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Tweedpipe Aug 16th 2018 4:18 pm

Linux - Installing & using
 
I was just about to add a few comments on the current Win 10 upgrade thread, but thought it may be more suitable to start a new one on Linux.
Firstly I totally agree with BuckinghamshireBoy's favourable comments about Linux Mint in the Win 10 upgrade thread. A few days ago I downloaded and did a clean install of the latest Mint 19 'Tara' on a newly purchased SSD just installed inside a far from new Lenova Thinkpad. It is indeed lightning fast, and I love it. Plan to try out a few other Linux distros later today.

Now picking up on the mrken30 comment, "Linux does not have a good upgrade system. Wipe and install is not the best approach for me."
It sounds you may need (and like) something like Manjaro, which as far as I can understand from DistroWatch.com uses a rolling release model, whereby rather than being replaced, the same core system will instead be continually updated & upgraded.
In addition I note that Manjaro has reached the No. 1 slot in the top 100 distro listing, so I thought - probably well worth trying! (Linux Mint incidently is at the No.2 spot).
I've just downloaded the Manjaro ISO file linked from the DistroWatch site and made a bootable USB drive. Later this evening I'll give it a whirl and report back.
It should be noted that I'm quite a novice when it comes to Linux systems, and wanted something that would work 'out of the box' without fiddling and typing sudo commands into terminal that would surely bring on a migraine - at least in these early stages where I'm at the bottom of the Linux learning curve.
It should be interesting to hear other Linux users comments, on high or low-end systems.

BuckinghamshireBoy Aug 16th 2018 4:49 pm

Re: Linux - Installing & using
 
:goodpost:

Agreed, best to start a new thread on this subject.

I'll be quiet for a bit on this one, moving house very soon, so I need to keep what I know intact for the next few weeks.

Wol Aug 17th 2018 9:26 am

Re: Linux - Installing & using
 

Originally Posted by BuckinghamshireBoy (Post 12549373)
:goodpost:

Agreed, best to start a new thread on this subject.

I'll be quiet for a bit on this one, moving house very soon, so I need to keep what I know intact for the next few weeks.

Good luck - doesn't it take ten years off your life? Just like W10 updates (Oops!)

BuckinghamshireBoy Aug 17th 2018 12:19 pm

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Originally Posted by Wol (Post 12549767)
Good luck - doesn't it take ten years off your life?

Which one, moving house or installing Linux? :lol:

Project move is now about 17 months in, but I can see light at the end of the tunnel.

I think. :blink:

I'll be so, so happy to go back to messing with Mint and Ubuntu though. And I'll have a look at Manjaro as mentioned by Tweedpipe.

Chatter Static Aug 18th 2018 2:36 pm

Re: Linux - Installing & using
 

Originally Posted by Tweedpipe (Post 12549355)
I was just about to add a few comments on the current Win 10 upgrade thread, but thought it may be more suitable to start a new one on Linux.
Firstly I totally agree with BuckinghamshireBoy's favourable comments about Linux Mint in the Win 10 upgrade thread. A few days ago I downloaded and did a clean install of the latest Mint 19 'Tara' on a newly purchased SSD just installed inside a far from new Lenova Thinkpad. It is indeed lightning fast, and I love it. Plan to try out a few other Linux distros later today.

Now picking up on the mrken30 comment, "Linux does not have a good upgrade system. Wipe and install is not the best approach for me."
It sounds you may need (and like) something like Manjaro, which as far as I can understand from DistroWatch.com uses a rolling release model, whereby rather than being replaced, the same core system will instead be continually updated & upgraded.
In addition I note that Manjaro has reached the No. 1 slot in the top 100 distro listing, so I thought - probably well worth trying! (Linux Mint incidently is at the No.2 spot).
I've just downloaded the Manjaro ISO file linked from the DistroWatch site and made a bootable USB drive. Later this evening I'll give it a whirl and report back.
It should be noted that I'm quite a novice when it comes to Linux systems, and wanted something that would work 'out of the box' without fiddling and typing sudo commands into terminal that would surely bring on a migraine - at least in these early stages where I'm at the bottom of the Linux learning curve.
It should be interesting to hear other Linux users comments, on high or low-end systems.

Best introduction to Linux you can have is purchase a new Raspberry Pi 3+ and stick either Raspbian or Ubuntu or Mint on it because the support forums for all three are outstanding the credit card sized hardware is more than ample for films music, My personal favourite for the Raspberry Pi and my Ryzen 7 based machine is Retropie emulators for all the 8bit era games Mac included "TP" Basilisk II will run up to OS 8.1

The new Raspberry PI 3+ will also natively boot from USB so you can stick a reasonable sized disk on it for media if you want

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...2f279906f1.jpg
Raspberry Pi with SSD

Tweedpipe Aug 18th 2018 4:12 pm

Re: Linux - Installing & using
 

Originally Posted by Chatter Static (Post 12550476)
Best introduction to Linux you can have is purchase a new Raspberry Pi 3+ and stick either Raspbian or Ubuntu or Mint on it because the support forums for all three are outstanding the credit card sized hardware is more than ample for films music, My personal favourite for the Raspberry Pi and my Ryzen 7 based machine is Retropie emulators for all the 8bit era games Mac included "TP" Basilisk II will run up to OS 8.1

