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Tweedpipe Aug 16th 2018 3:18 pm

Linux - Installing & using
 
I was just about to add a few comments on the current Win 10 upgrade thread, but thought it may be more suitable to start a new one on Linux.
Firstly I totally agree with BuckinghamshireBoy's favourable comments about Linux Mint in the Win 10 upgrade thread. A few days ago I downloaded and did a clean install of the latest Mint 19 'Tara' on a newly purchased SSD just installed inside a far from new Lenova Thinkpad. It is indeed lightning fast, and I love it. Plan to try out a few other Linux distros later today.

Now picking up on the mrken30 comment, "Linux does not have a good upgrade system. Wipe and install is not the best approach for me."
It sounds you may need (and like) something like Manjaro, which as far as I can understand from DistroWatch.com uses a rolling release model, whereby rather than being replaced, the same core system will instead be continually updated & upgraded.
In addition I note that Manjaro has reached the No. 1 slot in the top 100 distro listing, so I thought - probably well worth trying! (Linux Mint incidently is at the No.2 spot).
I've just downloaded the Manjaro ISO file linked from the DistroWatch site and made a bootable USB drive. Later this evening I'll give it a whirl and report back.
It should be noted that I'm quite a novice when it comes to Linux systems, and wanted something that would work 'out of the box' without fiddling and typing sudo commands into terminal that would surely bring on a migraine - at least in these early stages where I'm at the bottom of the Linux learning curve.
It should be interesting to hear other Linux users comments, on high or low-end systems.

BuckinghamshireBoy Aug 16th 2018 3:49 pm

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:goodpost:

Agreed, best to start a new thread on this subject.

I'll be quiet for a bit on this one, moving house very soon, so I need to keep what I know intact for the next few weeks.

Wol Aug 17th 2018 8:26 am

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Originally Posted by BuckinghamshireBoy (Post 12549373)
:goodpost:

Agreed, best to start a new thread on this subject.

I'll be quiet for a bit on this one, moving house very soon, so I need to keep what I know intact for the next few weeks.

Good luck - doesn't it take ten years off your life? Just like W10 updates (Oops!)

BuckinghamshireBoy Aug 17th 2018 11:19 am

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Originally Posted by Wol (Post 12549767)
Good luck - doesn't it take ten years off your life?

Which one, moving house or installing Linux? :lol:

Project move is now about 17 months in, but I can see light at the end of the tunnel.

I think. :blink:

I'll be so, so happy to go back to messing with Mint and Ubuntu though. And I'll have a look at Manjaro as mentioned by Tweedpipe.

Chatter Static Aug 18th 2018 1:36 pm

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Originally Posted by Tweedpipe (Post 12549355)
I was just about to add a few comments on the current Win 10 upgrade thread, but thought it may be more suitable to start a new one on Linux.
Firstly I totally agree with BuckinghamshireBoy's favourable comments about Linux Mint in the Win 10 upgrade thread. A few days ago I downloaded and did a clean install of the latest Mint 19 'Tara' on a newly purchased SSD just installed inside a far from new Lenova Thinkpad. It is indeed lightning fast, and I love it. Plan to try out a few other Linux distros later today.

Now picking up on the mrken30 comment, "Linux does not have a good upgrade system. Wipe and install is not the best approach for me."
It sounds you may need (and like) something like Manjaro, which as far as I can understand from DistroWatch.com uses a rolling release model, whereby rather than being replaced, the same core system will instead be continually updated & upgraded.
In addition I note that Manjaro has reached the No. 1 slot in the top 100 distro listing, so I thought - probably well worth trying! (Linux Mint incidently is at the No.2 spot).
I've just downloaded the Manjaro ISO file linked from the DistroWatch site and made a bootable USB drive. Later this evening I'll give it a whirl and report back.
It should be noted that I'm quite a novice when it comes to Linux systems, and wanted something that would work 'out of the box' without fiddling and typing sudo commands into terminal that would surely bring on a migraine - at least in these early stages where I'm at the bottom of the Linux learning curve.
It should be interesting to hear other Linux users comments, on high or low-end systems.

