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Old Jan 29th 2019, 1:07 pm
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Old Jan 29th 2019, 3:12 pm
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They have been cutting back on the S1 benfits for a while now. I suppose they hope that the expats wil just stay put.
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Old Jan 29th 2019, 3:26 pm
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I think this is poor reporting. The “S1” is a universal product of the EU which we were obliged to accept like every other EU member state. However prior to the EU the UK had bi-lateral agreements with many of these countries, so it may just take a little time to put these back in place. They touch on the subject of previous agreements, but it would not be such a “story” if they were saying “perhaps nothing will change”.
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Old Jan 29th 2019, 3:31 pm
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There is a man leading the way in Devon who is pulling his own teeth out. That could be an economical solution for cash strapped pensioners.
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Old Jan 29th 2019, 4:08 pm
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Bravo Geordie. Appalling reporting. Turn it around. Maybe as many as 500,000 ItalIan’s in the UK would not have access to the NHS. Not very likely methinks.
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The Guardian is rather a dreadful publication and fanatically biased towards the scaremongering side of things which isn't exactly constructive for any of us. However, a quick search found this..

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...no-brexit-deal

although, not being resident in Italy I have no knowledge of how residency or lack of it affects the right to healthcare and medical treatment. Maybe someone else can elaborate...
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The UK govt wasnt obliged to accept the S1 - it voted for it, as it makes perfect sense not to have your OAP citizens traipse across Europe to have surgery when they're already ill. The default position will be life saving surgery only and/or private health care/insurance, as it used to be.
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Brexit has to bring some savings but lets hope Geordieborn is correct. Does the USA pay for its expat oap healthcare or do they have to use insurance companies?
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Originally Posted by Jake.White
The Guardian is rather a dreadful publication and fanatically biased towards the scaremongering side of things which isn't exactly constructive for any of us. However, a quick search found this..

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...no-brexit-deal

although, not being resident in Italy I have no knowledge of how residency or lack of it affects the right to healthcare and medical treatment. Maybe someone else can elaborate...
I think this what matters to many of us here.

My layman's view is that there are two categories who should be safe, as follows:
  1. Those working (and paying contributions) - provided there are no obstacles to continuing their work, I would imagine they will be able to continue within the SSN as before (not least because that is the situation of a citizen of any other 3rd country)
  2. Those who have been resident for more than 5 years and have both enrolled into the SSN and got a Certidficate of Permanent Residency - I can't imagine a scenario in which they would be affected.
Outside of these two categories, I don't think anyone can be sure of anything yet.

Any other thoughts?
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I think this what matters to many of us here.

My layman's view is that there are two categories who should be safe, as follows:
  1. Those working (and paying contributions) - provided there are no obstacles to continuing their work, I would imagine they will be able to continue within the SSN as before (not least because that is the situation of a citizen of any other 3rd country)
  2. Those who have been resident for more than 5 years and have both enrolled into the SSN and got a Certidficate of Permanent Residency - I can't imagine a scenario in which they would be affected.
Outside of these two categories, I don't think anyone can be sure of anything yet.


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Yes, the Guardian, BBC, and many Italian TV stations are embarking on the usual misinformation scaremongering.
There are many reciprocal health and other agreements in place that precede the Common Market by decades.
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Yes, the Guardian, BBC, and many Italian TV stations are embarking on the usual misinformation scaremongering.
There are many reciprocal health and other agreements in place that precede the Common Market by decades.
Never forget that the media are there for money (be it physical papers, clicks, viewing figures or whatever, they are SELLING thermselves). And no news or good news doesn't usually do the job for them-
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Old Feb 2nd 2019, 4:15 pm
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Originally Posted by ononno
Yes, the Guardian, BBC, and many Italian TV stations are embarking on the usual misinformation scaremongering.
There are many reciprocal health and other agreements in place that precede the Common Market by decades.
This is all very well but for the last 40 years things have been done differently and in the intervening period plenty of things have changed.
So there are no "reciprocal health and other agreements in place", they've been replaced by the arrangements provided by EU integration. As it stands, there is nothing to replace those EU arrangements on March 29th. I'm sure other things can be put in place but it will take time and political will. For people working, I imagine at the very least you'd be eligible for a permesso di soggiorno. For anyone not working, the situtation is considerably cloudier and we're under 8 weeks away from it happening.

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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/n...Vn-_JtvHfgvMeE

is a bit brighter
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