighbours Dennis and Vi, those were the sounds she used rather than the spellings.
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Stop pretending to use vi, and admit we all use Emacs. DeadVim will probably be along shortly to confirm.

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Stop pretending to use vi, and admit we all use Emacs. DeadVim will probably be along shortly to confirm.
I got so hacked off with vi in my previous incarnation (I used to be an employee ) that I would upload stuff to "another platform", work with it using a proper file editor, then send it back whence it came.

sed is the canine testicles for use within scripts imo.

Might have a look at notepadqq for Linux though, given that I no longer have access to a real operating system.
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...I've completely gotten rid of the Microsoft idea of how we look at / access stuff, using a free (not sure if it is open source) offering. No idea if there's a Linux port for it, but I'll go looking and post back.
And back.

It's open source, Windows only, no Linux port available and none intended.

It's called Rainmeter.
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My friend told me yesterday (after warning me for the umpteenth time that support will probably run out for 16.04.03 in a couple of years) that if I click on the update OS button after getting my normal updates, the new OS should retain the "look and feel", ie: menus and so on that I have currently. Hopeful but skeptical (heptical? skopeful?) I went down-cellar and found my old IBM T-60 and will give it a try on that. I used this little beauty at work for years so it has sentimental value, as well as the historical part because they took this model on the ISS.
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My friend told me yesterday (after warning me for the umpteenth time that support will probably run out for 16.04.03 in a couple of years) that if I click on the update OS button after getting my normal updates, the new OS should retain the "look and feel", ie: menus and so on that I have currently. Hopeful but skeptical (heptical? skopeful?) I went down-cellar and found my old IBM T-60 and will give it a try on that. I used this little beauty at work for years so it has sentimental value, as well as the historical part because they took this model on the ISS.
A comfortable desktop is like a favourite jumper, nothing beats it.

I know what you mean about the T-60, great little machines. I lost mine - along with OH's DSLR - when some bastard stole my rucksack a few years back while changing trains (with a lot of luggage) in Amsterdam during rush-hour.
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I know what you mean about the T-60, great little machines.
It's trying to load 18.04, but failed a few times and quite a few brown-outs (I'd forgotten about those). If it doesn't work this time the back comes off and I'll dig in the work bag for another card. I bought a bunch of salvaged 2gb ram cards from our computer store a few years ago and I'll bet these are 1066 like some of the older Lenovos.

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It only did a partial upgrade because the T60 is only a 32 bit processor, so I'm doing the same thing to a Lenovo 440p. Keeping the same desktop (or close as the OS allows) seems to be a matter of giving permission via Lifepatch? by signing into an Ubuntu account (which I'd forgotten I had). That's something I wasn't getting using the disc.
There are hoops to jump through with everything you do, but I'm still glad they aren't Windows hoops. I've never heard anyone bitching about Linux. The first time I heard of it was years ago from an old rounder; bouncer for ages at the toughest bar in town. I had no idea what he was talking about.

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Are you sitting comfortably?
“We (the industry) could have come up with some sort of convention for handling multiboot, but we never did, so it just became a multiple-decade epic fail, where each operating system came up with its own approach and lots of people wrote their own bootloaders which tried to subsume all the operating systems and all the operating systems and independent bootloaders merrily fought like cats in a sack.

I mean, pre-UEFI multibooting is such a clusterf**k it’s not even worth going into, it’s broken sixteen ways from Sunday by definition.”
I found this article whilst researching some of my multiboot questions. It’s a big read, well written imo, but best do it in small chunks.

@ Tweedpipe : I get the impression that the author is not terribly enthused by Macs.

If it helps, think of it as an alternative to licking scaffolding in sub-zero temperatures.

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Are you sitting comfortably?


I found this article whilst researching some of my multiboot questions. It’s a big read, well written imo, but best do it in small chunks.

@ Tweedpipe : I get the impression that the author is not terribly enthused by Macs.

If it helps, think of it as an alternative to licking scaffolding in sub-zero temperatures.
An interesting link. Didn’t get through it all though - for fairly obvious reasons, but the passages that I did quickly scan through I quite enjoyed. Agree that it was well written, with the author’s tongue obviously planted firmly in-cheek. As for him not being terribly enthused by Macs I can certainly identify with, although for different reasons.
I noted that his recommendations on managing system boot, were, “offered with absolutely no guarantees of accuracy, purity or safety.” Followed by, “If you absolutely insist on having more than one OS per disk, understand everything written on this page, understand that you are making your life much more painful than it needs to be."
I certainly didn’t understand a lot of what he wrote, but I usually insist on having more than one OS per disk.
For me, one huge bone of contention with Macs is the frequency with which they introduce a new OS, which frequently renders a lot of (often expensive) software obsolete after an update. This is one reason why I always make a point of retaining one of their ‘best’ earlier OS’s which I know will run my software, and doing a clean install of a newly released OS on the same laptop on a separate SSD partition - truly straight forward and in no way painful as the article appears to suggest.
Having been a great Apple fan since 2002 when I bought my first Powerbook, as far as I’m concerned as a general rule, there are very few Macs after 2014 which I would touch with a barge-pole.
2012 was a classic vintage year for Bordeaux wines (especially Pomerol and St. Emilion), and the same can be said for Macs. In fact off the top of my head I can’t think of a bad Mac between 2012 and 2014, but imho the same cannot be said for their laptops 2015-to date.
Back to Linux.......
Spent some frustrating moments attempting to format a USB flash drive in order to install MX Linux. When completed then found I was unable to change the ThinkPad X230 boot order for USB boot. Tried everything and failed, now wondering if a BIOS update may be required.
Then reformatted the USB drive and it live booted MX Linux immediately on my 2012 MacBookPro. No messing with BIOS or fiddling with UEFI, just a simple press of the ALT key at same time as power ON.
Long story short, I wasn't too excited by MXlinux, although I thought the 70+ page users manual was impressive and an unusual welcome addition. Fwiw I preferred Mint and 18.04.
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