Best introduction to Linux you can have is purchase a new Raspberry Pi 3+ and stick either Raspbian or Ubuntu or Mint on it because the support forums for all three are outstanding the credit card sized hardware is more than ample for films music, My personal favourite for the Raspberry Pi and my Ryzen 7 based machine is Retropie emulators for all the 8bit era games Mac included "TP" Basilisk II will run up to OS 8.1

The new Raspberry PI 3+ will also natively boot from USB so you can stick a reasonable sized disk on it for media if you want

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...2f279906f1.jpg
Raspberry Pi with SSD

Tweedpipe Aug 18th 2018 3:12 pm

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Originally Posted by Chatter Static (Post 12550476)
Best introduction to Linux you can have is purchase a new Raspberry Pi 3+ and stick either Raspbian or Ubuntu or Mint on it because the support forums for all three are outstanding the credit card sized hardware is more than ample for films music, My personal favourite for the Raspberry Pi and my Ryzen 7 based machine is Retropie emulators for all the 8bit era games Mac included "TP" Basilisk II will run up to OS 8.1

The new Raspberry PI 3+ will also natively boot from USB so you can stick a reasonable sized disk on it for media if you want

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...2f279906f1.jpg
Raspberry Pi with SSD

Hi CS,
I've been tempted several times to go for the latest R. Pi just to mess around with and have fun, but have noted the price of the starter kit with accessories come to around 80euros, (plus one needs a screen) although agreed it's not that expensive, for 80euros ($US90) here I can find a very nice Lenovo *T61 or even T500, both of which are fine machines, and are brilliant with Linux Mint 19 or similar. Granted they're heavier and thus more robust than the Pi, a little like comparing a 2010 Citroen C6 to a new Citroen C1.......;). I know which I'd prefer.
*The T61 incidently was used to Twitter from Space - so that's ok with me!

caretaker Aug 26th 2018 3:23 pm

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Originally Posted by Tweedpipe (Post 12550516)
*The T61 incidently was used to Twitter from Space - so that's ok with me!

There has to be a story behind that..... Though I've upgraded umpteen times I still have mine and still like it; if possible I suppose it's got sentimental value.
I've been playing with a pair of T440p running Ubuntu 18.04 instead of the 16.04 I'm used to and it's quite a bit different, and as usual there seem to be pluses and minuses (due to my ignorance mostly). I want to load one of those os on an ssd I have in an enclosure, then with confidence at peak I want to install the 240gb m.2 ssd I bought last week into one of the laptops and experience the blinding speed I've read about (2x as fast as a normal ssd). My friend said it should work better alongside the other drive if I'm using 18.04 so that's what it shall be.

caretaker Aug 27th 2018 11:47 am

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I'm chatting with my techy friend and mentioned that I read the Russian defence ministry OS is based on Linux, and he said:
"Early space station logs, after USA took over the control functions from the original Russian equipment. "Rebooting windows" "Rebooting windows" "Rebooting windows" "Rebooting windows" "Reinstalling Windows" , "Hey look at what the Russian computer can do!!! 3D visuals of earth and a joystick control like flying anywhere! "

BuckinghamshireBoy Oct 4th 2018 3:23 pm

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Out of interest, which flavour of desktop do people prefer? I see that both Mint and Manjaro have several to choose from.

BristolUK Oct 4th 2018 4:40 pm

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Anything but honey and garlic. ;)

caretaker Oct 4th 2018 4:50 pm

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I'm still liking 16.04, seems easier for me than the 18.04 though I admit I don't use that one enough to get good at it. I recently had to use a sudo command to get free VLC media player, so I guess they stopped supporting it on the older system. Other than that I think it's great, very user-friendly.

BuckinghamshireBoy Oct 19th 2018 7:21 pm

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Just got Manjaro up Live boot on my Sony Vaio, the new HP Envy wouldn't even see it. :confused:

I've tried both machines with Mint, both see it, but both 'black screen' after a few moments.

