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philat98 May 29th 2025 9:48 pm

Trouble with the Fisco
 
I had a strange letter from the tax people saying that I have money in several UK bank accounts that I have never heard of.
Has anyone come across this issue?
How do you prove to the Fisco that an accounts is not yours?




Geordieborn May 29th 2025 10:24 pm

Re: Trouble with the Fisco
 
Sounds very worrying, but perhaps just poor name matching on their part? To be honest I'm not too sure how I would do that here in the UK let alone with the Italian authorities. What originally came to mind was scam (not from them really), phishing on their part or more worrying there are accounts in your name (details) being used for illegal purposes ! More generally, I worry about this country and our sleep walking into a security nightmare with the amount of secure information they are requesting for both important and non-important reasons.

philat98 May 29th 2025 11:04 pm

Re: Trouble with the Fisco
 

Originally Posted by Geordieborn (Post 13313141)
Sounds very worrying, but perhaps just poor name matching on their part? To be honest I'm not too sure how I would do that here in the UK let alone with the Italian authorities. What originally came to mind was scam (not from them really), phishing on their part or more worrying there are accounts in your name (details) being used for illegal purposes ! More generally, I worry about this country and our sleep walking into a security nightmare with the amount of secure information they are requesting for both important and non-important reasons.

My accountant said most of her customers had received a similar letter. It could be phishing by the Fisco as you say. I cannot see why anyone would open UK accounts in my name.
The accounts are all with an unknown bank called Gary Stadele.

Pollyana May 30th 2025 12:26 am

Re: Trouble with the Fisco
 

Originally Posted by philat98 (Post 13313145)
My accountant said most of her customers had received a similar letter. It could be phishing by the Fisco as you say. I cannot see why anyone would open UK accounts in my name.
The accounts are all with an unknown bank called Gary Stadele.

Is it possible that its not phishing by Fisco, but by someone purporting to be Fisco, as the bank doesn't appear to exist?!

Geordieborn May 30th 2025 1:25 am

Re: Trouble with the Fisco
 
Looking at warnings being made in this country about money laundering, I suspect it's the latest big crime on the rise. The name "Gary Stadele" is not too common and comes up with a few results relating to finance, Glasgow and companies. Strange to be linked to a bank, but it all seems a little odd.

philat98 May 30th 2025 2:41 am

Re: Trouble with the Fisco
 

Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 13313152)
Is it possible that its not phishing by Fisco, but by someone purporting to be Fisco, as the bank doesn't appear to exist?!

No it is on the national tax database.

modicasa May 30th 2025 4:22 pm

Re: Trouble with the Fisco
 
When you say Fisco do you mean the Agenzia delle Entrate? I cant find any bank with that name, which would be a daft name for a bank anyway.

philat98 May 30th 2025 7:29 pm

Re: Trouble with the Fisco
 

Originally Posted by modicasa (Post 13313227)
When you say Fisco do you mean the Agenzia delle Entrate? I cant find any bank with that name, which would be a daft name for a bank anyway.

They have been supplied account details from the UK. That bank doesnt exist.. They are quite threatening and unhelpful.

modicasa May 31st 2025 4:31 pm

Re: Trouble with the Fisco
 
If you mean the Agenzia delle Entrate, then logging on to the site you can see if they're going after you. Otherwise Id bin it.

daniel_t May 31st 2025 7:59 pm

Re: Trouble with the Fisco
 

Originally Posted by philat98 (Post 13313230)
They have been supplied account details from the UK. That bank doesnt exist.. They are quite threatening and unhelpful.

Sounds like a scam to me. I think you can also book an appointment with the local AdE office - in person, over the telephone or video call. (I doubt most Italians working in public offices know how to switch on their webcam or microphone, let alone handling a video call.)

philat98 May 31st 2025 8:37 pm

Re: Trouble with the Fisco
 

Originally Posted by modicasa (Post 13313314)
If you mean the Agenzia delle Entrate, then logging on to the site you can see if they're going after you. Otherwise Id bin it.

The information came from the AdE in Rome and is on their website.
The worrying thing is that it is very difficult to argue with the AdE. If they say you have something then they will tax you regardless.



37100 Jun 1st 2025 5:52 am

Re: Trouble with the Fisco
 

Originally Posted by philat98 (Post 13313323)
The information came from the AdE in Rome and is on their website.
The worrying thing is that it is very difficult to argue with the AdE. If they say you have something then they will tax you regardless.

Not true. We contested a 'cartella' and it was reduced to 40c. ( which then cost us a lot more to pay than the 40c).
It's not clear if the OP received a simple letter or a dreaded green one. If green, he needs to act.

modicasa Jun 1st 2025 4:12 pm

Re: Trouble with the Fisco
 
So if thats the case then someone is using your NI number in the UK? Is that possible? That could be the only way they could match you up?

Lorna at Vicenza Jun 1st 2025 6:46 pm

Re: Trouble with the Fisco
 

Originally Posted by philat98 (Post 13313323)
The information came from the AdE in Rome and is on their website.
The worrying thing is that it is very difficult to argue with the AdE. If they say you have something then they will tax you regardless.

This is a very recent warning about scams pretending to come from the Agenzia di Entrate - it talks about emails but I suppose there could be letters as well.

https://www.agenziaentrateriscossion...-e-mail-00001/

Lorna at Vicenza Jun 1st 2025 6:50 pm

Re: Trouble with the Fisco
 

Originally Posted by philat98 (Post 13313323)
The information came from the AdE in Rome and is on their website.
The worrying thing is that it is very difficult to argue with the AdE. If they say you have something then they will tax you regardless.


OMG! There are dozens of warnings.
https://www.agenziaentrate.gov.it/po...pprofondimenti


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