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Old Jul 8th 2018, 7:02 pm
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Spent all day trying to resurrect 11 year old computer which just won't turn on. The on/off switch flashes and some movement inside---must be the 'button' at fault.

What is the best budget desk top nowadays? Would be grateful for suggestions!
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Old Jul 12th 2018, 3:59 am
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Originally Posted by Bipat View Post
Spent all day trying to resurrect 11 year old computer which just won't turn on. The on/off switch flashes and some movement inside---must be the 'button' at fault.

What is the best budget desk top nowadays? Would be grateful for suggestions!
Build your own, it's fairly easy to do, Choose your parts according to budget and assemble. It' s not that difficult..
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Old Jul 12th 2018, 6:08 pm
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Originally Posted by johnwoo View Post
Build your own, it's fairly easy to do, Choose your parts according to budget and assemble. It' s not that difficult..
Yes it is. Or it can be for most people.
I've changed a keyboard, replaced RAM, swapped an SSD in for an HD, but some models there's just too much to do for some "simple" things like that let alone from scratch. Unless you mean have someone do it for you, but then you're likely spending more on that service than saving on the "unnecessary" bells and whistles.

If it was a desktop machine I wanted, I'd likely go for a refurbished all in one for about $300-$400 Candaian.
But if it's only the computer needed - happy with monitor and keyboard - then $200-$250.
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Originally Posted by BristolUK View Post
Yes it is. Or it can be for most people.
I've changed a keyboard, replaced RAM, swapped an SSD in for an HD, but some models there's just too much to do for some "simple" things like that let alone from scratch. Unless you mean have someone do it for you, but then you're likely spending more on that service than saving on the "unnecessary" bells and whistles.

If it was a desktop machine I wanted, I'd likely go for a refurbished all in one for about $300-$400 Candaian.
But if it's only the computer needed - happy with monitor and keyboard - then $200-$250.
I've built a succession of Desk Top Computers ever since since the '80s. My first HP desktop was my last.
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Originally Posted by johnwoo View Post
I've built a succession of Desk Top Computers ever since since the '80s.
I don't doubt it and that would be why it comes easy to you. Most people haven't been doing it though, let alone since the 80s.
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Originally Posted by BristolUK View Post
I don't doubt it and that would be why it comes easy to you. Most people haven't been doing it though, let alone since the 80s.
It really isn't that difficult, much like assembling furniture from IKEA, certainly much easier today than it was in the '80s and '90s, a certain amount of mechanical aptitude and a screwdriver is all that is required.

How to.
High end
https://www.newegg.com/pc-build-kits

Budget

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3123449/hardware/cheap-but-good-how-to-build-a-budget-pc-for-under-300.html

Just a sample plenty of info online

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Originally Posted by johnwoo View Post
It really isn't that difficult, much like assembling furniture from IKEA,...
I must admit I didn't expect to be able to some of the stuff I've done over the last few years but starting from scratch would be too much new tricks for this old dog.
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There's also the possibility that some people just can't be arsed to build a computer. It's easy but then so is mowing your yard but some people prefer to just pay someone to do that. When looking at lower end computers I'd just buy pre-built, my time is worth more than the savings, if any, that I'd get from building it. Personally I buy Lenovo desktops for work and they've been relatively trouble free.
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Originally Posted by SpoogleDrummer View Post
There's also the possibility that some people just can't be arsed to build a computer. It's easy but then so is mowing your yard but some people prefer to just pay someone to do that. When looking at lower end computers I'd just buy pre-built, my time is worth more than the savings, if any, that I'd get from building it. Personally I buy Lenovo desktops for work and they've been relatively trouble free.
Very true, some people might want to build there own computer, some people may not. I'm suggesting it is an option.
The main reason I prefer, is I can choose what components I want and how much I want to spend on each, and not a bunch of OEM parts.
Then again I mow my own lawn.
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Originally Posted by johnwoo View Post
Then again I mow my own lawn.
I get my stepson to do mine. It's too much for me.

Do you build your own mower? I suppose there's not much free time what with the film directing and all.
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Originally Posted by BristolUK View Post
I get my stepson to do mine. It's too much for me.