The Vaio is up on the network just fine, I was hoping to post this from Manjaro/Firefox, but can't find my password for BE. :o

Very early days yet... ;)

caretaker Oct 19th 2018 7:36 pm

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Originally Posted by BuckinghamshireBoy (Post 12580307)
Just got Manjaro up Live boot on my Sony Vaio, the new HP Envy wouldn't even see it. :confused:

How long has Manjaro been around? "Access to the very latest cutting and bleeding edge software"
Now I'm scared of it.

BuckinghamshireBoy Oct 19th 2018 7:38 pm

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Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12580316)
How long has Manjaro been around? "Access to the very latest cutting and bleeding edge software"
Now I'm scared of it.

Best that Tweedpipe answers that, I'm a puppy... :blink:

Tweedpipe Oct 19th 2018 10:37 pm

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Originally Posted by BuckinghamshireBoy (Post 12580307)
Just got Manjaro up Live boot on my Sony Vaio, the new HP Envy wouldn't even see it. :confused:

I've tried both machines with Mint, both see it, but both 'black screen' after a few moments.

The Vaio is up on the network just fine, I was hoping to post this from Manjaro/Firefox, but can't find my password for BE. :o

Very early days yet... ;)

Just seen this, it's rather late here having just returned home from the launch of a friends new microbrewery, and can't think too straight.
Off the cuff I believe Manjaro has been going for 7+ years, and the latest version 17 requires 1GB+ memory. Did you boot from an iso you downloaded/burned yourself, or from a purchased DVD from a mag? I've found the latter always very reliable. Dowloading and preparing onto a USB thumb drive can be a bit 'iffy'.
Will post later tomorrow when I have a clearer head.

Tweedpipe Oct 20th 2018 7:43 am

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Firstly I must confess to knowing little about PC's, and even less about Linux, as I only recently started 'messing' with one or two distros that were on a packaged dvd, purchased with an 'Into to Linux' magazine. The distros were 32 & 64bit versions of Mint 18, Manjaro 17, Fedora and a few others for the equivalent of 8$. With the info in the mag plus the bundled software, for the few hours I've spent 'messing about', I feel I've got more than my money's-worth. That was followed up with the next month's publication (also in French), which included 5 variations of Ubunto.

For years I've been a keen Mac user, and still am. Had an old 2007 white MacBook which maxed out at OS X 10.7.5 'Lion' (somewhat comparable to Windows Vista or Win8 in terms of 'popularity') - so the less said about that the better! In fact I continued to run the MacBook on a slighty earlier OS X 10.6 'Snow Leopard' which imho was one of the best, if not the the best Mac OS ever.

Back to Linux. Although it functioned perfectly, that MacBook was past it's 'best by' date in terms of secure web-browsing, as even Mozilla Firefox had ceased providing updates. So I thought, 'Is it possible to give it a new lease of life with Linux?' Result after watching several YTube videos showed that Ubunto Mint 18 was the way to go, and last year that was my first, very positive experience with Linux. That same 11 year old white MacBook is still a very strong, up-to-date performer, running modern applications under a 32bit version of Linux Mint.

Back to Manjaro. According to DistroWatch - a great site incidently - from what I gather the first version was announced around 2011/12. Unsure why it didn't install on the HP Envy, from what I've read that pc should be supported. Check that you had the correct iso version, 32 or 64 bit. Making that mistake can result in a black screen. Been there, done that......:o
Also ensure that the Pc or Mac has adequate Ram memory and available hard drive space. There are some very informative Linux forums with FAQ's to help out with most installation problems.

Lastly, would I advise getting a cheap, early white MacBook in order to update to Linux? The answer's no, because although now cheap, the pre-unibody Mac's are a bit of a pain to remove the top cover - if required, but a 64bit mid 2010 white 'Unibody' MacBook is ideal and can be found quite cheaply. The 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo version is the one to go for, being a wolf in sheep's clothing, and in addition to any Linux can even run the very latest Mac OS version 'Mojave' (with added RAM - which takes just minutes to install).
Even much cheaper, I snapped up a Lenova T500 and a slightly older Thinkpad T61 from local thrift stores, and now run Ubunto flavours on both. Brilliant machines!

