Sancho

I wonder if anyone else has read this. Everyone ?

https://unherd.com/2021/09/italys-cy...ine-passports/

P.S. The only Agamben I know of wrote about Ettore Majorana. Don't know if this is the same person/

Lorna at Vicenza

Just read it now using your link. I wonder if anything will change before October 15th? If it doesn't, I know quite a few people that will be getting suspended from their jobs.

Geordieborn

.... and that is when it will come unstuck!

offthepiste

Hah ... down another rabbit hole.

There are at least two extremes ... the left ... and the right ... but topologically speaking they sort of meet behind the scenes...

On the left ... ta da .. are those websites and other streams of social media ... sponsored by that dick dastardly Madame Putain (my best joke yet to a French security agent outside the Elysee when aformentioned body part visited... he fell about laughing.. ) anyway .. who if you track down the underlying UK company via Companires House .. you will find is owned by a Russian .. with ties to you know who...

On the right... you guessed it ... a similar bunch of miscreants who have such companies as the 'museum of Communist terror' etc etc. and lo and behold also own unheard limited who publish the "article" regarding the covid passport.. another dastardly plot ... help oh help we are dooooomed . But don't panic captain manuring!!!!

Lorna at Vicenza

And so it begins. A lady I know works for a Cooperativa. They have the village cleaning contract. She's hired as a cleaner. Sometimes she cleans the comune, sometimes the library. She usually works alone after working normal daily hours. She has been given a week to decide if she's going to get vaccinated or not and told that if she doesn't, she'll be 'lasciato a casa'.

Plan B

Sounds reasonable.

Lorna at Vicenza

I don't think it does. I'm not pro vax or anti-vax but I think people should be allowed to choose. Why should this lady that I know be forced into a position that she doesn't want to? Why does somebody else get to choose over her?

dmu

As said in the report, France has a similar scheme. The Pass Sanitaire states "or a negative Test done within 72 hours", so one way to keep a job (and be able to enter public places) is to have a twice-weekly antigen test - not pleasant, but only temporarily until the rules change.

Geordieborn

I totally agree with Lorna.... Pro vaccine, but compulsory - no ! ‘Get out and get another job’ Sajid Javid said - vitriol remarks like this have no place and don't work.

Plan B

If someone chooses to not have the anti-covid vaccination then it is not unreasonable for the remainder of society to expect that the non-vaccinated person’s movement within a society is to some extent restricted. The majority of covid patients in intensive care have not been vaccinated. They cause a drain on scarce hospital staff and resources which have been diverted away from the treatment of many other ailments as a result – as the longer waiting times for other chronic and acute treatments attest. The 70%+ that have been vaccinated expect to be able to resume as normal a life as possible – going to work, to school, seeing family again. Yet those that have been vaccinated can still be subject to a milder bout of covid which could at least require them quarantining again.

There may be sound medical reasons for a few people with certain underlying conditions for whom an anti-covid vaccination is not advisable, but for those that choose not be vaccinated either for selfish reasons or stupidity then I believe that it is reasonable for the vaccinated majority to expect to be protected from the unvaccinated wherever possible.

I’ve no doubt this will cause anger amongst some.

Geordieborn

No one has a clue as to the impact of the vaccine on us long term, it's not stupidity, it is a concern some will have and should be dealt with better. Johnson told us all Covid was like mild flu, now that was stupid !

clint

[QUOTE=Lorna at Vicenza;13057740]I don't think it does. I'm not pro vax or anti-vax but I think people should be allowed to choose. Why should this lady that I know be forced into a position that she doesn't want to? Why does somebody else get to choose over her?[/QUOTE

If she doesn't want to be vaccinated then she has the option of doing a test (extended from 48h to 72h) every 3 days and keep her job

SanNico

[QUOTE=clint;13057906] That's correct, we have a few people at work in a similar position. I went to the office for the first time in ages last week and the measures being taken are out of this world. Green Pass / Covid passport checks, daily seating plans to avoid high occupancy and mobile phone apps to support them.

As a semi aside, I took a few flights last week and I'm tempted to get a green pass / covid passport tattoo. Checks to pass security, enter the lounges, enter the restaurants, in the boarding queue and finally at the boarding desk. Surely once checked at security you should be in the clear. On the other hand, I was never asked for it outside of the airport in restaurants, neither the PLF or passport were requested upon arrival at Bari airport and the Italian system didn't recognise my Covid passport issued in another EU country. They just look at the QR code to see it's not Italian and press something on their tablet.

Lorna at Vicenza

If she doesn't want to be vaccinated then she has the option of doing a test (extended from 48h to 72h) every 3 days and keep her job[/QUOTE]

This is of course true, but the cost of the tests will start eating into her meagre earnings.

dmu

This is of course true, but the cost of the tests will start eating into her meagre earnings.[/QUOTE]

I believe that, unless they're prescribed by the G.P., the tests will stop being free in France this month. Which is one way of encouraging recalcitrant people to get vaccinated.
If the tests aren't free in Italy, I'm afraid that, like many others, your acquaintance must decide between the lesser of the two "evils"....
P.S. Something wrong with the quotes!