heritagestanley

Austria grants citizenship to the descendants of people who lost it as a result of Nazi persecution, and allows them dual citizenship. There are quite a few of us around!

mah88

Jealous?

philat98

A lot of Brits wouldn't mind an EU passport.

mah88

I know. I've had a few people tell me how lucky I am with thinly-veiled bitterness.

tpw21

If you’ve got no employment history of teaching English, you’re probably looking at earning €1200 net at the most. It’ll be less the further south you go, probably around €900-€1000. For the first few years you’ll probably only get a 9 month contract as well.
Unless you’re particularly savvy, it’s not a good choice for a long term career here.

mah88

I have 3 years' online teaching experience, but 1200-1400 is what I keep getting offered. Joke of a salary. I know it's Italy, but I know people can earn a decent salary in the north. What's the point of having done a degree and a CELTA to be paid a pittance?

tpw21

I agree 100% and would strongly advise against it as a career unless you’re able to work for yourself and can get contracts with companies and schools directly. Saying that though, €1,400 net isn’t far off the average Italian salary, from what I’m aware.

Thairetired2016

No, I'm not jealous. I hold an EU p.port. But I do know how strict Austria is re dual citizenship. Or how tough rules are to obtain it. Ask a Brit who applied for it due to Brexit.

mah88

Just reviving this thread, I was looking at the following cities recently: Genoa, Rome, Naples and Bari. In terms of employment prospects (from best to worst), I assume it goes something like this? :
1. Rome
2. Genoa
3. Naples
4. Bari

Any thoughts?

I was looking at these cities as they all have pretty mild temperatures in winter, but of course, there are drawbacks to each:
Rome - chaotic
Genoa - rains a lot
Naples - dangerous, strong earthquakes
Bari - poor city - prospects wouldn't be great if I raised my kids there

daniel_t

I guess it depends on what you do for a living. Generally speaking, there should be more opportunities in Rome compared to other cities.

Rome can be chaotic for people - including me - who grew up in better countries with law and order.

I've never been south of Rome though, so I'm afraid I can't tell you much about it but I'm sure others here can help!

C.2s

Hmmm, yeah Mah88, I think that you have sort of got things right. But that's only based on what other people have said to me about those places...
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​​​It's going to be difficult to find anyone who really has a sufficient knowledge of all 4 cities in order to rank them against each other.

Instead of people giving you their subjective views about which city they prefer it might be better to turn things around and ask you why those cities? After all , all of them are relatively poor, chaotic etc etc when compared to say Turin or Florence (or places in other European countries!).

tpw21

Napoli is no more dangerous than any other major European city.

philat98

From a list of the best towns to live in Italy Naples comes out as almost the worst.
Genova 49
Rome 53
Bari 80
Naples 104
https://www.money.it/citta-italiane-...ita-della-vita

daniel_t

Yes, I've heard there are no-go areas in Naples - gun crimes and violence are rife.

If you're raising kids in Italy, the state education system here is regarded as more robust than the independent schools. This is the exact opposite of the UK. Having said that, according to an OCED report in 2019, the problem-solving skills and academic achievements among 18-year-old Italian school leavers were still lagging behind their peers in the UK, the Netherlands and Germany. I can't remember the exact figures but it was something equivalent to 14 or 15 years old in these northern European countries.

There are international schools in Rome and Milan. The British ones follow the national curriculum of England and Wales.

None of the Italian universities have ever made it to the top 50 globally. The quality of many lecturers and professors in Italy leaves something to be desired. You scratch my back and I scratch yours - you get the idea of how those t*ats got their job.

daniel_t

Erratum: None of the Italian universities have ever made it to the top 100 globally.

Rankings are rankings. Take them with a pinch of salt.


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