BuckinghamshireBoy Oct 20th 2018 4:58 pm

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Originally Posted by Tweedpipe (Post 12580472)
Firstly I must confess to knowing little about PC's, and even less about Linux, as I only recently started 'messing' with one or two distros that were on a packaged dvd, purchased with an 'Into to Linux' magazine. The distros were 32 & 64bit versions of Mint 18, Manjaro 17, Fedora and a few others for the equivalent of 8$. With the info in the mag plus the bundled software, for the few hours I've spent 'messing about', I feel I've got more than my money's-worth. That was followed up with the next month's publication (also in French), which included 5 variations of Ubunto.

For years I've been a keen Mac user, and still am. Had an old 2007 white MacBook which maxed out at OS X 10.7.5 'Lion' (somewhat comparable to Windows Vista or Win8 in terms of 'popularity') - so the less said about that the better! In fact I continued to run the MacBook on a slighty earlier OS X 10.6 'Snow Leopard' which imho was one of the best, if not the the best Mac OS ever.

Back to Linux. Although it functioned perfectly, that MacBook was past it's 'best by' date in terms of secure web-browsing, as even Mozilla Firefox had ceased providing updates. So I thought, 'Is it possible to give it a new lease of life with Linux?' Result after watching several YTube videos showed that Ubunto Mint 18 was the way to go, and last year that was my first, very positive experience with Linux. That same 11 year old white MacBook is still a very strong, up-to-date performer, running modern applications under a 32bit version of Linux Mint.

Back to Manjaro. According to DistroWatch - a great site incidently - from what I gather the first version was announced around 2011/12. Unsure why it didn't install on the HP Envy, from what I've read that pc should be supported. Check that you had the correct iso version, 32 or 64 bit. Making that mistake can result in a black screen. Been there, done that......:o
Also ensure that the Pc or Mac has adequate Ram memory and available hard drive space. There are some very informative Linux forums with FAQ's to help out with most installation problems.

Lastly, would I advise getting a cheap, early white MacBook in order to update to Linux? The answer's no, because although now cheap, the pre-unibody Mac's are a bit of a pain to remove the top cover - if required, but a 64bit mid 2010 white 'Unibody' MacBook is ideal and can be found quite cheaply. The 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo version is the one to go for, being a wolf in sheep's clothing, and in addition to any Linux can even run the very latest Mac OS version 'Mojave' (with added RAM - which takes just minutes to install).
Even much cheaper, I snapped up a Lenova T500 and a slightly older Thinkpad T61 from local thrift stores, and now run Ubunto flavours on both. Brilliant machines!

Both machines (Sony Vaio and HP Envy) had 64 bit versions of both Mint and Manjaro.

I download the image, verify checksums then burn the ISOs myself to DVD.

The version of Manjaro used was manjaro-xfce-17.1.12-stable-x86_64.iso from osdn.net - direct link from manjaro.org.

Bios boot order has been changed to put optical drive ahead of hard drive on both machines. I can't yet figure out why the HP booted straight into Windows with the Manjaro DVD in; when I tried it with Mint it saw the image, tried to boot - I could get to grub - but no further.

As said previously, early days. I shouldn't really be messing with either of these two machines though, I have somewhere an ancient gifted HP still running Vista, so that will be the new target.

And as a reciprocal confession, I know nothing of Macs (even my iPad still boggles me), so I really am a lot happier sticking with PCs.

Tweedpipe Oct 21st 2018 7:32 am

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@BuckBoy,
Strange problem, and can't help wondering whether it's more hardware spec related rather than the Linux software, but what do I know? Never have really grasped many of the complexities of pc BIOS, plus I understand it differs between different manufacturers and various models.
It's unlikely your problem, but apparently Linux refuses some graphic cards, and some from Nividia can be particularly Linux unfriendly. Maybe worth Googling to see if your machines meet all the Linux compatible specs, especially relating to the video card. I assume too that you have adequate RAM memory? Lack of it could be causing a hang-up/failure to post video display.