Do you build your own mower? I suppose there's not much free time what with the film directing and all.
I do a lot of things that I can do, but building a lawn mower isn't one of them, I have moved on from a push mower to a power mower..
Film directing is just a side line. I fit it in between mowing the lawn and building computers.
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I for one definitely wouldn't recommend building a computer for Mr Average Joe.
I agree with some of the comments put forward by Johnwoo. Yes it's fairly straight forward for someone who has tinkered with computers in the past, but to say, "much like assembling furniture from IKEA" is imho misleading in the extreme. With the last piece of IKEA furniture I purchased some 7 years ago there certainly wasn't any cooling fan to mount to a processor with the correct amount of thermal paste, figuring out the most suitable cable management/routing, or especially fiddling within the BIOS prior to completing the build.
With a computer build, even the 'experts' can't agree on what is the optimal way to apply thermal paste to a processor - a step which is crucial to ensure optimum cooling and longevity. And what type of paste and exactly what quantity ? Again there is much controversy even amongst the so-called 'experts'.
Of course the aforementioned procedures can easily be found and followed by watching a YTube video, although there are so many which make me cringe as they have alarming misinformation or alleviate some essential detail.
I now pass my leisure time reconditioning laptop computers - especially vintage AppleMacs (that most people - especially professionals don't want to know about), and have amassed a large private collection. I've given away a few to family members, but rare for me to sell any.
@BiPat, the best advise I would give is only build your own desktop computer if it's something you've always wanted to do, and if a novice, be prepared to do a fair amount of serious pre-assembly homework, purchase the components from a known reliable source, and take.... ......your..... time.
It can be very therapeutic (or hair-pulling stressful when difficulties occur). The upsides are you're getting what you really need, and there's a great sense of satisfaction when completed by oneself.
You may wish to look around for a fairly recent, used good condition desktop as they are plentiful. Go for an established make: Lenova, HP etc but if more than 3 years old, ensure that the ventilator(s) is well cleaned out. Simple to do using an Air Duster can.
Let us know how you make out, or what you eventually purchase.

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Originally Posted by Tweedpipe View Post
I for one definitely wouldn't recommend building a computer for Mr Average Joe.
I agree with some of the comments put forward by Johnwoo. Yes it's fairly straight forward for someone who has tinkered with computers in the past, but to say, "much like assembling furniture from IKEA" is imho misleading in the extreme. With the last piece of IKEA furniture I purchased some 7 years ago there certainly wasn't any cooling fan to mount to a processor with the correct amount of thermal paste, figuring out the most suitable cable management/routing, or especially fiddling within the BIOS prior to completing the build.
With a computer build, even the 'experts' can't agree on what is the optimal way to apply thermal paste to a processor - a step which is crucial to ensure optimum cooling and longevity. And what type of paste and exactly what quantity ? Again there is much controversy even amongst the so-called 'experts'.
Of course the aforementioned procedures can easily be found and followed by watching a YTube video, although there are so many which make me cringe as they have alarming misinformation or alleviate some essential detail.
I now pass my leisure time reconditioning laptop computers - especially vintage AppleMacs (that most people - especially professionals don't want to know about), and have amassed a large private collection. I've given away a few to family members, but rare for me to sell any.
@BiPat, the best advise I would give is only build your own desktop computer if it's something you've always wanted to do, and if a novice, be prepared to do a fair amount of serious pre-assembly homework, purchase the components from a known reliable source, and take.... ......your..... time.
It can be very therapeutic (or hair-pulling stressful when difficulties occur). The upsides are you're getting what you really need, and there's a great sense of satisfaction when completed by oneself.
You may wish to look around for a fairly recent, used good condition desktop as they are plentiful. Go for an established make: Lenova, HP etc but if more than 3 years old, ensure that the ventilator(s) is well cleaned out. Simple to do using an Air Duster can.
Let us know how you make out, or what you eventually purchase.
Thanks for all the suggestions.
Getting the back off and investigating what might be the problem (it won't turn on) is as far as my 'building' skills could go! Couldn't find what was wrong sucked out all dust etc. Reconnected everything.
So just ordered a ACER Aspire £299, (£100 off by PC World.)

(Fortunately all important stuff backed up on a LaCie hard disc. Have a small lap top and also tablet which I use when not in UK).

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So just ordered a ACER Aspire £299, (£100 off by PC World.)
Looks good. Faster speed on the HD too.
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Yeah, as an IT professional i'm going to side with Bristol on this one - building your own PC is not for the average person and even then the savings only come into play for high end gaming desktops. A low end tower can be had as a prebuilt for pretty cheap and much less hassle then building your own.

I don't like building them myself because then warranty wise you have to deal with the individual components' manufacturers rather then just ringing up HP or Dell or whoever.
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