The new Raspberry PI 3+ will also natively boot from USB so you can stick a reasonable sized disk on it for media if you want

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...2f279906f1.jpg
Raspberry Pi with SSD

Hi CS,
I've been tempted several times to go for the latest R. Pi just to mess around with and have fun, but have noted the price of the starter kit with accessories come to around 80euros, (plus one needs a screen) although agreed it's not that expensive, for 80euros ($US90) here I can find a very nice Lenovo *T61 or even T500, both of which are fine machines, and are brilliant with Linux Mint 19 or similar. Granted they're heavier and thus more robust than the Pi, a little like comparing a 2010 Citroen C6 to a new Citroen C1.......;). I know which I'd prefer.
*The T61 incidently was used to Twitter from Space - so that's ok with me!

caretaker Aug 26th 2018 4:23 pm

Re: Linux - Installing & using
 

Originally Posted by Tweedpipe (Post 12550516)
*The T61 incidently was used to Twitter from Space - so that's ok with me!

There has to be a story behind that..... Though I've upgraded umpteen times I still have mine and still like it; if possible I suppose it's got sentimental value.
I've been playing with a pair of T440p running Ubuntu 18.04 instead of the 16.04 I'm used to and it's quite a bit different, and as usual there seem to be pluses and minuses (due to my ignorance mostly). I want to load one of those os on an ssd I have in an enclosure, then with confidence at peak I want to install the 240gb m.2 ssd I bought last week into one of the laptops and experience the blinding speed I've read about (2x as fast as a normal ssd). My friend said it should work better alongside the other drive if I'm using 18.04 so that's what it shall be.

caretaker Aug 27th 2018 12:47 pm

Re: Linux - Installing & using
 
I'm chatting with my techy friend and mentioned that I read the Russian defence ministry OS is based on Linux, and he said:
"Early space station logs, after USA took over the control functions from the original Russian equipment. "Rebooting windows" "Rebooting windows" "Rebooting windows" "Rebooting windows" "Reinstalling Windows" , "Hey look at what the Russian computer can do!!! 3D visuals of earth and a joystick control like flying anywhere! "

BuckinghamshireBoy Oct 4th 2018 4:23 pm

Re: Linux - Installing & using
 
Out of interest, which flavour of desktop do people prefer? I see that both Mint and Manjaro have several to choose from.

BristolUK Oct 4th 2018 5:40 pm

Re: Linux - Installing & using
 
Anything but honey and garlic. ;)

caretaker Oct 4th 2018 5:50 pm

Re: Linux - Installing & using
 
I'm still liking 16.04, seems easier for me than the 18.04 though I admit I don't use that one enough to get good at it. I recently had to use a sudo command to get free VLC media player, so I guess they stopped supporting it on the older system. Other than that I think it's great, very user-friendly.

BuckinghamshireBoy Oct 19th 2018 8:21 pm

Re: Linux - Installing & using
 
Just got Manjaro up Live boot on my Sony Vaio, the new HP Envy wouldn't even see it. :confused:

I've tried both machines with Mint, both see it, but both 'black screen' after a few moments.

The Vaio is up on the network just fine, I was hoping to post this from Manjaro/Firefox, but can't find my password for BE. :o

Very early days yet... ;)

caretaker Oct 19th 2018 8:36 pm

Re: Linux - Installing & using
 

Originally Posted by BuckinghamshireBoy (Post 12580307)
Just got Manjaro up Live boot on my Sony Vaio, the new HP Envy wouldn't even see it. :confused:

How long has Manjaro been around? "Access to the very latest cutting and bleeding edge software"
Now I'm scared of it.

BuckinghamshireBoy Oct 19th 2018 8:38 pm

Re: Linux - Installing & using
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12580316)
How long has Manjaro been around? "Access to the very latest cutting and bleeding edge software"
Now I'm scared of it.

Best that Tweedpipe answers that, I'm a puppy... :blink:

Tweedpipe Oct 19th 2018 11:37 pm

Re: Linux - Installing & using
 

Originally Posted by BuckinghamshireBoy (Post 12580307)
Just got Manjaro up Live boot on my Sony Vaio, the new HP Envy wouldn't even see it. :confused:

I've tried both machines with Mint, both see it, but both 'black screen' after a few moments.

The Vaio is up on the network just fine, I was hoping to post this from Manjaro/Firefox, but can't find my password for BE. :o

Very early days yet... ;)

Just seen this, it's rather late here having just returned home from the launch of a friends new microbrewery, and can't think too straight.
Off the cuff I believe Manjaro has been going for 7+ years, and the latest version 17 requires 1GB+ memory. Did you boot from an iso you downloaded/burned yourself, or from a purchased DVD from a mag? I've found the latter always very reliable. Dowloading and preparing onto a USB thumb drive can be a bit 'iffy'.
Will post later tomorrow when I have a clearer head.


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