BuckinghamshireBoy Oct 21st 2018 10:16 am

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Originally Posted by Tweedpipe (Post 12580788)
@BuckBoy,
Strange problem, and can't help wondering whether it's more hardware spec related rather than the Linux software, but what do I know? Never have really grasped many of the complexities of pc BIOS, plus I understand it differs between different manufacturers and various models.
It's unlikely your problem, but apparently Linux refuses some graphic cards, and some from Nividia can be particularly Linux unfriendly. Maybe worth Googling to see if your machines meet all the Linux compatible specs, especially relating to the video card. I assume too that you have adequate RAM memory? Lack of it could be causing a hang-up/failure to post video display.

I think that it must be hardware related, as both machines were booted from the same DVD. RAM isn't an issue on the new HP (8 GB).

I'll come back when I've tried it on the very old HP, assuming that I can find its power supply. :o

Chatter Static Oct 21st 2018 5:00 pm

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You could download Etcher and flash the ISO to a usb key it's supper simple, if that model of Envy supports boot from USB.
CD's and DVD's as data mediums are becoming redundant. It's better now to have a workflow that doesn't involve them.

BuckinghamshireBoy Oct 21st 2018 9:04 pm

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Originally Posted by Chatter Static (Post 12580957)
You could download Etcher and flash the ISO to a usb key it's supper simple, if that model of Envy supports boot from USB.
CD's and DVD's as data mediums are becoming redundant. It's better now to have a workflow that doesn't involve them.

Thanks CS, i had already put Etcher in place not yet knowing whether I would find USB or writeable DVD first, DVD won out.

BuckinghamshireBoy Oct 29th 2018 9:48 pm

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I know that I said I wasn't going to put anymore effort in booting the new HP Envy into Manjaro Linux, but being an ex-IT person I still seem to need to understand these things. ;)

The answer was in UEFI (new look BIOS) and it was the Secure Boot option. This was enabled by default, so I disabled it, restarted and bingo, up came Manjaro.

I didn't push it, that wasn't part of the plan, I just needed to find out why it wouldn't boot from DVD, and now I know. Odd that it booted Mint, but I'm not going there.

Now to find the old HP laptop...

Tweedpipe Oct 30th 2018 9:08 am

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Originally Posted by BuckinghamshireBoy (Post 12584940)
I know that I said I wasn't going to put anymore effort in booting the new HP Envy into Manjaro Linux, but being an ex-IT person I still seem to need to understand these things. ;)

The answer was in UEFI (new look BIOS) and it was the Secure Boot option. This was enabled by default, so I disabled it, restarted and bingo, up came Manjaro.

I didn't push it, that wasn't part of the plan, I just needed to find out why it wouldn't boot from DVD, and now I know. Odd that it booted Mint, but I'm not going there.

Now to find the old HP laptop...

When you find the old HP laptop, that's probably when the real 'fun' starts.
As mentioned previously I've never grasped many of the complexities of pc BIOS, which is one of the reasons why I far prefer the simplicity of Macs and OS X. Another being that since using them over the last 16 years less any anti-virus program, I've never been infected by a virus. And never had an OS system imposed on me.
Having said that, my love affair with new Apple products is completely dead since 2012ish due to their in-built obsolescence in terms of hardware and software.

Chatter Static Oct 31st 2018 8:59 pm

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Originally Posted by Tweedpipe (Post 12585053)
When you find the old HP laptop, that's probably when the real 'fun' starts.
As mentioned previously I've never grasped many of the complexities of pc BIOS, which is one of the reasons why I far prefer the simplicity of Macs and OS X. Another being that since using them over the last 16 years less any anti-virus program, I've never been infected by a virus. And never had an OS system imposed on me.
Having said that, my love affair with new Apple products is completely dead since 2012ish due to their in-built obsolescence in terms of hardware and software.

A challenge is Triple booting a Mac with Ubuntu Windows and OSX still not sure how I did it but the hard drive in question has more partitions than a typesetters drawer.

