Residency: get it before 29 March! URGENT
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I was checking through my various permits health documents and they all have wording that includes citizen of the EU. You could imagine that if relations with the UK and Italy became more like France and Italy then the situation for UK citizens could be more precarious. There are a lot of Italian workers in the UK and the Italian government will want to protect them.
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Re: Residency: get it before 29 March! URGENT
A new question:
With all the talk about a possible (or likely) no-deal Brexit I often see references to the NHS paying for treatment for UK pensioners in Italy and what problems may arise for them.
However, I am a UK citizen but have been enrolled for years as a taxpayer in Italy and therefore enrolled with the Italian health service. For the last few years I've been receiving a pension made up of a part from INPS and a part from the DWP (on which I pay taxes to the Italian government), supplemented by some translation work, on which I again pay taxes plus INPS to the Italian government. So in my dealings with the Italian Health Service there's no connection with the British NHS. There must be lot of people in a similar position, but I never see any mention of them in the discussions on Brexit.
I've assumed that there would be no change in my position. Am I being complacent????
With all the talk about a possible (or likely) no-deal Brexit I often see references to the NHS paying for treatment for UK pensioners in Italy and what problems may arise for them.
However, I am a UK citizen but have been enrolled for years as a taxpayer in Italy and therefore enrolled with the Italian health service. For the last few years I've been receiving a pension made up of a part from INPS and a part from the DWP (on which I pay taxes to the Italian government), supplemented by some translation work, on which I again pay taxes plus INPS to the Italian government. So in my dealings with the Italian Health Service there's no connection with the British NHS. There must be lot of people in a similar position, but I never see any mention of them in the discussions on Brexit.
I've assumed that there would be no change in my position. Am I being complacent????
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A new question:
With all the talk about a possible (or likely) no-deal Brexit I often see references to the NHS paying for treatment for UK pensioners in Italy and what problems may arise for them.
However, I am a UK citizen but have been enrolled for years as a taxpayer in Italy and therefore enrolled with the Italian health service. For the last few years I've been receiving a pension made up of a part from INPS and a part from the DWP (on which I pay taxes to the Italian government), supplemented by some translation work, on which I again pay taxes plus INPS to the Italian government. So in my dealings with the Italian Health Service there's no connection with the British NHS. There must be lot of people in a similar position, but I never see any mention of them in the discussions on Brexit.
I've assumed that there would be no change in my position. Am I being complacent????
With all the talk about a possible (or likely) no-deal Brexit I often see references to the NHS paying for treatment for UK pensioners in Italy and what problems may arise for them.
However, I am a UK citizen but have been enrolled for years as a taxpayer in Italy and therefore enrolled with the Italian health service. For the last few years I've been receiving a pension made up of a part from INPS and a part from the DWP (on which I pay taxes to the Italian government), supplemented by some translation work, on which I again pay taxes plus INPS to the Italian government. So in my dealings with the Italian Health Service there's no connection with the British NHS. There must be lot of people in a similar position, but I never see any mention of them in the discussions on Brexit.
I've assumed that there would be no change in my position. Am I being complacent????
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The €5.000 refers, I think, to "prestazioni occasionali".
Getting a permesso di soggiorno is likely to be an administrative hassle I could do without, especially seeing as I am freelance so can't produce a contratto di lavoro. I'm told that renewing a permesso takes a good 4-5 months each year, not sure what the impact would be on travel during that time.
Getting a permesso di soggiorno is likely to be an administrative hassle I could do without, especially seeing as I am freelance so can't produce a contratto di lavoro. I'm told that renewing a permesso takes a good 4-5 months each year, not sure what the impact would be on travel during that time.
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Thanks for the info!
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Reopening the thread...
Back in March there was some discussion about how EU nationals are treated in Britain. Well, just before Euro-election day a real piece of nastiness came to light. EU non-Brits, in order to vote in the UK, had to fill in a form declaring that they would not be voting in their own country (i.e. not voting twice). These forms were sent to their addresses, to be filled in and returned. But because it was decided only in the last few weeks that Britain would be taking part in the European election, many didn't receive these forms in time, or couldn't send them back in time. When they went to vote they found their names had been crossed off the list.
This problem had been predicted and MPs of all parties except the Tories said the forms should be made available in the polling stations. The Tories did nothing about it and when pressed they said it was up to local councils to do this work. Well, devolving the job to local councils is all right but it's still up to the government to oversee and make sure it's done properly.
But an easier solution would have been to say the forms weren't required.
Possible? Yes! I voted in the Italian EU elections on the Sunday. No one this time or previous times asked me to sign any such form and no one looked on me with suspicion as I entered the polling station. So the whole question of form-signing was a piece of blatant discrimination against non-UK citizens. Hundreds, maybe thousands, were prevented from voting in this way and there's going to be legal action over it.
Also many UK citizens resident in other EU countries were penalised because the postal vote was subject to delays.
Another point: it can happen also to UK nationals to be registered in more than one place in the UK. Of course people are warned that voting twice is an offence but no one makes them sign forms to declare that they won't do it. Anyway, if a person is dishonest enough to vote twice, they'll also be dishonest enough to make a false declaration...
Back in March there was some discussion about how EU nationals are treated in Britain. Well, just before Euro-election day a real piece of nastiness came to light. EU non-Brits, in order to vote in the UK, had to fill in a form declaring that they would not be voting in their own country (i.e. not voting twice). These forms were sent to their addresses, to be filled in and returned. But because it was decided only in the last few weeks that Britain would be taking part in the European election, many didn't receive these forms in time, or couldn't send them back in time. When they went to vote they found their names had been crossed off the list.
This problem had been predicted and MPs of all parties except the Tories said the forms should be made available in the polling stations. The Tories did nothing about it and when pressed they said it was up to local councils to do this work. Well, devolving the job to local councils is all right but it's still up to the government to oversee and make sure it's done properly.
But an easier solution would have been to say the forms weren't required.
Possible? Yes! I voted in the Italian EU elections on the Sunday. No one this time or previous times asked me to sign any such form and no one looked on me with suspicion as I entered the polling station. So the whole question of form-signing was a piece of blatant discrimination against non-UK citizens. Hundreds, maybe thousands, were prevented from voting in this way and there's going to be legal action over it.
Also many UK citizens resident in other EU countries were penalised because the postal vote was subject to delays.
Another point: it can happen also to UK nationals to be registered in more than one place in the UK. Of course people are warned that voting twice is an offence but no one makes them sign forms to declare that they won't do it. Anyway, if a person is dishonest enough to vote twice, they'll also be dishonest enough to make a false declaration...
Last edited by jonwel; May 28th 2019 at 10:35 am.
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I like Goves' plan to give British Citizenship to Italians living in the UK. That might be helpful for UK citizens in Italy after Salvini is elected PM.
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Hmm... Yes, but I'm afraid the more reasonable his proposal, the less likely he is to become leader of the Party of Unreason!
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You can bet there will be an election soon now that he can get rid of 5star. At least he hasn't got much support from the Vatican.I can see him making life difficult for foreign residents. He is not keen to follow EU rules either.