Tweedpipe Oct 31st 2018 10:11 pm

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Originally Posted by Chatter Static (Post 12585913)
A challenge is Triple booting a Mac with Ubuntu Windows and OSX still not sure how I did it but the hard drive in question has more partitions than a typesetters drawer.

Strange you should mention this, because several months ago I was querying whether to set up a dual boot (Mac OS X 10.8 and Ubunto Mint) on a white Macbook. At the same time I was checking out several YTube videos on the same subject, and watched several going through the motions of a triple boot, Ubunto 14, Linux Mint 17 and Windows. The best I thought was a tutorial entitled just that: Triple Boot, Windows 10, Ubunto & Linux Mint. It clarified the procedure that even I could understand! Never got round to doing it however, as I have no need whatsoever for Windows and have no programes that require it. Plus I would't really want the hassle of occasional defrags, installing a Widows anti virus or malware programes, that I feel would be doing my Mac an injustice.
On second thoughts though, I would rather like a triple boot of Ubunto 14, Linux Mint and....... Win XP. Seriously!

BuckinghamshireBoy Oct 31st 2018 10:22 pm

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Originally Posted by Chatter Static (Post 12585913)
A challenge is Triple booting a Mac with Ubuntu Windows and OSX still not sure how I did it but the hard drive in question has more partitions than a typesetters drawer.

So your bootloader/strapper mechanism was grub for the triple boot option?

Puppy asking...

Chatter Static Nov 1st 2018 2:17 pm

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Originally Posted by BuckinghamshireBoy (Post 12585967)
So your bootloader/strapper mechanism was grub for the triple boot option?

Puppy asking...

Yup

caretaker Nov 23rd 2018 2:42 am

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https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...506188db7f.jpg

Tweedpipe Nov 25th 2018 1:23 pm

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https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...cd13e6cf37.jpg
PengWEEn

Chatter Static Nov 25th 2018 5:44 pm

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Microsoft is migrating to Linux slowly adding the Bash Shell to W10 was the start their server products have been shifting that way for some time or have been ceased because better Linux based products exist. Windows and Xbox are being aligned so developers can one click build to both platforms and Microsoft has been building a ARM development team because for more processing power at lower power consumption and single board computing ARM is where it's at and Linux based or Risc are the ground holders on ARM systems and emulation has come a long way.

Tweedpipe Nov 25th 2018 7:02 pm

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Recently I was chatting to a nice elderly chap who runs a small shoe-repair boutique & engraving service in a nearby shopping mall. I gave him a little free advise as his software used with the engraving machine was on the blink. He was using WinXP, and when asked if his ancient HP tower and associated setup was now only used for driving the engraving machine, he answered, no it was also used for placing orders on-line! I explained that wasn't wise, and the reasons.
Saw him again last week, and he had purchased a s/h laptop running Win10. At least he should be a little safer now.

caretaker Jul 6th 2019 9:23 pm

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I got some HP Elitebook 840 G2 laptops from salvage and have been finding my way around and setting one up. I still don't like the Linux 18.04 os and continue to use the 64 bit 16.04. For some reason I just find it nicer; all the buttons are where they should be, stuff is easier to find. These take an m2 ssd but also have a 2.5" bay so I put in a 240gb ssd. Apparently when I get an m2 (doesn't have to be a big one) I can use that for operation at blinding speed and just put in as large a 2.5" as I want (even a huge cheap spinning rust drive) and just use that for storage. Downloading the os involved using my external disc drive since the slim profile of the computer doesn't allow for one. The surprise of the day was discovering by accident that they have a touchscreen, I had no idea. It feels very modern, at least to me. :lol:
Just loading the 2nd one up now; firefox wants updating before it will take an adblocker, the os gets a pile of updates, Skype takes a little time, VLC mediaplayer... it's a novelty because it wasn't that long ago I couldn't do any of this stuff myself.

BuckinghamshireBoy Jul 6th 2019 9:54 pm

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Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12707488)
I got some HP Elitebook 840 G2 laptops from salvage and have been finding my way around and setting one up. I still don't like the Linux 18.04 os and continue to use the 64 bit 16.04. For some reason I just find it nicer; all the buttons are where they should be, stuff is easier to find. These take an m2 ssd but also have a 2.5" bay so I put in a 240gb ssd. Apparently when I get an m2 (doesn't have to be a big one) I can use that for operation at blinding speed and just put in as large a 2.5" as I want (even a huge cheap spinning rust drive) and just use that for storage. Downloading the os involved using my external disc drive since the slim profile of the computer doesn't allow for one. The surprise of the day was discovering by accident that they have a touchscreen, I had no idea. It feels very modern, at least to me. :lol:

I hate touchscreens, OH has one, every time she asks me to check something on hers I have to say "where's the bloody mouse?" :blink:

What's the current favourite flavour Linux distro? I found my target laptop (but not yet the power supply :()

Last week I gave the desktop a birthday present of doubling the RAM and putting in an SSD ahead of 'rust drive', good grief this thing flies now.:thumbup:

Windows 7 seeks flatmate...

caretaker Jul 6th 2019 10:09 pm

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Originally Posted by BuckinghamshireBoy (Post 12707494)
Last week I gave the desktop a birthday present of doubling the RAM and putting in an SSD ahead of 'rust drive', good grief this thing flies

If the m2 is really 10x faster than a 2.5" ssd then I'm in for a treat. :eek:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...846645e6c6.jpg
These came with 8gb ram installed but I'll double one up, I like too much memory, given the choice, and there's a spare card in the parts machine I got last year. I ordered a new battery for that one before discovering the CPU was fried, so I have a brand new battery as well.

Tweedpipe Jul 16th 2019 7:55 am

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Originally Posted by BuckinghamshireBoy (Post 12707494)
I hate touchscreens, OH has one, every time she asks me to check something on hers I have to say "where's the bloody mouse?" :blink:

What's the current favourite flavour Linux distro? I found my target laptop (but not yet the power supply :()

Last week I gave the desktop a birthday present of doubling the RAM and putting in an SSD ahead of 'rust drive', good grief this thing flies now.:thumbup:

Windows 7 seeks flatmate...

I too hate touchscreens, tried one again last week and....... ugh! And this was on a rather nice, expensive recent Lenovo. This was with a family member who'd purchased it on a whim without too much prior knowledge.
He'd been using it for about a year, never using the keyboard, and was obviously struggling. When he saw me using the keyboard which was far easier, he tried himself and was amazed at the difference. It was running Win10 - again which I highly dislike, and the many desktop tiles had proved confusing to the owner - and myself.
It took me 10mins or so to remove most tiles and generally clean up the desktop. Whilst at it, I downloaded/installed the latest Waterfox web browser - which I love for its 'lightness' and especially it's nil tracking & usage information. Coupled this with DuckDuckGo as the default search engine, along with Qwant and Ecosia for additional search efficiency.
Imho these changes transformed the user experience and the owner was truly amazed at the newly-found user friendliness of his Lenovo.

Back to the above query regarding favourite Linux distros. I note that according to Distrowatch, MX Linux has hit the current top-spot, followed by Manjaro and Mint. I've yet to try MX Linux.

Another I was reading a review on was Peppermint 10, which I plan to try asap. It's Lubuntu based, lightweight, therefore easy on system resources, and claimed to be lightning fast. Should be interesting, especially as I wish to try it out on some early MacBooks which are often capricious.

Agree about SSD's. Together with 8Gb RAM they make my 2010 MacBook 'fly'.:)

Chatter Static Jul 16th 2019 5:37 pm

Re: Linux - Installing & using
 

Originally Posted by Tweedpipe (Post 12710920)
I too hate touchscreens, tried one again last week and....... ugh! And this was on a rather nice, expensive recent Lenovo. This was with a family member who'd purchased it on a whim without too much prior knowledge.
He'd been using it for about a year, never using the keyboard, and was obviously struggling. When he saw me using the keyboard which was far easier, he tried himself and was amazed at the difference. It was running Win10 - again which I highly dislike, and the many desktop tiles had proved confusing to the owner - and myself.
It took me 10mins or so to remove most tiles and generally clean up the desktop. Whilst at it, I downloaded/installed the latest Waterfox web browser - which I love for its 'lightness' and especially it's nil tracking & usage information. Coupled this with DuckDuckGo as the default search engine, along with Qwant and Ecosia for additional search efficiency.
Imho these changes transformed the user experience and the owner was truly amazed at the newly-found user friendliness of his Lenovo.

Back to the above query regarding favourite Linux distros. I note that according to Distrowatch, MX Linux has hit the current top-spot, followed by Manjaro and Mint. I've yet to try MX Linux.

Another I was reading a review on was Peppermint 10, which I plan to try asap. It's Lubuntu based, lightweight, therefore easy on system resources, and claimed to be lightning fast. Should be interesting, especially as I wish to try it out on some early MacBooks which are often capricious.

Agree about SSD's. Together with 8Gb RAM they make my 2010 MacBook 'fly'.:)

Im still using a early 2008 mbp and putting a ssd in that made hell of a difference, until I sold it my MP 3.1 I had ssd's in raid 1 "Mirrored" config which bolstered boot times even more.

Tweedpipe Oct 15th 2019 4:59 pm

Re: Linux - Installing & using
 
Someone was asking a short while ago about the program 'Wine' for running windows on other platforms such as Linux.
I've just been reading that several Linux distros now support wine, one such being MX Linux.
This mid-weight Linux system, according to the geeks is currently proving to be the most popular in terms of number of downloads, and especially ease/satisfaction of use. It also has a very impressive number of features and packages 'out-of-the-box'. 18.3 is the latest stable distribution release. I plan to give it a trial over the next few days on a Lenova ThinkPad X230, and I'll report back on my findings.
I also found THIS related Linux/Wine link whilst browsing, maybe interesting to some, although I'd never opt to run Windows on a Linux machine, I understand why many would want to.

caretaker Oct 15th 2019 5:20 pm

Re: Linux - Installing & using
 

Originally Posted by Tweedpipe (Post 12748824)
Someone was asking a short while ago about the program 'Wine' for running windows on other platforms such as Linux.
I've just been reading that several Linux distros now support wine, one such being MX Linux.
This mid-weight Linux system, according to the geeks is currently proving to be the most popular in terms of number of downloads, and especially ease/satisfaction of use. It also has a very impressive number of features and packages 'out-of-the-box'. 18.3 is the latest stable distribution release. I plan to give it a trial over the next few days on a Lenova ThinkPad X230, and I'll report back on my findings.
I also found THIS related Linux/Wine link whilst browsing, maybe interesting to some, although I'd never opt to run Windows on a Linux machine, I understand why many would want to.

That was me; the NVMS7000 security cameras at work don't like Linux, so I was going to either try to use WINE to fool it into thinking I was Windows, or maybe try a link my friend had for downloading Windows 8 and see if it would work on that. I'll go get my X230 out of the basement and charge it up, and later look for a download for MX. I've been using 16.04; not the latest but a system I like. I bookmarked the link, thanks for posting.


BuckinghamshireBoy Oct 21st 2019 2:11 pm

Re: Linux - Installing & using
 
Over the weekend I finally located an HP power supply which should be for the old Vista laptop. Before giving that a go, I've just spent an hour getting a bootable USB copy of Mint going, fired it up on my HP Envy laptop, and here we are, my first post using Linux and Firefox. Ad free as well.

Now to see if I can achieve the same with the old HP, not even sure if that has wifi, it's that old...

Hasta la vista (as it were) ;)

caretaker Oct 21st 2019 2:20 pm

Re: Linux - Installing & using
 

Originally Posted by BuckinghamshireBoy (Post 12751901)
Hasta la vista (as it were) ;)

You should be fine.
The only thing I'm using Windows for... actually, I take the stickers off once I install Linux, and use them to decorate my vaporizers.
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